Almost 6 weeks and still nothing...

[Test Monsterone]

Almost 6 weeks into my cycle of 400mg test (200 cp/200sust) per week and I don't have anything to show for it. I literally look exactly the same as before, in fact I think I put on more fat if anything. This cycle so far has been completely underwhelming. I'm very pissed at my results so far.

I think any effect I thought I felt in the beginning was purely psychological in anticipation of the test kicking in. I am not stronger, I am not bigger, I am not leaner, I am not hornier, I don't have better erections, etc.

The gear is from a top rated source and the cyp came in ampoules, while the sust came in a vial. Both of them look very legit and have the scratch off code that registers on the manufacturer's website (it's a very popular Indian brand). I've been taking .25 mg Arimidex twice a week (day after injection) And around 600 iu of hcg split in two each week.

I emailed the source and mentioned I think this brand is garbage as I am not seeing any results and I've always been an easy gainer. I train like an animal and eat 5 meals of mostly protein and complex carbs/vegetables.

I remember my friends who took pro hormones and other garbage legal steroids and they would get jacked eating nothing but garbage and drinking every night.


WTF I'm so pissed. Anger is the only effect I have lol...

[Couchlockd]

Almost 6 weeks into my cycle of 400mg test (200 cp/200sust) per week and I don't have anything to show for it. I literally look exactly the same as before, in fact I think I put on more fat if anything. This cycle so far has been completely underwhelming. I'm very pissed at my results so far.

I think any effect I thought I felt in the beginning was purely psychological in anticipation of the test kicking in. I am not stronger, I am not bigger, I am not leaner, I am not hornier, I don't have better erections, etc.

The gear is from a top rated source and the cyp came in ampoules, while the sust came in a vial. Both of them look very legit and have the scratch off code that registers on the manufacturer's website (it's a very popular Indian brand). I've been taking .25 mg Arimidex twice a week (day after injection) And around 600 iu of hcg split in two each week.

I emailed the source and mentioned I think this brand is garbage as I am not seeing any results and I've always been an easy gainer. I train like an animal and eat 5 meals of mostly protein and complex carbs/vegetables.

I remember my friends who took pro hormones and other garbage legal steroids and they would get jacked eating nothing but garbage and drinking every night.


WTF I'm so pissed. Anger is the only effect I have lol...

You are allowed to mention labs and post pics.

Lots of top notch labs get counterfeited these days.

Is it thaiger?

[Test Monsterone]

[Test Monsterone]

The unlabeled vial is all the cyp ampoules from another pack.

[Couchlockd]

Shit.

That's actually pharma grade.

Pharmacom store?

Pharma grade manudacturs with a 15% tolerance, so it could be 15% under. Not that that should matter. It should still be showing results by now, especially with sustanon prop component in the mix.

I'm sorry about your gear not working, pm me.

[Arcânn]

I've heard that alpha pharma is the target of a lot of counterfeits since they are a very popular and reputable brand. Although the fact that the codes checked out and nothing's happening is a bit of a concern to me. My aromasin is from alpha pharma.

You said you're almost at 6 weeks, so that means it's almost time for your labwork. Although for the sake of seeing if your gear is legit, I don't think it's too early to get it done now. Labs are the only way to know for certain.

[Test Monsterone]

The thing is I started at 300 mg the first week, bumped it up to 350 the second week, and only got on 400 after the 3rd week... so there may be a slight chance that maybe my blood levels haven't stabilized yet. I'm waiting till 8 weeks to get bloodwork.

[GearHeaded]

quick question - did you happen to buy your alpha pharma gear from a site that advertises that they will take a credit card for payment ?

[Test Monsterone]

quick question - did you happen to buy your alpha pharma gear from a site that advertises that they will take a credit card for payment ?

Nope.

[yeahbuddy289]

Yeah if the verification codes checked out you should have some top notch gear. I’d give it a little more time though before condemning it.

[GearHeaded]

I'm going to invent an at home blood test kit where you just prick your finger and can test your total and free testosterone levels.. I'll be filthy rich. just gotta add it to my iPhone 'to do list' and hope I don't lose my phone and forget to do it

[Couchlockd]

Yeah if the verification codes checked out you should have some top notch gear. I’d give it a little more time though before condemning it.

I don't know man I start getting strength increases within two weeks of starting a long Ester test

He's 6 weeks in either his training isn't what he thinks it is or his diet or he ain't getting enough sleep or he just got some counterfeit shit

[almostgone]

There are A-P fakes around, but they generally don't check out as far as codes. Personally, I'd at least go pull a total/ free T and an E2 at a minimum. You'll know for sure what you have and if may give you a little leverage if your values are crap.

I've been very fortunate with A-P. Always gotten good results.

[Arcânn]

Moral of the story, labs labs labs. Like almostgone said, free and total test and e2 at the minimum. I wouldn't wait until week 8. Even if you were only doing 300mg the entire time, your mid cycle labs would still show a very dramatic difference in T levels compared to your pre-cycle labs, as well as E2 depending on if you're using an AI or not. You need to do that ASAP af. If you wait, you're just going to get more and more frustrated MAINLY because you don't even know if what you're using is good. Save yourself the unnecessary stress and just get it checked now. Otherwise, you may end up continuing the use of bunk gear for no reason. And then if it isn't bunk, you'll know sooner rather than later that the problem is you and not the gear, and you can adjust your diet and training from there.

[AR's King Silabolin]

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[AR's King Silabolin]

Shouldnt be like this. A bloodtest would def prove it, but whats in it for u....

I like to get my gear from the streets over Internet. If u know the source and trust him, u will ask if somebody has tried the same shit.
Its the only way to be sure these days.

My Test now is from Hilma Biocare. Noway i would order Hilma Biocare from Internet. But, i trust the source and he said it was proven good....and it def was.

[Windex]

Don't think the codes registering automatically make it real, could have swapped the internals with fake and had a legit box/label...

[Couchlockd]

Don't think the codes registering automatically make it real, could have swapped the internals with fake and had a legit box/label...

Also does it say how many times the codes were checked?

Should only have been checked the amount of times op checked it.

I've heard of check codes being recycled fir fakes

[Test Monsterone]

Also does it say how many times the codes were checked?

Should only have been checked the amount of times op checked it.

I've heard of check codes being recycled fir fakes

Just ordered a blood test. I hope to be able to get it done tomorrow morning before work. Tomorrow is also my injection day so I will do it before I inject.

[balance]

OP

What do you weigh?
What are you eating?

[Test Monsterone]

OP

What do you weigh?
What are you eating?

I started at around 245 @ ~17% bf.

8 AM - Egg/sausage x 2 with wheat bread in the morning
10:30 AM - Protein bar
12:00 PM - Turkey/ham sandwich (big sandwhich with a lot of meat, whole grain bread)/ Chilli with a lot of meat / goulash with rice, beans, broccoli and ground red meat (low fat).
2:30 PM - Snack/protein bar
5:30 PM - Chicken/mash potatoes/salad/big burger no fries.
7:30 PM - Protein shake
10:00 PM - can of tuna/ teaspoon of lowfat mayo with cucumbers + tomatoes + walnuts / sometimes some bread.

Now I'm about 85% committed to this "diet" but I sometimes sneak in an extra snack or eat a few crackers, whatever.



Scheduled BW Monday - kinda curious, kinda nervous.

[Couchlockd]

I started at around 245 @ ~17% bf. But I'm tall 6'2. Haven't actually weighed myself since I started this cycle so I have no clue what I weigh now. TBH just today I felt a little stronger at the gym and breathed better so maybe that's a sign...

Scheduled BW Monday - kinda curious, kinda nervous.

245 @ 17%

Maybe you just need to up the gear at this point. They say the doses are weight dependant...

Your a big mofo.

[Test Monsterone]

Only geting about 6:30-7 hours of solid sleep tbh except weekends when I get around 8.

[Test Monsterone]

245 @ 17%

Maybe you just need to up the gear at this point. They say the doses are weight dependant...

Your a big mofo.

Yeah this might be the case. Kinda why I went up from 350 to 400 - but tomorrow morning I'm pinning 300 sust 200 cyp. Trying to compensate the sust since pretty much 1/4 of the sust is short acting test that is in and out in a few days.

[Couchlockd]

Yeah this might be the case. Kinda why I went up from 350 to 400 - but tomorrow morning I'm pinning 300 sust 200 cyp. Trying to compensate the sust since pretty much 1/4 of the sust is short acting test that is in and out in a few days.

Maybe it's time for the 750 mark plus another compound?

[Test Monsterone]

Sh!t man that sounds lovely, but I'm trying to see how little I can take without affecting my BP too much.

[GearHeaded]

Sh!t man that sounds lovely, but I'm trying to see how little I can take without affecting my BP too much.

thats sounds like way too 'responsible' of a plan and outlook to me . I say go ahead and slam the BP meds now and triple your gear usage !!

Joking

[< <Samson> >]

Pharmacom is not HG, but we love to think so


Get blood work, it'll help - I had a total test count of 3,850 when I thought my juice was fake because I pretty much noticed nothing

[Test Monsterone]

Pharmacom is not HG, but we love to think so


Get blood work, it'll help - I had a total test count of 3,850 when I thought my juice was fake because I pretty much noticed nothing

That might be the case. Today I weighed myself at the gym and I’m 255, up from around 245-250 where I normally oscillate. I have read that with Sustanon especially the changes are very subtle and take time. On my frame 10 lbs is barely noticeable and I’m not feeling much mentally and I’m not at all hornier so who knows.

[Windex]

What did the blood work say...

Despite your size going from Low T to even a TRT dose would have had a noticeable impact by now in atleast a couple of criteria

[Test Monsterone]

I didn't do the bloodwork yet. I was gonna have it done tomorrow morning but last night I got plastered with some friends watching the Connor vs Khabib fight and I decided to cancel tomorrow's lab appointment so I don't get skewed bw results. I am testing more than just test/estradiol (RBC, hematocrit, lipids, prolactin, and a few others). Will reschedule for Friday - I will post results.

[Test Monsterone]

Got back my results. Took the test an hour before my injection on Friday (Mon night / Friday morning routine). The gear is not fake. I had a feeling I was gonna fall somewhere between 1600-2000.

To summarize: my liver enzymes are a little high, probably due to getting drunk on Sat night. Testosterone (Free + Total LC/MS) is 1919.3 (264 - 916). Free testosterone is 43.9 (8.7 - 25.1). Estradiol is 49 (8 - 35). SHGB is good at 21 (16.5 - 55.0). Interestingly my blood sugar is down to 86 from 98-99 for my last two blood tests (all fasted 12 hours).

Question now becomes, is the elevated estrogen really a problem? I'm not seeing any noticeable water retention, and my face easily gets puffy with just a poor diet normally. No itchy nipples, or anything out of the ordinary. Libido is normal, as before. Not feeling any "I'd screw anything" feelings. Work dress/business casual shirts are feeling tighter in the back and chest. I put on about 7-8 lbs so far.

I bumped up to 500 mg the day of the test, from 450.

The test was taken at the end of week 8. Currently on week 9. Remember I tapered up from 150 the first week to 500 by the last week . I went 150/ 300 / 400 / 450/ 500. Pretty much hit a number each week except for 400mg, when I did that for 3 weeks. I'm guessing my test results were based only 400 mg/week considering the ramp up.

[GearHeaded]

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Test 1919
Estradiol is 49
Question now becomes, is the elevated estrogen really a problem? I'm not seeing any noticeable water retention, and my face easily gets puffy with just a poor diet normally. No itchy nipples, or anything out of the ordinary. Libido is normal,

What elevated estrogen ? Your estradiol is 49 while your test is 1919. I actually think your E is a little bit low. As your test levels go above range your E levels should follow...

the "normal range" of estrogen on a blood test is for 'NATURALS' or for guys on TRT trying to stay within normal range. not for enhanced AAS users.

As your test gets to supra-physiological levels (above natural limits, ie, above normal) your E gets above natural/normal as well. especially if you want to grow.

good to hear your gear is not fake , but yeah your estrogen is not high at all or something you should worry about.. in fact if your taking an AI to keep E down, and your having trouble growing (like you said you were) then you may want to dump your AI and let your blood levels of Estrogen come up higher

[Windex]

Got back my results. Took the test an hour before my injection on Friday (Mon night / Friday morning routine). The gear is not fake. I had a feeling I was gonna fall somewhere between 1600-2000.

To summarize: my liver enzymes are a little high, probably due to getting drunk on Sat night. Testosterone (Free + Total LC/MS) is 1919.3 (264 - 916). Free testosterone is 43.9 (8.7 - 25.1). Estradiol is 49 (8 - 35). SHGB is good at 21 (16.5 - 55.0). Interestingly my blood sugar is down to 86 from 98-99 for my last two blood tests (all fasted 12 hours).

Question now becomes, is the elevated estrogen really a problem? I'm not seeing any noticeable water retention, and my face easily gets puffy with just a poor diet normally. No itchy nipples, or anything out of the ordinary. Libido is normal, as before. Not feeling any "I'd screw anything" feelings. Work dress/business casual shirts are feeling tighter in the back and chest. I put on about 7-8 lbs so far.

I bumped up to 500 mg the day of the test, from 450.

The test was taken at the end of week 8. Currently on week 9. Remember I tapered up from 150 the first week to 500 by the last week . I went 150/ 300 / 400 / 450/ 500. Pretty much hit a number each week except for 400mg, when I did that for 3 weeks. I'm guessing my test results were based only 400 mg/week considering the ramp up.

Gear seems underdosed to me from your free Test score at 450mg per week. I get higher from TRT.

Total test score is not really relevant.

[GearHeaded]

Gear seems underdosed to me from your free Test score at 450mg per week. I get higher from TRT.

Total test score is not really relevant.

his total test is 2x normal, and his free test is nearly 2x normal (ie, 44 with a range of 8-25). seems about right for 450mg of test a week to me, especially if he's not taking Proviron or something with it to drive down SHBG and drive up free test.
its not "spectacular" but definitely acceptable imo

[Test Monsterone]

What elevated estrogen ? Your estradiol is 49 while your test is 1919. I actually think your E is a little bit low. As your test levels go above range your E levels should follow...

the "normal range" of estrogen on a blood test is for 'NATURALS' or for guys on TRT trying to stay within normal range. not for enhanced AAS users.

As your test gets to supra-physiological levels (above natural limits, ie, above normal) your E gets above natural/normal as well. especially if you want to grow.

good to hear your gear is not fake , but yeah your estrogen is not high at all or something you should worry about.. in fact if your taking an AI to keep E down, and your having trouble growing (like you said you were) then you may want to dump your AI and let your blood levels of Estrogen come up higher

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm taking 0.5 mg a week split in two doses.

Gear seems underdosed to me from your free Test score at 450mg per week. I get higher from TRT.

Total test score is not really relevant.

If you get higher from TRT, that's not TRT

Weren't you saying how a big percentage of the Sustanon is wasted as it's short ester? And being that I was essentially 3.5 days away from my next shot, I would be at a trough anyways. Not the highest levels, I admit, but much better than where I was with a natty 470 ng/dl.

I have to re-order soon so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the Alpha Pharma or get something else, likely UGL?

[Test Monsterone]

his total test is 2x normal, and his free test is nearly 2x normal (ie, 44 with a range of 8-25). seems about right for 450mg of test a week to me, especially if he's not taking Proviron or something with it to drive down SHBG and drive up free test.
its not "spectacular" but definitely acceptable imo

I also forgot to mention I'm taking 500 iu of HCG a week. So that should also bring my test levels up some. Maybe Windex is a little right. It has me questioning the product since it was on sale months ago, and still is. It's selling for less than UGL and it's Pharma. Maybe a bad batch and they just want to get rid of it? $50/10ml Sustanon/Cypionate at 250mg/ml - and then another 30% off coupon. So I'm only paying ~ $35 per bottle. This source started carrying SIS labs and I checked with SIS and they confirmed the source is legit. Can anyone recommend them?

[Arcânn]

I've heard people say good things about SIS. But alpha is supposed to be that good shit. Definitely something fishy about ALPHA, of all brands, being $35 per bottle. I think a discount UGL would probably be ~$45 per bottle.

[Windex]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm taking 0.5 mg a week split in two doses.








If you get higher from TRT, that's not TRT

Weren't you saying how a big percentage of the Sustanon is wasted as it's short ester? And being that I was essentially 3.5 days away from my next shot, I would be at a trough anyways. Not the highest levels, I admit, but much better than where I was with a natty 470 ng/dl.

I have to re-order soon so now I'm wondering if I should stick to the Alpha Pharma or get something else, likely UGL?

I would never order international there is no benefit only risk. As bias as I am to pharmagrade I would still buy UGL domestically over international pharma even if it was coming right from the pharmacy.

Pharma Domestic > UGL Domestic > Homebrew > International.

I also don't go above my TRT even when cycling.

Yes you are wasting 36% of Sustanon250 by pinning twice per week.

[Test Monsterone]

I would never order international there is no benefit only risk. As bias as I am to pharmagrade I would still buy UGL domestically over international pharma even if it was coming right from the pharmacy.

Pharma Domestic > UGL Domestic > Homebrew > International.

I also don't go above my TRT even when cycling.

Yes you are wasting 36% of Sustanon250 by pinning twice per week.

Almost all of the domestic stuff I’ve seen looks shady to me. The bottles look like a 3rd grader made them. The prices are 2x Pharma overseas. If you have some legit domestic sources feel free to PM me.