3rd cycle - Test, Deca, hCG and Proviron (?)

[greaseywrench1]

I have completed 2 cycles of test 500mg per week as highlighted by Austinite. Full PCT and the likes. Running just 250mg test 2x per week, blood results showed 2864.5 ng/dL test and kept estrogen down at 68.2. I am going to be starting by 3rd soon and wanted to introduce a 19-nor for bulking. After doing research, I was planning this:

Weeks 1-12: Test E 250mg 2x's per week (500 total)
Weeks 1-12: hCG 250iu 2x's per week (500 total)
Weeks 1-10: Deca 125mg 2x's per week (250 total)
Weeks 1-14: Arimidex .25 EOD

Then clomid and nolva for PCT weeks 14-18

I was also told proviron is good to combat any estrogen related sides or deca dick. I will run the test 2 weeks longer then the deca... However I still heard Proviron at .5 ED is good.

Any input is greatly appreciated!

[The God Himself]

Arimidex or proviron won’t combat the sides related to progestinic nature of 19-nors such as Deca . (Deca dick, gyno, lactation etc)
You should have caber in hand and use 0.25 twice a week.
Your deca dosage is a bit low too, you can up it to 400 mg pw.
What is your age and stats? Don’t use deca if ure young, recovery from deca is very hard and you’re most likely end up needing TRT.
Proviron helps you to keep your SHBG busy and increase your free-T. And helps with libido in some. Use it 25 or 50 mgs ed.

[greaseywrench1]

I am 30, 5'8" 175lbs, pretty low BF - around 12%.

From what I read, you wanted your deca dose at half your test dose to decrease sides, that is why I was gonna run 250mg. Maybe I'll step the test up to 600mg and deca at 400.

So should i scrap the proviron and get the caber and take twice a week? Or start it twice a week as needed.

[Windex]

I have completed 2 cycles of test 500mg per week as highlighted by Austinite. Full PCT and the likes. Running just 250mg test 2x per week, blood results showed 2864.5 ng/dL test and kept estrogen down at 68.2. I am going to be starting by 3rd soon and wanted to introduce a 19-nor for bulking. After doing research, I was planning this:

Weeks 1-12: Test E 250mg 2x's per week (500 total)
Weeks 1-12: hCG 250iu 2x's per week (500 total)
Weeks 1-10: Deca 125mg 2x's per week (250 total)
Weeks 1-14: Arimidex .25 EOD

Then clomid and nolva for PCT weeks 14-18

I was also told proviron is good to combat any estrogen related sides or deca dick. I will run the test 2 weeks longer then the deca... However I still heard Proviron at .5 ED is good.

Any input is greatly appreciated!

Would not recommend Deca if you aren't willing to accept the possibility of being on TRT for the rest of your life. Also, 10 weeks is too short to run Deca, it's a long ester.

As well, keep in mind you will test positive on drug testing for over a year after the first shot of Nandrolone . Depending on your job, potential future job, or sports this may have an impact on your decision.

Also there is no magic rule for 19nors and Test - people just have a preference and how steroids react in one persons body is almost irrelevant to your own body. I never run Testosterone higher than a 19nor but that is just my own experience.

[TestoSuper]

The cycle is generally well structured.
You can take Deca 300 mg/week instead of 250 (it's a little bit).. and even in a single weekly injection (has long half-life).
Arimidex maybe can be too much... you have to try starting very low and eventually increase... It is very powerful in the past only 0.5 x 2 a week has lowered my estrogens under heels even several months after the end of the cycle.. and you can stop it at 12 weeks.
Proviron in my opinion is superfluous. You can combat deca dick with the Test E. If you are prone to prolactine from Deca you have to take Dostinex (but maybe with higher dosages).
ok for Hcg . ok for Pct

[The God Himself]

I am 30, 5'8" 175lbs, pretty low BF - around 12%.

From what I read, you wanted your deca dose at half your test dose to decrease sides, that is why I was gonna run 250mg. Maybe I'll step the test up to 600mg and deca at 400.

So should i scrap the proviron and get the caber and take twice a week? Or start it twice a week as needed.

Proviron is optional. But caber is a must, imho.
And windex is right about the length of your cycle. It is a long ester and should be run longer. 1-12 deca 1-14 test for example, forgot to mention.
As I and Windex said, you’re going to need TRT by using Deca, most likely. Think twice before diving into it.

[greaseywrench1]

Damn, I didn't realize deca would destroy natural T so bad. As far as sports, I have no worries. And I do have a hair drug test at work coming up in a few months but i assume its just for drugs like cocaine, marijuana, heroin and opiates etc etc.

If i wanted an extra kick on my 3rd cycle, what would you recommend? I thought Tren was much stronger and would have worse long term effects then deca

[Windex]

Damn, I didn't realize deca would destroy natural T so bad. As far as sports, I have no worries. And I do have a hair drug test at work coming up in a few months but i assume its just for drugs like cocaine, marijuana, heroin and opiates etc etc.

If i wanted an extra kick on my 3rd cycle, what would you recommend? I thought Tren was much stronger and would have worse long term effects then deca

Nandrolone is the single hardest steroid to recover from and you are shut down from the very first injection. 19nors in general are the hardest group of steroids to recover from (Deca, NPP, Tren ). Generally speaking, Tren has some of the worst side effects and it's a bit subjective.

You could run some liver bloodwork and introduce an oral. You could also consider following Marcus diet prime, running a shorter cycle of Test Only with a short ester (Test Prop) or no ester (Test Suspension), and increase your Test dose.

[The God Himself]

Damn, I didn't realize deca would destroy natural T so bad. As far as sports, I have no worries. And I do have a hair drug test at work coming up in a few months but i assume its just for drugs like cocaine, marijuana, heroin and opiates etc etc.

If i wanted an extra kick on my 3rd cycle, what would you recommend? I thought Tren was much stronger and would have worse long term effects then deca

Tbh, your weight is too low for someone did 2 cycles. I would first consider the diet, since it doesn’t seem to be enough.
A test only cycle with a good diet (caloric surplus) seems good I guess. But if you want to add something seriously, you might consider adding NPP since its more forgiving on HPTA. But its still risky.
You could add orals but they are quite liver toxic.

[greaseywrench1]

I eat like a horse, close to 4K calories average a day. I was 140 when I started lifting and am a very hard gainer. Previous to working out, 5 years ago, I was eating roughly 1800 calories a week and maintaining 140 since high school... I work outdoors and walk 10 miles a day in summer and have lost 12 pounds since June (unintentionally), my work averages 12-15 hours a day and up to 100+ hours a week in summer so it’s hectic.

[greaseywrench1]

I am fairly large and muscular for my size. The gear has worked, just can’t seem to keep the extra weight on but am keeping the mass

[Windex]

Tbh, your weight is too low for someone did 2 cycles. I would first consider the diet, since it doesn’t seem to be enough.
A test only cycle with a good diet (caloric surplus) seems good I guess. But if you want to add something seriously, you might consider adding NPP since its more forgiving on HPTA. But its still risky.
You could add orals but they are quite liver toxic.

I agree.

Post your meal program in our diet&nutrition section and we can help you improve.

[waltr64]

I have used DECA several times and never had an issue that needed caber so it just depends on your body. Although proviron is expensive I think it is almost a necessity after I found it. It keeps everything else working and amplifies your Test so you can get the same results with less. Proviron will keep your FSH and LH flowing so you will not shut down totally and it will increase the available Test in your bloodstream. I personally like NPP better than DECA unless your joints are really bad and you are older. I would not start your Arimidex until week 3 or 4 and if you were not taking DECA you may not even need it but your dosing is good for what you have planned. I would not rely on Proviron for you AI with DECA but it may be all you need with just that amount of Test. Do keep Letro or Caber on hand just in case your tits start to get sensitive but hope you never need it. Good luck and realize that it will take a good while before you notice the results of the DECA but you will be happy with what you get. If you want a kick starter I have found TBol is a good one for the first few weeks.