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Hello guys, i'm going to implement T3 in my bulk cycle with Test E 300mg and 500mg Deca at week. I've read different opinions it about and the Austinite protocol on this forum. There are folks which told to avoid it in bulking and other ones which advice it for having better lean gain during a cycle.
What are your suggestions ? Any tips it about ?
Thank you.
You never said why you are doing that. Running T3 will make you burn more calories throughout the day which is counter productive to bulking. What are you trying to accomplish?
It's reported is often used to keep body fat increasing at minimum in bulking, controlling your diet of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer
I'm calling fake newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
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Ive always though of body fat increasing as a matter of excess calories. T3 would cut down excess calories because you are burning more calories, I would think you would just be better off keeping your diet in check and maintaining the same calorie surplus you would if you were on t3. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong
Post your meal plan with macros........
I'm interested about general concept if T3 could be useful at the lowest dosage ( ~25mcg/DAY) in bulking in a cycle to promote a better lean mass gain without and excess BF gain. If as general concept T3 could be productively implemented in this scenario or not. it's pointless posting my detailed macros, because it's enough to say it's above ~500 kcal over my TDEE with 60/25/15.
Why do you think it's pointless to post your meal plan? Nobody has a perfect diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
What are the matters because T3 could be efficient or not other than ones having a diet plain in surplus in bulking ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
I said: above ~500 kcal over my TDEE with 60/25/15.
When you bulk, you need lots of carbs. You'll gain a little fat along with lots of muscles, that's to be expected. When you take T3 you body increase in metabolism and will burn both fat and muscle. Because you're on cycle the Test will help retain as much muscle as possible. At 25mcg/ed the fat cutting will not be earth shaking. I don't see anything wrong with taking T3 at that dose to keep down fat during bulking. I personally don't use T3 during bulking. I use cardio to keep fat down.
Oh my goodness can the man get an answer to his question lol?
No, I do not see the benefit of using t3 while bulking, unless you're on high doses of tren as tren will decrease thyroid hormone production, but even then the benefit would be more for energy so you don't feel lethargic and not to minimize fat gain as most people won't gain any fat on tren anyway (unless their diet is absolute shit).
With your diet I don't see the benefit as you shouldn't put on too much fat in a 500 surplus. I'm assuming the pic in your avy is you, and if that's the case you have plenty of muscle mass to burn up extra calories to prevent too much fat gain in a bulk. Plus IMO it's not worth inhibiting endo production of t4 for the minimal effects you may see. Better to save t3 for the end of a cut to get rid of that remaining stubborn body fat.
The gear alone with it's nutrient partitioning affects and also the binding that occurs at the beta 2 fat cells I wouldn't be too concerned with gaining fat, and IF you do start gaining too much body fat on your bulk then just add some cardio 3 times a week (I prefer to increase activity than to lower food intake as you will stay fuller that way).
Hope this answers your question!
Ohhhhh, that's what i expected to read ! Thank you so much ( and ScotchGuard too ! ) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMindz
Haha anytime brother good luck with your cycle.
if you ignore the most important part of bodybuilding then you will never maximize your potential and all the hard work you put it. You may not get a response you are looking for but it may lead to you being a better you......IMHO.
I do not ignore nothing. I asked a question to know the principles lie behing it the T3 dynamics and its physiological influence in bulking ( surplus ) or in cutting ( deficit ). It would have been enough reply as the others did, without asking peripheral aspects which take too much distance from the basilar principles i was interested of. Look my avatar ... do you really think i ignore the basilar BB principles ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MACKATTACK
Have a good day my friend.
You definitely ignored that gyno it seems that you have.......
1- What does it mean with T3 that ???Quote:
Originally Posted by MACKATTACK
2 - You definitely ignore what is PSEUDO-gynecomastia.
Spend your time to better things, listen to me. You just have dirty a thread with nonsenses. Go ahead.
T2 can be used in bulking.
Here is a long, in depth, plenty of science and research included article ALL ABOUT EVERYTHING t3.
https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/247418-nwos-t3-faq/
enjoy
Take T3. There's no muscle loss when you're on AAS. It's a great addition to any cycle. Cutting of bulking.
Ok Austinite. Should i start with 50mcg or 25mcg and increasing up to 50mcg in a few days ( as your educational thread told ) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
25 is a waste as you produce that much anyway. Start with 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
Ok. Should it improve LBM/BF ratio even i'm in a surplus/bulking ? Or should it save me to increase too much BF only ?Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
Yes, it helps keep fat to a minimum. That minimum depends on your diet and can't really be quantified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
Ok Austinite. Another question.. i've read that Ralox could causa an over production of TSH even in presence of negative feedback given by exo T3. I need to run Nolva as i noticed a puffy nipple which protudes on my right breast. It's not painful neither firm but very soft but it protudes and it's a bit swollen around aureole and there's no touchable lump underlying neither around. I'm usually not so much gyno prone so much and my E2 it's in range but i think it could fluctuate a little sometimes and being i'm come from a 3 months cruising on 300mg/week on Test E, i think this is could be the cause. So i would implement Nolva reversal gyno protocol with Adex of course. Could i start Nolva or could it interfere with T3 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
i've done t3 and bulking before, it was good.
if you wanna take it , at least take 50mcg.i have read that it is even anabolic.
From my understanding of T3 and AAS, if you take them together, the T3 probably will help keep a little of the fat off, but you'll also have to eat a lot more in order to build the same amount of muscle. And as a super-ectomorph (people literally take T3 to get their metabolisms CLOSE to mine), the thought of creating a plan that forces me to eat MORE in order to get the same result but with maybe a pound or so less fat, is just ludicrous. Unless your plan is to compete, in which case, you need every advantage possible.
Under this point of view, it seems perfect for purposes which target body recomp rather building muscle mass exclusively. Diet strategy will do the rest in sinergyQuote:
Originally Posted by Arcānn
I certainly don't think it's a bad idea. It'll work for what you're trying to achieve. At least I think it will. I guess just because of where I come from, it's hard for me to picture people actually wanting to increase their metabolism while bulking! But the strategy is sound if you're willing to up the calories. But this is just based on my reading about T3, which I only did as a consequence of reading about clen while trying to make a decision about using that.
You nailed it bro. And even if one competes they should save the drug for contest prep IMO. Your body will respond MUCH better to it if you use it infrequently through out the year but in relatively higher doses and for shorter durations like the last ~8 weeks before a show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcānn
And I agree with you, it's already difficult for most of us to eat enough food everyday to keep growing in a bulk so I wouldn't want to create a situation where I have to eat even MORE food to make gains. But at the end of the day this is bodybuilding and people gravitate towards using anything that will facilitate the incredibly difficult task we have of building muscle and burning fat so everyone has the right to use whatever is gonna work for them and help them IMHO but for me T3 wouldn't make sense to take on a bulk.
Exactly man. It would be far more optimal to take it on a cut or recomp IMO. I don't think it would serve a purpose in a relatively clean bulk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
Yes. Really it would great when the expectation is not to gain exclusive big mass... but rather to increase little mass but at the same time burning fat or keeping it low as possible. As we know we cannot build muscles and at the same time, burning fat. With T3, modulating the carbs i could achieve a great body recomp. This is my target, cause i would like to be more cutted and having a little of muscle more. If i should raw bulk, my fat gain would be higher. I know my body and it could be harder getting lean mass, even on AAS as they are not magic as many ones today think yet. The magic, really, is diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaMindz
Why not t4? Yeah it is not so potent but It has less negative side effects if taken for fat burning purposes by a healthy person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
I take it daily because I have hypothyroidism.
I would strongly suggest reworking your macros, 60/25/15 is borderline absurd, even more so if in a gaining phase.
Keep protein at 1.5g per lb give or take a little.
I like 37.5mcg t3 on a bulk. Enhances protein synthesis is the main benefit.
maybe I missed it and it was already mentioned (before Kay touched on it).. but plenty of guys have used T3 during bulking, NOT to reduce body fat per se (as T3 is not technically a fat burner), but to enhance feed efficiency and nutrient absorption. when your metabolism is dialed in and revving along smoothly, your nutrient partitioning and feed effeciency will increase, thus helping you in a bulking phase (the T3 will dial in your metabolism compared to natty thyroid production)