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So I am about to order my gear for my next cycle and was wondering what you guys think would be a better lean bulk.
300mg Test E 1-12 weeks
500mg Deca 1-12 weeks
300mg Test E 1-12 weeks
900mg Primo E 1-12 weeks
I’ve done pretty much every AAS besides primo so I was wanting to give it a go but heard it’s not really a bulker?
The only real difference between steroids used for bulking and those used for cutting is some drugs are "dry" compounds and give you a dry and hard look which is conducive to cutting as you lose water and look leaner (given that your bf is low enough to actually see the muscle), and others are "wet" compounds because they aromatize to a high degree and the extra estrogen causes water retention which is conducive to bulking..
Having said that, the main contributing factor to whether you bulk or cut is going to be your diet. The drugs will accentuate the diet you choose but will not, on their own (without the food and training to drive results), make you gain or lose weight (with the exception of some water weight due to retention).
I'm just finishing a small run with primo and the results were phenomenal. It keeps you nice and full while in a caloric deficit and, more importantly, inhibits muscle loss while restricting calories. It does this incredibly well and as I got leaner my muscles developed a very aesthetically pleasing look with dryness and striations. So, in short, it's an amazing drug but to get the most value out of it one must be lean. I feel like there are better compounds for putting on shear mass if you're bulking, plus I don't see the point in using such an expensive drug when you're not going to be able to enjoy the full visual effects it provides.
Deca for the win. But be sure to run the test about two weeks longer so increase your test run to 14 weeks.
If your main goal is to bulk, run Deca. I normally run Test only for 2 weeks before I start the 12 wk Test+Deca cycle. Then I run Test only for 1 week when my Test+Deca cycle is over. 15 weeks of Test is a little long than usual but I haven't seen terrible sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Frenchie
I don’t understand the reasoning for running test 2 weeks before deca and 1 week after. I don’t PCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
Deca is a long running ester, and shuts you down rather hard once u start taking it. By starting your test ahead of time, you will have enough test circulating in your system by the time you take your first deca shot and it gets going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Frenchie
Then toward the end of the cycle, the deca will remain active in your system for some time after your last shot, hence continue to supress your natural production. So you continue to utilize test to keep your levels up or stable until enough of the deca has left your system and you can start a pct. I actually usually keep on test for 3-4 wks post deca but i dont mind running rather long cycles
So the assumption is you're on TRT. If so, the logic above does not apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Frenchie
ive done 2 NPP 8 week runs. Never actually used deca, don’t know why anyone still does. Biut I’m 5’11 210lbs 12% Trying to get to 220lbs. Which one is better for appetite?
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Originally Posted by Iron Frenchie
I love deca. Don't knock the long ester till you try it!
You can gain size with PRIMO but the downfall is its an expensive item.
For bulking and keeping your bank account in order, I would choose the DECA in this situation.
I plan to brew it up so about 1/4th the price your thinking. I really don’t think that many people have tried it around 800mg-1000mg due to it being to expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALIN
Eq for bulking IMO. I don't know about you but for me the hardest part of bulking is eating all that damn food lol! I love to eat but damn, once you have some muscle mass it's crazy how much food we gotta eat to grow. And I was having a lot of difficulty until I started running EQ. Once the EQ kicked in I could feel a very noticeable increase in appetite and eating is more pleasurable as well so it's been much easier for me to eat enough food everyday to grow.
I loved high dose Primo, quality gains, minimal water retention, hard look, keepable mass and no side effects. Most people that talk about Primo never actually ran the compound or at a high enough dose for a long enough period.....
I agree MACK as you know I also love primo but for the specific purpose of bulking I don't feel it's the best drug. We're pretty lean so we got to enjoy the full benefits of the drug. BUT then again primo was Arnold's absolute favorite drug so I'm assuming he ran it while bulking too. For me, though, if I'm gonna spend the money on real primo I wanna actually see the look it's giving me cause primo makes you look amazing but if body fat is a bit higher and the muscle is covered with fat then it's not worth it IMO.
Tren is good for bulking too...
I’ve only tried to bulk on Tren. I end up getting small on Tren. I don’t eat and stay awake like a tweaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex