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10-01-2018, 12:35 PM #1New Member
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My first
Good morning guys,
following the advice I set my first cycle.
I would like to have your opinion and know if it's wrong. In the past I did 3 weeks with testosterone , then I stopped because I was not convinced and I had pain in the glutes.
Week 1-9: testosterone cypio 500mg divided 250mg every 4 days
Week 10 and 12 cycle exit: 250mg text every 7 days
Week 2-14: arimidex 0.25 every 2 days
Week 9-11: HCG 250UI every 3 days
Week 15-18: nolva 40-20-20-20mg x day X 4 week
Week 15-18: clomid 75-50-25-25 x day x 4 week
Creatine: 3-5gr
Omega 3: about 6gr
NAC
Vitamin B
Vitamin D: 2000ui
Vitamin C: 3 gr
In pct lower carbo, high fat and medium protein!
Exams to start, at 6 week, end of the cycle and at the end of the PCT:
Free testosterone
Total testosterone
LH
prolactin
Estradiol (E2)
What do you think?
should I add Proviron ?
Can I do this cycle in winter and cut in summer from natural with more muscles? or in the summer "lose" all winter earnings?
Should I remove something?
Is it true that I can use insulin syringes on the deltoid? they seem really too small to reach the muscle.
What if I'm wrong and hole is a thing?
How do I notice if I have a blood infection? Tell me if it's not clear, my English is not good. Sorry if I ask stupid questions but I'm a noob.
Thanks in advance for your answers.
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10-01-2018, 01:31 PM #2
Looks good but try hcg throughout test administration at 250iu every 3.5 days up to the start of pct.
This will keep your testes from shrinking and keep them in a state that makes restarting natural production more efficient.
Personally I never tapered dosages. Not saying its bad but really unnecessary imo.
Glad to have you here btw.
Its also good to see you have done some studying!
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10-01-2018, 01:34 PM #3
No opinion on proviron
Slin pins will depend on amount of fat. I use .5 inch 29ga. Slin pins on my delts.
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10-01-2018, 03:30 PM #4New Member
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Thanks for the reply! better then bring hcg up until the week before joining PCT? I thought it would take a total standstill period before the PCT. For the proviron I read that it serves to control the estrogen and "dissolve" the testosterone for better results... I do not know if it's just a story! Now my BF is about 13/14% are in a period of mass in which I integrate periods of "mini cut" I try not to exceed 15%
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10-01-2018, 03:58 PM #5BANNED
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Obs is right, run your HCG up until the day you start PCT. it will be there to 'mimic' LH and FSH up until the day your run PCT and start making actual LH and FSH.
As for Proviron . its main benefit is that it has a stronger binding affinity to SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) then does Testosterone (as well as estrogen for that manner) . so what this does is 'free up' more testosterone into the blood stream. so you essentially get more out of the testosterone that you do have .
its best used on cycle to help provide synergy to your cycle. but being it has little to no effect on LH and FSH, it can also be ran up to PCT to help keep free test levels elevated (there is some debate as to wither it can also be ran in PCT itself to help make the small amount of Test you are producing more effective, and thus limit post cycle muscle loss)
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10-02-2018, 02:24 AM #6
Adding proviron will keep your SHBG busy, so there will be more free test doing its job. Its optional, and I like it. Add it if you can.
No need to taper down your dosage in the last two weeks imo.
Split your test to every 3.5 days (hCG , too) not 4 days. Everything else seems fine to me. You did your research, I wish everyone did it, before their first cycle, like you do.
You’ll keep your gains off the cycle, if you train hard and eat like an animal. There are tons of variables that affect muscle retention after a cycle, but do your best and you’ll keep as much as possible.
Good luck!
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10-02-2018, 04:46 AM #7
I would drop your AI and use 500 mg DIM ed instead. Ive tried with 500 mg Omna and surprisingly it work.
AI is bad news for cholestrol and should be used only if needed.
What type of Vit C. I should be liposomal when going so high. Mostly waisted if not.
I also would add a glas of beetrootjuice every morning to reduce BP. Its the very best method there is.
And possible grapefruitjuice to combat elevated hct.
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10-02-2018, 04:57 AM #8
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10-02-2018, 05:28 AM #9
Couple of pubmeds say so. And i have seen it written a couple of other places. And we had discussions on it before.
But how?...Bonaparte said it only may stop clotting but those pubmeds actually said guys went from 55 to 49 within months.
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10-02-2018, 07:06 AM #10
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10-02-2018, 03:40 PM #11New Member
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Thanks for your helps! Thanks The God himself
Yes I've read a lot since I was "cheated" last year! My EX coach sold me testoviron of a poor quality UGL note and proposed a heavy oral cycle. I was not sure, so I decided to study alone (of course for my coach the PCT was superfluous)!
AR's Dr.Silabolin I do not know DIM ... diindolylmethane right? with that you say that I can even discard AI? or better always have it for security? I also thought about using red rice supplements (monacolin k) to control cholesterol, what do you think? vitamin c how much mg do you recommend?
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10-02-2018, 04:00 PM #12
Gonna jump in here and say....
Never discard or discout AI. Until you know your body and even after you know it like clockwork always keep it on hand in case.
I dont use AI but I have it if I need it along eith nolvadex , caber, and othe ancilliaries.
Things change without warning. Always be prepared before cycling or really bad things happen.
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10-02-2018, 10:00 PM #14
Good Q. Its very interessting. I have red grapejuice increases oral uptake on almost everything too. Mayby that includes oral aas.
Never studied it but it migth be the case.
I like do drop my NACpills, DIM, Omega, garlicpills etc etc with a glas of grapes every morning.
So i think it migth me smart. But..cant link to any studies yet
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10-03-2018, 01:46 PM #15
I haven't done my first cycle yet, but one thing I would change is the creatine. I would do that basically any time other than cycling. On test, you're going to put on a lot of water weight and creatine does the same thing (although to a much lesser degree). Instead, if you start taking it after your cycle (or before), that SHOULD cut down on a little of the weight fluctuation due to gaining and losing water weight. It won't make a GIANT difference, but I think every little bit counts. That's my plan anyway.
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10-03-2018, 01:50 PM #16
Also, I wanted to ask about proviron earlier. Is that actually a good idea to add to a first cycle? I understand the benefits somewhat (though haven't done my due diligence on it just yet), but as far as I know, it's basically still an AAS, so I'm sure it could have its own effects separate from test. Shouldn't that be saved for future cycles or do I have that all wrong?
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10-04-2018, 06:52 PM #17New Member
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10-04-2018, 07:37 PM #18Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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Buy an Acne Wash in case you are sensitive to it - two popular choices are Cetaphil and Phisoderm . If you buy from Walmart the generic equivalent is from Equate name brand and it's usually beside them, saves you $$$. Your bloodwork is incomplete, you also should get
- Lipids (HDL, LDL, triglycerides, etc)
- Blood Panel (rbc, hemoglobin, hematocrit, etc)
- FSH
- 25-Hydroxyvitamin D (The reason for this is because being over in Vit D has the same negative effects as being deficient in Vitamin D. Also, Vitamin D is closer to a steroid than it is a Vitamin. So 2000IU could either be useless, not enough, or too much depending on your levels).I no longer check my inbox. If you PM me I will not reply.
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