Must gain weight!

[PeanutbutterDC]

Asking for my mother-in-law. She's 77, 5'2, active nonsmoker- completely healthy except pancreatic cancer. Her usual weight is 95 pounds. She got down to 75. She's been doing everything the doctors tell her to try to gain weight and has gotten back up to 85 and is now at a plateau. No appetite and struggling to maintain. She's undergoing chemotherapy and surgery in the near future and would fare best to put on as much weight as she can. Fat, muscle, anything! My question is why aren't the doctors giving her anavar? Also, should *I* give her anavar?

[hammerheart]

Is she taking replacement digestive enzymes?



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[PeanutbutterDC]

Is she taking replacement digestive enzymes?



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Yes. She just started a few days ago

[upperhandy]

Dude... stay the fuck away from giving your geriatric cancer-having mother-in-law steroids...

Seriously.... WTF

[upperhandy]

I’ll simmer down a bit and qualify what I just said. Cancer is cell growth gone totally out of control... you risk giving the cancer cells steroid enchanced growth capabilities

So steroids are a really bad idea....

Cannabis (marijuana) on the other hand could help

[upperhandy]

P.s. I’m sure you’re come from a really good (but uninformed) place so I’m sorry for my initial outburts

[Windex]

I know almost zero about females+anabolics but in terms of your weight gain concern, are we talking zero regard for the quality of weight gain? If that's the case you could

- Full fat cream and sugar in coffee

- Cook everything with oil+butter, ghee, or bacon fat

- Spoonful of nut butter as often as possible

- If you have a deep fryer, then deep-fried protein brownies or protein doughnuts

- Drink as many calories as possible (whole milk, chocolate milk, smoothies, etc)

[tarmyg]

Could be a useful post

https://m.facebook.com/groups/191486...02216090008751

[hammerheart]

I know almost zero about females+anabolics but in terms of your weight gain concern, are we talking zero regard for the quality of weight gain? If that's the case you could

- Full fat cream and sugar in coffee

- Cook everything with oil+butter, ghee, or bacon fat

- Spoonful of nut butter as often as possible

- If you have a deep fryer, then deep-fried protein brownies or protein doughnuts

- Drink as many calories as possible (whole milk, chocolate milk, smoothies, etc)

Can't have an idea how much extended is damage to exocrine pancreas here but high fat diet in the settings of pancreatic dysfunction is generally a bad idea.

[The God Himself]

Can’t speak for steroids but if she has appetite issues, she can use cannabis if its legal in her state. It helps a lot.

[hammerheart]

Yes. She just started a few days ago

What about insulin? Did she develop type 1 diabetes?

About anavar most doctors will go by book, "steroids" aren't a chance not even if you are in your death bed.

When talking cancer the whole thing about chemotherapy is to inhibit the anabolic pathways so that to stop the tumour from growing... however the pancreas is not a main target of androgenic hormones, although some downstream effects might still happen - increased/unwanted GH secretion, for example, but at the age of 77 and at low doses it could be non-significant. Not sure really, it might be worth consulting an oncologist, var can be scripted legally in the US I believe.

Nandrolone might be a valid alternative also.

[PeanutbutterDC]

Dude... stay the fuck away from giving your geriatric cancer-having mother-in-law steroids...

Seriously.... WTF

You can't not gain weight as a woman on anavar. She's wasting away and might not be able to endure treatment if she doesn't gain some weight quickly. But yeah, if there's a chance anavar would increase cancer growth then obviously not worth it.

[PeanutbutterDC]

I’ll simmer down a bit and qualify what I just said. Cancer is cell growth gone totally out of control... you risk giving the cancer cells steroid enchanced growth capabilities

So steroids are a really bad idea....

Cannabis (marijuana) on the other hand could help

I dont know why I didn't think of cannabis myself. That's a great idea. And yes it's legal in our state

As for the nature of cancer- yes, I understand it's cell growth gone outta control. However it never occured to me anavar would increase cancer cell growth. I understand different cancers respond to different hormones differently. That's why I posted the question. I simply didn't know if there was a good reason why doctors don't give patients like her (who are wasting away) a drug made specifically for weight gain among people with wasting conditions.

[PeanutbutterDC]

P.s. I’m sure you’re come from a really good (but uninformed) place so I’m sorry for my initial outburts

It's all good. I'm just looking for information. I'd be interested to know if there's any science (published research) behind pancreatic cancer growth and anavar specifically (looking into cancer cell growth and how/if it's affected by anavar)

[PeanutbutterDC]

I know almost zero about females+anabolics but in terms of your weight gain concern, are we talking zero regard for the quality of weight gain? If that's the case you could

- Full fat cream and sugar in coffee

- Cook everything with oil+butter, ghee, or bacon fat

- Spoonful of nut butter as often as possible

- If you have a deep fryer, then deep-fried protein brownies or protein doughnuts

- Drink as many calories as possible (whole milk, chocolate milk, smoothies, etc)

Thanks for responding. The main issue is she has no appetite. We've had some success getting her to drink ensure. She's been very thin and a very light eater her whole life. Smallest portions imaginable. She just doesn't have it in her to eat when not hungry. That's why I was looking for something like anavar (or as upperhandy recommended, cannabis), basically anything to help her gain weight working around the no appetite issue.
Thank you!

[PeanutbutterDC]

Can't have an idea how much extended is damage to exocrine pancreas here but high fat diet in the settings of pancreatic dysfunction is generally a bad idea.

Oh, wow! Didn't even think of that. Thanks, HH

[PeanutbutterDC]

What about insulin? Did she develop type 1 diabetes?

About anavar most doctors will go by book, "steroids" aren't a chance not even if you are in your death bed.

When talking cancer the whole thing about chemotherapy is to inhibit the anabolic pathways so that to stop the tumour from growing... however the pancreas is not a main target of androgenic hormones, although some downstream effects might still happen - increased/unwanted GH secretion, for example, but at the age of 77 and at low doses it could be non-significant. Not sure really, it might be worth consulting an oncologist, var can be scripted legally in the US I believe.

Nandrolone might be a valid alternative also.

Thanks for responding, HH. Great information! So far she has not developed diabetes. I understand it's likely she will.

[PeanutbutterDC]

Could be a useful post

https://m.facebook.com/groups/191486...02216090008751

Aww, man! Can't view it. Is it a closed/privategroup?

[Windex]

Thanks for responding. The main issue is she has no appetite. We've had some success getting her to drink ensure. She's been very thin and a very light eater her whole life. Smallest portions imaginable. She just doesn't have it in her to eat when not hungry. That's why I was looking for something like anavar (or as upperhandy recommended, cannabis), basically anything to help her gain weight working around the no appetite issue.
Thank you!

Maybe look into Injectable B12 ? Not sure if it would be wise in her situation but might be worth an investigation atleast

[tarmyg]

Aww, man! Can't view it. Is it a closed/privategroup?

Ah yes, crap. I'll PM.

[hammerheart]

I simply didn't know if there was a good reason why doctors don't give patients like her (who are wasting away) a drug made specifically for weight gain among people with wasting conditions.

Cause it deviates from standard practice. Consider the event things go south after off-label treatment - doctors can be then held responsible, it's a big risk to them.

Real problem is in the current state of things we can't really decide what we consider best when it comes to our health and life.

[Ashop]

I’ll simmer down a bit and qualify what I just said. Cancer is cell growth gone totally out of control... you risk giving the cancer cells steroid enchanced growth capabilities

So steroids are a really bad idea....

Cannabis (marijuana) on the other hand could help

I wouldn't give her an AAS with her having cancer either. Cannabis on the other hand could be very beneficial for appetite and weight gain.