Add Anavar half way through or no?

[carvv]

Hello All,

I have what is probably a simple question. I'm a bit of a beginner, and I'm at the end of week 6 of a 12 week cycle of 500mg of Test every week for the 12 weeks and 50 mg ED of DBol for the first 6 weeks only. Tomorrow is the end of 6 weeks, so I will be stopping DBol and running just 500 mg of Test for the next 6 weeks. I'm not doing PCT because I'm on TRT, so I'm just going to drop back to my prescribed dosage of 200mg a week of Test when I'm done and take a break, get blood tests, etc. before the next cycle. The intention was to bulk, and results have been awesome. I went from 175 to 192. I'm not sure how much is water, but I look huge and vascular compared to before. I can also tell I have added some fat and lost a bit of my six pack unfortunately.

I have some Anavar and Winstrol left over from my first cycle. I'm wondering if it would help me to add the Anavar tomorrow for the remaining 6 weeks and maybe even the Winstrol in the last 3 or 4 weeks. I know they're both seen as cutting steroids and I'm bulking, but I'm wondering if I could add the same amount of muscle but retain less water and get less fat if I add them to the cycle. Do they really inhibit muscle growth when you add them to a cycle that would otherwise be for bulking? Do you guys think I should add them in here at the end or not? I hope I'm explaining this clearly.

Thanks in advance!

[Windex]

Oral Steroids are very hard on the liver - given you've already run one for 6 weeks you should not use another. They have a long shelf life and can be saved for future use. "Cutting" and "Bulking" steroids is a bit of a misconception - more of a shortcut in explaining how much water retention you can expect. Diet and training are going to drive the results before anything.

[GearHeaded]

I would not bother adding in another oral during this cycle . however, there are many other uses of some orals then simply throwing them in for cycles.

example - when your cycle is over and you go back to your TRT. you can run 25mg a day of Winstrol.
This will help lower cortisol, which is a catabolic hormone. After cycle your cortisol levels are generally going to be pretty elevated as the body is trying to seek homeostasis (meaning its actually trying to lose the muscle you just put on). having high levels of cortisol post cycle is one reason why guys begin to lose gains after their cycle. Winstrol will help you maintain these gains and lower cortisol .
Winstrol will also increase IGF levels, which will act as another anabolic / anti-catabolic , and it also has an affinity to bind to progesterone receptors and blunt 'estrogenic - progestin' type activity on those receptors which is a good thing coming off cycle and back on TRT.
It will also gobble up some SHBG and allow that lower TRT dose of test to do a better job and allow for more 'free' testosterone


so just keep in mind, there are plenty of AAS compounds you can utilize to help maintain gains without having to 'blast' them during or for a cycle only .

[carvv]

Thanks a lot. I didn't consider the liver toxicity, and it's a good point.

[carvv]

I would not bother adding in another oral during this cycle . however, there are many other uses of some orals then simply throwing them in for cycles.

example - when your cycle is over and you go back to your TRT. you can run 25mg a day of Winstrol.
This will help lower cortisol, which is a catabolic hormone. After cycle your cortisol levels are generally going to be pretty elevated as the body is trying to seek homeostasis (meaning its actually trying to lose the muscle you just put on). having high levels of cortisol post cycle is one reason why guys begin to lose gains after their cycle. Winstrol will help you maintain these gains and lower cortisol .
Winstrol will also increase IGF levels, which will act as another anabolic / anti-catabolic , and it also has an affinity to bind to progesterone receptors and blunt 'estrogenic - progestin' type activity on those receptors which is a good thing coming off cycle and back on TRT.
It will also gobble up some SHBG and allow that lower TRT dose of test to do a better job and allow for more 'free' testosterone


so just keep in mind, there are plenty of AAS compounds you can utilize to help maintain gains without having to 'blast' them during or for a cycle only .

Thanks. That's a good idea. I have some leftover Winstrol, too. My first cycle was Test, Winstrol, and Anavar, and I have a lot of each left over. So, I might do some winstrol for a couple weeks at the end of the cycle. Thanks!

[Kay kay]

This is why I prefer to backload orals - that is, to use them for the last 4-6 weeks of a cycle rather than the first 4-6 weeks.

I don’t like the idea of dropping my dosage of anabolics halfway through my cycle, the idea of starting a little lower and raising halfway appeals to me much more, if that makes sense. Fits more with our bodies homeostasis

[AR's King Silabolin]

Hello All,

I have what is probably a simple question. I'm a bit of a beginner, and I'm at the end of week 6 of a 12 week cycle of 500mg of Test every week for the 12 weeks and 50 mg ED of DBol for the first 6 weeks only. Tomorrow is the end of 6 weeks, so I will be stopping DBol and running just 500 mg of Test for the next 6 weeks. I'm not doing PCT because I'm on TRT, so I'm just going to drop back to my prescribed dosage of 200mg a week of Test when I'm done and take a break, get blood tests, etc. before the next cycle. The intention was to bulk, and results have been awesome. I went from 175 to 192. I'm not sure how much is water, but I look huge and vascular compared to before. I can also tell I have added some fat and lost a bit of my six pack unfortunately.

I have some Anavar and Winstrol left over from my first cycle. I'm wondering if it would help me to add the Anavar tomorrow for the remaining 6 weeks and maybe even the Winstrol in the last 3 or 4 weeks. I know they're both seen as cutting steroids and I'm bulking, but I'm wondering if I could add the same amount of muscle but retain less water and get less fat if I add them to the cycle. Do they really inhibit muscle growth when you add them to a cycle that would otherwise be for bulking? Do you guys think I should add them in here at the end or not? I hope I'm explaining this clearly.

Thanks in advance!

U should ask your bloods, not us about continuing orals.
If your enzymes were acceptable, u migth continue.
But i guess u will not bother with mid cycle BW, so then i agree with the guys. Stop after 6 weeks.
But i def do not agree on the winstrol cruise advice. It will just degrade your next run and put extra stress on the system.
A much safer cortisoldefender could be found in mk677. 12.5 mg two times a day works very nice.

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[guitarzan]

I would not bother adding in another oral during this cycle . however, there are many other uses of some orals then simply throwing them in for cycles.

example - when your cycle is over and you go back to your TRT. you can run 25mg a day of Winstrol.
This will help lower cortisol, which is a catabolic hormone. After cycle your cortisol levels are generally going to be pretty elevated as the body is trying to seek homeostasis (meaning its actually trying to lose the muscle you just put on). having high levels of cortisol post cycle is one reason why guys begin to lose gains after their cycle. Winstrol will help you maintain these gains and lower cortisol .
Winstrol will also increase IGF levels, which will act as another anabolic / anti-catabolic , and it also has an affinity to bind to progesterone receptors and blunt 'estrogenic - progestin' type activity on those receptors which is a good thing coming off cycle and back on TRT.
It will also gobble up some SHBG and allow that lower TRT dose of test to do a better job and allow for more 'free' testosterone


so just keep in mind, there are plenty of AAS compounds you can utilize to help maintain gains without having to 'blast' them during or for a cycle only .

Hey gh, I've heard var can do the same thing? And also, I have a friend that's been dealing with prostatitis, would taking a small dose of var help with this? Someone told him it would. I told I thought cialis may would help, but certainly wasnt sure

[Anthony3]

Dino-ball 50 mg a day for four weeks
Sustanon 750 a week for eight weeks starting week one with D-bol
Trenbolone start that after I stopped
d-bol for four weeks 100 milligrams every other day for another four weeks then end off with 4 more week s of Sustanon when to start armidex right from start??

[GearHeaded]

Hey gh, I've heard var can do the same thing? And also, I have a friend that's been dealing with prostatitis, would taking a small dose of var help with this? Someone told him it would. I told I thought cialis may would help, but certainly wasnt sure

well VAR and Winny have some very similar characteristics. I'm not sure to what exact point your asking if they do the same thing.

But in regards to Cortisol, the difference is that Var has anti-catabolic and thus anti cortisol properties, but it does not directly block cortisol production, wheres as Winny blocks the production of Cortisol . This is why when taking Winny after time you get joint and other body pains (some guys just assume this is a 'drying' effect side effect of winny, but its not). The reason is because Cortisol is our natural anti-inflammatory hormone, if we stop its production then things that get used and inflamed easily, like joints, are going to begin to ache.

in regards to SHBG. both var and winny are similar and will both lower shbg and raise free test.

both compounds will increase IGF-1 production in the liver.

only Winny will blunt progesterone receptors, due to its chemical make up and structure similar to that of progesterone .

both var and winny are IMMUNE to the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme, which enzyme is contained in muscle and deactivates the anabolic effects of DHT .. even though both these drugs are dht derived.


as for the prostate. I am NOT informed on how or wither Var would help at all with Prostatis . I would actually assume the opposite. that being Var is a DHT derived class 1 steroid (meaning it works by AR binding) that it may bind to and enlarge prostate .
Winstrol on the other hand is a class 2 steroid (meaning it works part from having to bind to the AR). and 'might' be a better choice for someone with prostate issues.

however, having said that. keep in mind I have zero personal experience or research experience in AAS use and the prostate . Your friend my want to look into supplementing with DIM , diindolylmethane, as it may help his prostatis as well as 'balance out' good and bad estrogen levels (as estogen plays a part in prostate health as well as does androgens and dht)

[guitarzan]

Thanks bro