How long have u been on Nolvadex/Tamoxifen

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 08:31 AM

It feels to me like I have been running this toxic waste way too long. . . . Before knowing what is what I wasn't very concerned with the duration of taking it. But, with my recent readings it appears to be fairly toxic.

So

I am damn near forced to stay on it - Came off a tren cycle, boom - GyNo FlArE

They seem to appear when I add/drop gear & not just while I am running high doses

This shit is still small & 95%+ only on my right side - so, it isn't quite surgery worthy IMO

**The God Himself** · 09-29-2018, 09:31 AM

Try ralox for a time it is more effective against gyno than tamox afaik. And less toxic ofc.
See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stud...and_Raloxifene

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 09:40 AM

I have ran raloxifine, same shit - seems to work over a long duration

But, I can't comment on its toxicity vs Dex

**The God Himself** · 09-29-2018, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

I have ran raloxifine, same shit - seems to work over a long duration

But, I can't comment on its toxicity vs Dex

I have tolerated ralox much more better than nolva, but that depends on the individual. It took care of my slight gyno before and quite happy with it.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 09:44 AM

What other sides have u noticed from taking Dex?

**The God Himself** · 09-29-2018, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

What other sides have u noticed from taking Dex?

Well not sure if its because of dex but I was literally shaking from the cold in the mornings when I was taking it (it was early summer lol).
And sometimes I got hot flushes, mostly in the evening.

**GearHeaded** · 09-29-2018, 10:19 AM

how many MG are you running of Nolva per day ? curious what you mean exactly by "toxic" ? As Nolvadex has quite a few perks over an AI in regards to some health parameters (eg., being its a 'selective' estrogen blocker it only blocks the negative effects of estrogen on things like fat tissue and breast tissue, but it allows the normal elevation of estrogen in the blood stream and binding of receptors in muscle tissue to promote anabolism, the liver to promote the production of good cholesterol , the brain to promote well being, the vascular system to promote vascular relaxation, etc...).
If you don't tolerate it that well another option is Toremifene citrate, very similar to Nolva..
but in regards to Nolva, you really only need as little as 10mg per day to keep gyno at bay, and that low of dose should be free from any negative sides yet still illicit the positive health benefits of Nolva use (over AI use)

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 10:25 AM

I start putting down 40mg a day for the 1st week of flare up, then drop to 30mg then 20mg - all split into 2 doses

I get random flushing at times and have no clue what it's caused by

**GearHeaded** · 09-29-2018, 10:38 AM

hot flashes and flushing can defiantly be from the Nolva, generally happens when guys are blasting higher doses of it on PCT .

my thought. Run Nolva long term (don't wait for a flare up and then blast high dosages). Run a continually low dose of 10mg per day wither your on TRT or your blasting. Over a period of time things should subside. IF your blasting say a gram of test and you get a flare up (even on the 10mg of nolva daily) then run Letro for only a couple weeks rather then upping your Nolva dose. but being on 10mg daily for an extended time, flare ups should be few and far between and so should the negative sides of Nolva use like the flushing.
worth a try especially if you been dealing with gyno flare ups for a long time

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 11:59 AM

Fvck running Letro - no joke

I had my run with that shit, I managed to run a super low dose but had a dead dick, Letro is a no go 4 sho

Staying on very low dose Nolva damn near permanently is a new thought tho

**GearHeaded** · 09-29-2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Fvck running Letro - no joke

I had my run with that shit, I managed to run a super low dose but had a dead dick, Letro is a no go 4 sho

Staying on very low dose Nolva damn near permanently is a new thought tho

Letro is some powerful shit ,, its the super car of AI's (where as Arimidex is the Ford Focus and Aromasin is the cart and buggy). I like to keep it on hand just in case shit goes off the deep end .

but yeah as for Nolva long term , there are plenty of people that have ran Nolva for years on end (women too). I'm NOT necessarily suggesting that long term (but longer lower doses then what you had done in the past). I'm just saying at low dosage it has very few negative side effects, and actually has some health benefits for guys that run exogenous hormones (like better HDL cholesterol) .
worth some research imo

**Arcânn** · 09-29-2018, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

Letro is some powerful shit ,, its the super car of AI's (where as Arimidex is the Ford Focus and Aromasin is the cart and buggy). I like to keep it on hand just in case shit goes off the deep end .

but yeah as for Nolva long term , there are plenty of people that have ran Nolva for years on end (women too). I'm NOT necessarily suggesting that long term (but longer lower doses then what you had done in the past). I'm just saying at low dosage it has very few negative side effects, and actually has some health benefits for guys that run exogenous hormones (like better HDL cholesterol) .
worth some research imo

What makes Aromasin so bad?

**GearHeaded** · 09-29-2018, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Arcânn

What makes Aromasin so bad?

I'm not saying Aromasin is "bad" .. heres what I mean, in regards to 'modernization' on the 3 common AI's
- Letrozole is the new kid on the block (its the newest and most modern). its 98% effective. therefore its the 'super car'
- Arimidex is tried and true and been around for awhile. its reliable. its 90% effective. its the 'ford focus'
- Aromasin. Been around a long time. People use it and don't find it that effective (but some people do). on paper its about 78% effective. its the original "cart and buggy"

of course not everyone is going to handle a super car, and not everyone finds the cart and buggy all that reliable . probably why the 'Ford Focus' has most the sales and is the most practical .

not saying one is bad or one is good. personal choice really. if you can get by not taking any of them then you may be better off

**Couchlockd** · 09-29-2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

I'm not saying Aromasin is "bad" .. heres what I mean, in regards to 'modernization' on the 3 common AI's
- Letrozole is the new kid on the block (its the newest and most modern). its 98% effective. therefore its the 'super car'
- Arimidex is tried and true and been around for awhile. its reliable. its 90% effective. its the 'ford focus'
- Aromasin. Been around a long time. People use it and don't find it that effective (but some people do). on paper its about 78% effective. its the original "cart and buggy"

of course not everyone is going to handle a super car, and not everyone finds the cart and buggy all that reliable . probably why the 'Ford Focus' has most the sales and is the most practical .

not saying one is bad or one is good. personal choice really. if you can get by not taking any of them then you may be better off

What's your fist choice in AI? I been considering aromasin as I've read it's less harsh on cholesterol.

Also benefits regarding igf1 or something to that effect.

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 01:38 PM

I run xtane as an Ai year round(HG)

Then add the De when shit flares up

**kelkel** · 09-29-2018, 01:39 PM

I've run nolva at 10mgs per day for long periods of time with no issues. It does not take much for our intended purpose. When it comes to the difference between Nolva and Ralox for gyno, Ralox it statistically better but the difference is so minimal you won't know the difference.

**GearHeaded** · 09-29-2018, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

What's your fist choice in AI? I been considering aromasin as I've read it's less harsh on cholesterol.

Also benefits regarding igf1 or something to that effect.

this may not be the answer you were looking for

but , true Aromasin is less harsh on cholesterol (meaning it will keep HDL more elevated) and it doesn't lower IGF levels as much as the other AI's.
Now why is this ?
Because its NOT as effective at lowering total Estrogen levels ! lol..
the more effective an AI is at actually lowering Estrogen, then the more effective it will be at crashing good cholesterol (HDL) and lowering IGF . thats because its Estrogen that binds to receptors on the liver and helps produce HDL and its estrogen that helps raise IGF levels.

so the answer of which AI is best is really dependent on the person and their situation . If you are super estgeon sensitive and your lean and prepping for a bodybuilding show and need to be super dry , then fuck your cholesterol or IGF , you need low levels of estrogen and Letro will be best . IF however your health markers are really important, and your running cycles for the whole goal of putting on size, yet your E sensitive and have to have at least some estrogen control, then using the weaker Aromasin is probably going to be best .

**Couchlockd** · 09-29-2018, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

this may not be the answer you were looking for

but , true Aromasin is less harsh on cholesterol (meaning it will keep HDL more elevated) and it doesn't lower IGF levels as much as the other AI's.
Now why is this ?
Because its NOT as effective at lowering total Estrogen levels ! lol..
the more effective an AI is at actually lowering Estrogen, then the more effective it will be at crashing good cholesterol (HDL) and lowering IGF . thats because its Estrogen that binds to receptors on the liver and helps produce HDL and its estrogen that helps raise IGF levels.

so the answer of which AI is best is really dependent on the person and their situation . If you are super estgeon sensitive and your lean and prepping for a bodybuilding show and need to be super dry , then fuck your cholesterol or IGF , you need low levels of estrogen and Letro will be best . IF however your health markers are really important, and your running cycles for the whole goal of putting on size, yet your E sensitive and have to have at least some estrogen control, then using the weaker Aromasin is probably going to be best .

That's exactly the answer I was looking for.

Thanks GH

**< <Samson> >** · 09-29-2018, 03:42 PM

I c

So, all in all - the higher mg don't do much, go for duration

Fair enough

**Arcânn** · 09-30-2018, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

this may not be the answer you were looking for

but , true Aromasin is less harsh on cholesterol (meaning it will keep HDL more elevated) and it doesn't lower IGF levels as much as the other AI's.
Now why is this ?
Because its NOT as effective at lowering total Estrogen levels ! lol..
the more effective an AI is at actually lowering Estrogen, then the more effective it will be at crashing good cholesterol (HDL) and lowering IGF . thats because its Estrogen that binds to receptors on the liver and helps produce HDL and its estrogen that helps raise IGF levels.

so the answer of which AI is best is really dependent on the person and their situation . If you are super estgeon sensitive and your lean and prepping for a bodybuilding show and need to be super dry , then fuck your cholesterol or IGF , you need low levels of estrogen and Letro will be best . IF however your health markers are really important, and your running cycles for the whole goal of putting on size, yet your E sensitive and have to have at least some estrogen control, then using the weaker Aromasin is probably going to be best .

My plan is to run a small amount of Aromasin along with low dose nolva, at least until my mid-cycle bloods. I don't plan on trying to hinder E2 too much, but we'll see what happens