Anavar vs dbol

[Octaneforce]

So ive been able to experiment with a couple of oral compounds in my comparatively breif experience with aas. The two im most fond of are dbol and anavar. So my question to you guys, do you think the puff and water retention from dbol is worth the strength and size gains? Personally, im not the best dieter and i hate cardio, so it took me a while to harden back up after my dbol run. Thats not to say i didnt have a ton of fun with explosive new strength and size.
This current cycle is my first run with anavar. Ive been avoiding it because its a dht compound and id like to avoid hairloss if i can. However ive noticed zero shedding and i love the affects. Im harder, leaner, and i think ive even made strength gains without being in a calorie surplus. The pumps are unreal. I can do a few pushups before i go out and thats all it takes to get a big firm pump. It didnt take long to kick in either. A week or two into var and i knew it was working.
So there you have it, i might make anavar my new kickstart or finisher (works for both for me). I think its underated because its hard to find a decent batch of actual anavar. The shit i got right now is gold

*oops i posted this in the wrong section

[almostgone]

Moved it to Q&A, Octane.

[GearHeaded]

well your really talking apples and oranges here . they are very different steroids in almost every way.

Anavar is a class 1 steroid - meaning it works its magic primarily by binding to the androgen receptor
Dbol is a class 2 steroid - meaning it works its magic apart from androgen receptor bidding

Anavar is a non aromatizing DHT derived compound
Dbol is an estrogenic testosterone derived compound

Anavar is 'dry' and Dbol is 'wet'

Anvar is very mild in regards to HPTA shut down (pct may not be required)
Dbol is fairly strong in regards to HPTA shut down


again very different compounds in almost all ways. but if you like both thats cool, plenty of uses for them. nothing wrong with apples on some days and oranges on another.


on a side note - just because a compound is DHT 'derived' does not mean its going to convert to DHT, or display primary DHT like properties and bind to DHT receptors. Test is NOT a 'dht' but is going to convert to DHT more then any other compound . also keep in mind that some drugs bind to androgen receptors and illicit DHT like properties. Eg., Tren is not a DHT, yet its going to probably cause more hair loss then an Anavar that is a DHT derived drug.

[Aerospace]

Well in strength, anavar probably beats out Dianabol. Dbol is for one thing, mass gains. Anavar can't compete with Dbol in mass gains, but that's not its purpose. You defined the two pretty well yourself in the first post, it's apples and oranges really.

[carvv]

I'm a beginner so I am only sharing my personal experience and not some universal truth about these steroids. I used Anavar in my first cycle, and I did not see much of a change. I didn't notice much at all. I know it was legit, because I used a self test kit on it. Everything seemed a little tighter and harder but I didn't feel like I added much muscle.

On my second cycle, I used dbol. I actually didn't notice too much puffiness. I'm sure I added some water just because of how much weight I gained so quickly, but I never felt puffy. I think a large part of that was diet. I consume very few carbohydrates and sodium usually. So, if you're worried about the puffiness, you can probably prevent a lot of that with a diet that limits carbs and sodium.

I had a much better experience with the dbol. The gains were fast and obvious whereas Anavar seemed more subtle. I didn't notice any sides with either. My dosage on each was 50 mg ED orally.

[Octaneforce]

well your really talking apples and oranges here . they are very different steroids in almost every way.

Anavar is a class 1 steroid - meaning it works its magic primarily by binding to the androgen receptor
Dbol is a class 2 steroid - meaning it works its magic apart from androgen receptor bidding

Anavar is a non aromatizing DHT derived compound
Dbol is an estrogenic testosterone derived compound

Anavar is 'dry' and Dbol is 'wet'

Anvar is very mild in regards to HPTA shut down (pct may not be required)
Dbol is fairly strong in regards to HPTA shut down


again very different compounds in almost all ways. but if you like both thats cool, plenty of uses for them. nothing wrong with apples on some days and oranges on another.


on a side note - just because a compound is DHT 'derived' does not mean its going to convert to DHT, or display primary DHT like properties and bind to DHT receptors. Test is NOT a 'dht' but is going to convert to DHT more then any other compound . also keep in mind that some drugs bind to androgen receptors and illicit DHT like properties. Eg., Tren is not a DHT, yet its going to probably cause more hair loss then an Anavar that is a DHT derived drug.

Schooling me as usual, gear. Lol. I used your “tapering” method with my dbol run last time around. I think it provided me with permanent size gains. I literally had to get all new shirts because nothing fit me anymore. Im gonna try a bulk on anavar in the winter and see what happens. But your right, different drugs for different goals.

[Octaneforce]

I'm a beginner so I am only sharing my personal experience and not some universal truth about these steroids. I used Anavar in my first cycle, and I did not see much of a change. I didn't notice much at all. I know it was legit, because I used a self test kit on it. Everything seemed a little tighter and harder but I didn't feel like I added much muscle.

On my second cycle, I used dbol. I actually didn't notice too much puffiness. I'm sure I added some water just because of how much weight I gained so quickly, but I never felt puffy. I think a large part of that was diet. I consume very few carbohydrates and sodium usually. So, if you're worried about the puffiness, you can probably prevent a lot of that with a diet that limits carbs and sodium.

I had a much better experience with the dbol. The gains were fast and obvious whereas Anavar seemed more subtle. I didn't notice any sides with either. My dosage on each was 50 mg ED orally.

Diet is huge. I think the var is helping me get away with diet mistakes. One thing i loved about dbol was that feel good high it gives you. Almost euphoric. The most I ran the dbol was at i think 80mg

[GearHeaded]

Schooling me as usual, gear. Lol. I used your “tapering” method with my dbol run last time around. I think it provided me with permanent size gains. I literally had to get all new shirts because nothing fit me anymore. Im gonna try a bulk on anavar in the winter and see what happens. But your right, different drugs for different goals.

well glad to hear you held onto those Dbol gains . Dbol has a bad name for loosing all gains post cycle, but most guys only run short 4 week blasts of it.. that 8+ week long taper method is definitely ideal for solidifying the gains (and the increase in IGF and GH release that Dbol illicits helps over the long haul too of course).

be curious to see how you do on that VAR bulk. its 3x more anabolic then Test, so you know it can put on lean tissue.

[GearHeaded]

One thing i loved about dbol was that feel good high it gives you. Almost euphoric. The most I ran the dbol was at i think 80mg

back in the day (way back) it was used as an anti-depressant. also why I use it quite often, no matter what cycle I may be on, as a pre-workout

[greaseywrench1]

well glad to hear you held onto those Dbol gains . Dbol has a bad name for loosing all gains post cycle, but most guys only run short 4 week blasts of it.. that 8+ week long taper method is definitely ideal for solidifying the gains (and the increase in IGF and GH release that Dbol illicits helps over the long haul too of course).

be curious to see how you do on that VAR bulk. its 3x more anabolic then Test, so you know it can put on lean tissue.

What is this “tapering method”?

[cokemarine]

What is this “tapering method”?

It is when you start out with a higher or lower lose and taper either higher or lower. So say you start with 20mg of dbol the first 2 weeks then 30mg the next 3.

Frankly, tapering is unnecessary and in some cases counterproductive.

[GearHeaded]

What is this “tapering method”?

My "tapering method" for dbol is formulated to help guys acclimate to and keep their gains.. most guys run Dbol and blast it for 4 weeks and come off and they end up pissing all their gains away (literally piss them away, losing all that water weight). You need to get you body to adapt over a longer period of time so you can hold onto the water weight, which will help put on muscle .

week 1-4 - 50mg of Dbol
week 5-6 - 40mg of Dbol
week 7-8 - 30mg of Dbol
week 9-10 - 20mg of Dbol

Yes 10 weeks may be considered a long run of Dbol by some guys, but the dosage is coming down over time. the liver toxicity of 20mg of Dbol is not that high

[GearHeaded]

It is when you start out with a higher or lower lose and taper either higher or lower. So say you start with 20mg of dbol the first 2 weeks then 30mg the next 3.

Frankly, tapering is unnecessary and in some cases counterproductive.

never heard of that type of "taper" personally . not sure what the reasoning would be for doing that.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

GearHeaded, I've always considered dianabol a shit oral compared to Anadrol for the purposes or kicking off a cycle and Strength gains, but you've got me thinking I should give it another chance.

What's your opinion on one vs. the other?

[GearHeaded]

GearHeaded, I've always considered dianabol a shit oral compared to Anadrol for the purposes or kicking off a cycle and Strength gains, but you've got me thinking I should give it another chance.

What's your opinion on one vs. the other?

I really like them both. You'll see me list them quite often in cycle protocols that I may recommend.. however for me personally, Anadrol effects my appetite quite a bit and I can't run it over say 3 weeks. if I run it longer I will do something like 2 days on 2 days off etc..
now I have ran both together and know others guys that have done the same with very good results (if you got a steel liver). 50mg Dbol 50mg Andarol per day , or 100mg Andarol day 1, 50mg dbol day 2, repeat..

now to decide which one is best for you dependent on your cycle goals. couple points..

- Dbol converts to estrogen via the Aromatase enzyme. not only does it convert heavily, it converts into a very strong and biologically available form of estrogen . so its a very potent 'wet' and estrogenic compound

- Andarol is a DHT derived steroid . SO it is unable to convert to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. But it is still estrogenic as it itself is able to bind to receptors and bring about estrogenic activity . you cannot take an AI to control estrogen sides from Anadrol . only a SERM will work , because all the activity is at the receptor itself.

so the estrogenic nature of each drug is pretty important to help you decide how to utilize each one. I personally really like Dbol pre-workout (it helps with mood as well). Anadrol on the other hand can actually be used pre-contest (not so with Dbol). Adrol can really help fill up a guy who has gone flat from dieting. using it 3 weeks out from a show is pretty common.

some other small points
- Dbol at higher doses will increase IGF levels and decrease cortisol
- Anadrol has anti-prolactin effects (so its synergetic with 19 nor compounds)

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Thank you for the incredibly detailed comparison, you're like an encyclopedia. Time to give the dbol another go...

[< <Samson> >]

Soooo

I have been thinking about this a bit

What's better to run mg for mg? I was about to start my usual dBol & test winter cycle. But, will doing a bulk type cycle on Var b more beneficial - lets say 50-75mg a day vs the same of dBol

[GearHeaded]

Soooo

I have been thinking about this a bit

What's better to run mg for mg? I was about to start my usual dBol & test winter cycle. But, will doing a bulk type cycle on Var b more beneficial - lets say 50-75mg a day vs the same of dBol

have you ever ran Superdrol ?

[< <Samson> >]

have you ever ran Superdrol ?

Yes

Not many things I have not tried < I dunno if that's a good thing

[greaseywrench1]

I really like them both. You'll see me list them quite often in cycle protocols that I may recommend.. however for me personally, Anadrol effects my appetite quite a bit and I can't run it over say 3 weeks. if I run it longer I will do something like 2 days on 2 days off etc..
now I have ran both together and know others guys that have done the same with very good results (if you got a steel liver). 50mg Dbol 50mg Andarol per day , or 100mg Andarol day 1, 50mg dbol day 2, repeat..

now to decide which one is best for you dependent on your cycle goals. couple points..

- Dbol converts to estrogen via the Aromatase enzyme. not only does it convert heavily, it converts into a very strong and biologically available form of estrogen . so its a very potent 'wet' and estrogenic compound

- Andarol is a DHT derived steroid . SO it is unable to convert to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. But it is still estrogenic as it itself is able to bind to receptors and bring about estrogenic activity . you cannot take an AI to control estrogen sides from Anadrol . only a SERM will work , because all the activity is at the receptor itself.

so the estrogenic nature of each drug is pretty important to help you decide how to utilize each one. I personally really like Dbol pre-workout (it helps with mood as well). Anadrol on the other hand can actually be used pre-contest (not so with Dbol). Adrol can really help fill up a guy who has gone flat from dieting. using it 3 weeks out from a show is pretty common.

some other small points
- Dbol at higher doses will increase IGF levels and decrease cortisol
- Anadrol has anti-prolactin effects (so its synergetic with 19 nor compounds)

Gearheaded, I’m running 750mg test enanthate a week and dbol. Should I step my adex up from .25mg eod due to the eatrogenic properties of dbol? I may do your taper method....

[GearHeaded]

Yes

Not many things I have not tried < I dunno if that's a good thing

ok I was just going to say that 'Superdrol' kind of fits in that middle ground between Dbol and Var, it has qualities of both.

from your other posts, I believe your somewhat E sensitive and gyno prone.. so VAR may not be a bad choice to try a 'dry' bulk on, and not have to worry about your lump flaring up.

mg per mg though . on paper Var is more anabolic then Dbol. but in practical terms, Dbol is going to provide more mass gains and overall growth due to its estrogenic nature (which var does not have). Dbol + estrogen = more IGF and a higher anabolic response overall.
BUT if your used to running Dbol and having to run a shit ton of AI with it just to keep E low , then yeah, forget that and try a VAR bulk so you don't have to mess with AI's.

be curious to see your results . the overall gains on the scale will be much lower, but perhaps you'll put on some quality tissue.
IF your test dose is going to be on the low end as well though, you may want to add in another androgen to help, maybe Mast

[GearHeaded]

Gearheaded, I’m running 750mg test enanthate a week and dbol. Should I step my adex up from .25mg eod due to the eatrogenic properties of dbol? I may do your taper method....

I would need more details about you and your cycle history and if your sensitive to estgeon or not or ever had gyno flare ups, in order to provide you a better answer.

but off the cuff -- fuck upping the AI and just throw in some Nolva at this stage of the game . especially if overall growth is your goal. Your elevated estrogen levels from the Dbol and test will help you grow, while the Nolva will block Estrgeons negative side effects at the receptor site itself in fat and breast tissue... where as an AI is going to lower estrogen all together (which is not optimal for overall growth gains).
you may be better off dropping the AI all together and just rolling with the Nolva . but again I would need more history and info to say that for sure

[greaseywrench1]

I would need more details about you and your cycle history and if your sensitive to estgeon or not or ever had gyno flare ups, in order to provide you a better answer.

but off the cuff -- fuck upping the AI and just throw in some Nolva at this stage of the game . especially if overall growth is your goal. Your elevated estrogen levels from the Dbol and test will help you grow, while the Nolva will block Estrgeons negative side effects at the receptor site itself in fat and breast tissue... where as an AI is going to lower estrogen all together (which is not optimal for overall growth gains).
you may be better off dropping the AI all together and just rolling with the Nolva . but again I would need more history and info to say that for sure

My last cycle was 600mg test a week for 12 weeks with arimidex eod at .25 and my bloodwork showed test levels just under 2900 and estrogen at 67. No itchy nips, gyno or bloating... Only side was acne at week 12 as I ended and throughout PCT that resides after

[< <Samson> >]

Superdrol is some nasty shit - even worse in sides than Anadrol


I was thinking of running another a50 cycle - but, I know I'll be singing a different tune a few weeks into it


I am gyno sensitive to damn near anything - but, we'll see. . .

Started the dBol yesterday, planning to run it for a month - come off, then run the Var


Y not