Winstrol Cycle + low dosage Test P

[Zedbazi]

A friend of mine is planning to take Winstrol or Tbol only cycle - but from what I read in this forums you have to run Testosterone as a base component and without any form of Testosterone present, the body will be unable to maintain those normal physiological functions including mood, libido,... .

So just wondering if he can use the minimum dosage to maintain that level, like using 100-150 test E/P a week ? is this amount enough for functioning probably since the mentioned amount is twice higher than normal level.

Thanks,

[ScotchGuard02]

100mg/wk to 150mg/wk are TRT dosage. What's his goal?

[Zedbazi]

100mg/wk to 150mg/wk are TRT dosage. What's his goal?

He is Competing in a certain weight class, and he is trying to increase his strenght during off-season and donÂ’t want to gain a lot.

He already tried test only cycle and didnÂ’t like it since he didnÂ’t have any control on his weight and too much water retention. He has a low body fat and clean diet.

He is planning for new cycle and seems he just wanna do the winstrol cycle or Tbol only cycle but as far as I checked you have to run Test as a base component with every cycle.

So do you think the TRT dose will be enough for your body to function properly?

[Windex]

He is Competing in a certain weight class, and he is trying to increase his strenght during off-season and donÂ’t want to gain a lot.

He already tried test only cycle and didnÂ’t like it since he didnÂ’t have any control on his weight and too much water retention. He has a low body fat and clean diet.

He is planning for new cycle and seems he just wanna do the winstrol cycle or Tbol only cycle but as far as I checked you have to run Test as a base component with every cycle.

So do you think the TRT dose will be enough for your body to function properly?

Steroids don't control weight, diet does. "Clean diet" means basically nothing, it's a very loose phrase. Sounds like "he" either didn't run a proper AI program, used underdosed UGL AI, isn't as good as "he" thinks at eating, or a combination.

What is this "friend" competing in? The most common side effect of Winstrol is that it's very hard on the joints.

Why doesn't your "friend" make his own account here ?

[Zedbazi]

Steroids don't control weight, diet does. "Clean diet" means basically nothing, it's a very loose phrase. Sounds like "he" either didn't run a proper AI program, used underdosed UGL AI, isn't as good as "he" thinks at eating, or a combination.

What is this "friend" competing in? The most common side effect of Winstrol is that it's very hard on the joints.

Why doesn't your "friend" make his own account here ?

Hi Windex, thanks for explanations the reason he didn’t opens his account is that he cannot speak English so he just asked me to do it for him.

He is doing kickbox and that’s why he want to have control over his weight.

About using AI he had 12.5 mg eod and he checked his blood during cycle and his E2 was in range.

But my question is different is TRT dose enough for his reason and add some winstrol or tbol ?! If yes will appreciate if you suggest me the dosage of winstrol or tbol.

[AlphaMindz]

He is Competing in a certain weight class, and he is trying to increase his strenght during off-season and donÂ’t want to gain a lot.

He already tried test only cycle and didnÂ’t like it since he didnÂ’t have any control on his weight and too much water retention. He has a low body fat and clean diet.

He is planning for new cycle and seems he just wanna do the winstrol cycle or Tbol only cycle but as far as I checked you have to run Test as a base component with every cycle.

So do you think the TRT dose will be enough for your body to function properly?

Yes, that is perfectly fine. If one has issues with water retention on test then it's one of two things: either the diet is not as clean as the person thinks, OR estrogen is not being managed properly. I'm on 750mgs of test weekly and I'm not retaining any water and that's because my estrogen is in check.

[ScotchGuard02]

He is Competing in a certain weight class, and he is trying to increase his strenght during off-season and donÂ’t want to gain a lot.

He already tried test only cycle and didnÂ’t like it since he didnÂ’t have any control on his weight and too much water retention. He has a low body fat and clean diet.

He is planning for new cycle and seems he just wanna do the winstrol cycle or Tbol only cycle but as far as I checked you have to run Test as a base component with every cycle.

So do you think the TRT dose will be enough for your body to function properly?

The mildest cycle is an Anavar only cycle. Anavar is the only oral that I would run alone. 60mg/ed for 6 weeks. I gained about 5lbs and got a leaner and tighter look. Gained some strength but not like running a Test cycle.

[Zedbazi]

The mildest cycle is an Anavar only cycle. Anavar is the only oral that I would run alone. 60mg/ed for 6 weeks. I gained about 5lbs and got a leaner and tighter look. Gained some strength but not like running a Test cycle.

How come Anavar can run be alone? Will it not suppress natural Test production? what about HCG, does he need still to take 250/ twice a week for this short duration? and full pct? what about AI?

[Zedbazi]

Yes, that is perfectly fine. If one has issues with water retention on test then it's one of two things: either the diet is not as clean as the person thinks, OR estrogen is not being managed properly. I'm on 750mgs of test weekly and I'm not retaining any water and that's because my estrogen is in check.

Thanks and to conclude we can run any cycle (injection, oral) as long as we take the minimum TRT dosage.

[ScotchGuard02]

Thanks and to conclude we can run any cycle (injection, oral) as long as we take the minimum TRT dosage.

Your friend is going to gain weight/strength during the cycle and lose some weight/strength after PCT. How much post PCT weight does he want to keep? That goal would determine how I would run the cycle.

[Zedbazi]

Your friend is going to gain weight/strength during the cycle and lose some weight/strength after PCT. How much post PCT weight does he want to keep? That goal would determine how I would run the cycle.

Gaining weight is not his goal but he don't mind to gain some weight during his off-season that he can manage to drop it if needed - His goal is increasing strength and endurance.

Gaining weight will slow him down for explosive moves.

[Zedbazi]

How come Anavar can run be alone? Will it not suppress natural Test production? what about HCG, does he need still to take 250/ twice a week for this short duration? and full pct? what about AI?

ScotchGuard do you have any thoughts on this?