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Hey guys, I’m currently doing my first cycle ever. I’m running anavar 40mg ED. I plan on doing 4week cycle. For the amount of anavar that I’m taking, how should my PCT be? Thank you in advance. Also I’m not taking an AI as I’ve read that anavar doesn’t aromatize and also I’m not taking a huge amount or for long period of time.
4 week cycle, and no test? What are trying to accomplish? Hope your expectations aren't high...lol
Also, at 21 years old you really shouldn't be taking steroids anyway.
Care to tell us more about yourself?
what are your stats, how long have you've been training, what to you hope to accomplish with this cycle, etc...
Im 21 years old 5’10 215 lbs. about 2 years ago i was at my peak weighing 180lbs lean. I have been working out since I was 15. I finished high school and got a girlfriend... now you know why I gained so much weight. I’ve been trying to cut the weight naturally but it’s just not working, I needed something else which is why I turned to anavarQuote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
not to sound like a jerk, but , if you can't lose a little bit of body fat naturally at 21 years old, when your hormones and metabolism are at their peak, without steroids... what you gonna do the next 50+ years of your life
Okay I can obviously lose the weight on my own naturally. The problem is that I’m a pre-medical student and I work. I can’t focus on the gym the same way I used to. I don’t plan on taking a crazy cycle I just wanted something to aid in the fat loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
during the times in your life that you can't focus on the gym is really the worse time to run an AAS cycle, as you'll reap all the negative side effects and yield very little of the positive side effects (steroids don't work very well unless training and diet are spot on).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcos1997
you may be better off just implementing some lipolytic based supplements or fat burners at this stage to give you a little boost . rather then jumping on an anabolic, getting your HPTA possibly shut down, suppressing your natty test levels and then really struggling after the cycle
I’m going to the gym 5 times a week for around 2 hrs in the morning. I plan on finish this 4 week cycle since I’ve already bought it. My main concern is the pct. i would like to have an idea how many mg of clomid or novaldex I should run after the cycleQuote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
well shit , 10 hours per week is plenty . sounds like you have plenty of focus on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcos1997
For PCT - I'd run HCG the duration of your cycle and 1 week post cycle - 500iu twice per week .
then Clomid in PCT. 50mg per day for 3 weeks.
Clomid and Nolva together in PCT is a great combo, however your only running Var with no test and only 4 weeks. You won't have any aromatization and excess estrogen to worry about, so Nolva is not really essential in this case.
but. I'd still advise you just hold onto the VAR for awhile and train natty for a couple more years and learn to cut with proper diet and training and utilizing other supplements and diet tricks and learn your body before resorting to AAS
Read the link guitarzan posted. 40mg of Anavar for 4 weeks is the anabolic equivalent of flinstone vitamins - you will get very little out of it and gaining weight is from diet. If you fix your diet, drop the 2 hour training into 1 hour cardio 1 hour weights, maybe ECA if your dead set on pharmaceuticals, you will get a lot more out of that than 40mg of Var per day for 4 weeks.
40mg is like Halfway between when females use and a starting point for males, the dose makes no sense along with 4 weeks. Do more research because it's clear you don't know what your doing. Ontop of var being medicore without testosterone.
I was well aware that var at mg that I’m taking is not all that special, specially without the test. I’m not looking to make godly gains or get ripped in a month. My goal at taking var is that through proper nutrition and exercise, var will help me reap amplified results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
for the average AAS user . 40mg of VAR for 4 weeks won't do a ton. you won't see many gym rats dabble with that at all.
however, keep in mind that Var , mg for mg, is 3 times more anabolic then testosterone PLUS it is not capable of being bound by SHBG and rendered useless (like Test is) , and it does not convert to DHT like test does (which DHT is incapable of binding to androgen receptors in muscle tissue and communicating anabolic effects due to the enzyme, 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, which renders DHT inactive. Var being DHT derived and due to its chemical structure is not effected by 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase and can therefore bind where DHT cannot and promote anabolic effects.
so, you have 100mg of Test. on an anabolic rating scale that 100mg is rated at 100 . you have 100mg of Var and its anabolic rating is over 300.
you have that same 100mg of test, and 20% of it gets converted to estrogen and another 20% of it gets converted to DHT. your then left with 60mg of actual test, of which that 60mg a large percentage of that gets bound up by SHBG and cannot illicit any anabolic effects (your left with maybe 20mg of usable test)
Where as with Var , it does not convert to either E or DHT, its not effected by SHBG, so all 100mg of its dose can illicit its anabolic effects without hindrance.
NOW .. take all this and introduce VAR to someone who has never used AAS and whose receptors are 'fresh' and whose diet and training are already spot on . 50mg a Var per day for 6 weeks (no test), can be very very effective. not only is it very effective, it also has very few if any negative side effects. and hpta restart is quite easy. much easier and less side effects then a test only first cycle.
please keep in mind guys,, everything I said above is based on using REAL VAR . I'd venture to say most guys that have run var and consider it weak are running fake shit
So would you recommend var for an athlete looking for just the recovery benefits and not looking to put on a bunch of size? Also heard it can aid with endurance?
ECA, Clen/T3, and ECY are all tools to aid in fat loss - The reality is the program you have proposed is shutting down your natural hormone production for no real gain at 4 weeks. You would be wasting your first cycle. If you are looking for validation that a 4 week 40mg Var cycle is a smart idea, nobody will say it is. The anavar isn't fresh produce, it's got a long shelf life and can easily be used down the line like Gearhead stated. Imagine how frustrated you would be if in 4 weeks if Gearhead was right and you got fake/underdosed Var, providing zero benefit with endocrine shutdown, wasting your time and money. Anavar is one of the most faked oral steroids, and often people recommend Test as a base if only for the fact you have a base and fallback, aside from all the other benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcos1997
If you post your nutrition and training program up there are tons of members here that would be more than happy to help you improve it. The feedback you have been given by everyone in this thread only has your best interest in mind. Unfortunately, the truth doesn't always line up with perceived expectations.
Hopefully you will reconsider, goodluck.
It's OK to run a stand-alone Var cycle without test base mate. I've already used it to maintain my muscle mass while cutting and it did the job WITHOUT TEST (If that's your goal too then no need to stack it with whatsoever).
The only problem with your cycle is its length..it's too short and I'm afraid u won't achieve what you want within 4 weeks (I'd recommend 6 weeks AT LEAST).
Regarding your PCT, use a SERM for few weeks, it will help u restore your HPTA system, otherwise
you're gonna suffer a lot after the cycle.
Keep in mind that Oxandrolone will suppress your natural T -certainly less than other compounds may do- but it will shut u down drastically.
Good Luck
I'm not an advocate of oral only cycles with no test base.
however , it appeals to lots of guys and over the years plenty of guys have done it. it started back in Arnolds day with Dbol only cycles.
so , NOT advisable, I'll go ahead and give an idea of how to do an oral VAR only cycle for gains and recovery. its not ideal , but you oral only guys are not looking for whats optimal or ideal, your making a compromise by not running test.
so you'll use Anavar at 50mg and then 75mg. you'll use HCG and Clomid as well, ON CYCLE. Your going to be staggering your dosages and not running Var every day. we are trying to keep suppression of natty test at a minimum
so it looks like this.
day 1 - Var 50mg
day 2 - Var 50mg
day 3 - Hcg 500iu / Clomid 50mg
day 4 - Var 50mg
day 5 - Var 50mg
day 6 - Hcg 500iu / Clomid 50mg
continue for 6 weeks
you can increase the Var dosage at the midway point. you can also run Proviron with this for added benefits (the small amount of natty test you are producing will be put to optimal use and you'll have more free test available).
you can come right off this cycle with no pct. or you can do a standard PCT of clomid/nolva, but thats not totally necessary.
your way better of running test as a base though and not fooling around with oral only cycles that really are a compromise.
4-6 week burst cycles are the go to cycle of many pro bodybuilders and something I regularly use. Read Marcus 300’s thread on short blast cycles or SBC’s
I don't think only 40mg a day of VAR would constitute a 'burst cycle' for a pro :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kay kay
Traditionally a burst cycle is a fairly hefty dosage, multiple compound, 28 day run. example, 200mg of Test a day for two weeks along with 150mg of Anadrol, followed by 200mg of test per day with 200mg of NPP per day for the next 14 days. for a total burst' of 28 days.
of course. this is all individual and we can do it any which way we please