1st cycle advice : Sustanon Deca Dbol?

[bluelife93]

Hi brothers
I'm planning to start my first ever Bulking cycle with the following stack:

Sustanon 250

Deca durabolin

Dianabol

Pct: Pregnyl and nolvadex
Any advice?

I'm 25yo, 5'9 currently 165lbs (just finished cutting from 190lbs)
Been lifting for a year and a half.
I already took my decision to get on steroids, so please let me know what you think of this first cycle?
I initially wanted to do a test only cycle but my local dealer who happens to be a trainer and a ifbb pro advised me to go with this for more effective results.

Thanks in advance.

[GearHeaded]

you need to list out your weekly dosages, injection protocol and time frame .. just listing a few different steroids without telling us how you plan on taking them is not a steroid cycle .

however after you have taken the time to do that , its highly unlikely anyone here is going to advise you to take all 3 of those compounds for a first cycle. only a dealer would

[bluelife93]

you need to list out your weekly dosages, injection protocol and time frame .. just listing a few different steroids without telling us how you plan on taking them is not a steroid cycle .

however after you have taken the time to do that , its highly unlikely anyone here is going to advise you to take all 3 of those compounds for a first cycle. only a dealer would

I'm going to run it for 12weeks as follow

Sustanon 400mg per week for 12 weeks
Deca 200mg per week for 10 weeks
Dbol 30mg everyday for 6 weeks

Then pct after 2 weeks of last injection

[CAADsprint]

I'm going to run it for 12weeks as follow

Sustanon 400mg per week for 12 weeks
Deca 200mg per week for 10 weeks
Dbol 30mg everyday for 6 weeks

Then pct after 2 weeks of last injection

Drop Deca. It shuts your down on the first injection and could seriously damage/hinder your natural testosterone levels. It's an amazing one but read up on what deca does to natural testosterone levels after a cycle and PCT. I'm serious. Dbol is great but suggesting a test only cycle isn't also because it's your first go around. It's to gauge how you respond to sides and combating them.

You should be pulling blood work before, during and after monitoring your hormone levels, liver toxicity, thickness of blood. It's a great way to see if you need to up or lower your aromatose inhibitors or switch them.

Speaking of wich. I don't see any aromatose inhibitors. Pick one to run during cycle to limit the amount of estrogen your body will produce on cycle. HCG is recommended. Read on low dosing HCG during cycle then ramping up HCG up too PCT date.


Cycling is like going to college. Your actual cycle is your semester where you study, have fun and do homework...... PCT is your final exam date and no matter how much hard work you put into your cycle. If you fail you exam (pct). It was all for nothing.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I'm going to run it for 12weeks as follow

Sustanon 400mg per week for 12 weeks
Deca 200mg per week for 10 weeks
Dbol 30mg everyday for 6 weeks

Then pct after 2 weeks of last injection

10 weeks isn't really long enough for Deca, and it will shut your HPTA down hard, you'll feel the recovery from that for awhile. What's your PCT plan? What about running HCG during cycle?
Another issue with running Deca, is because it's a 19 nor steroid it can cause progesterone issues, and because this is your first cycle, it will be hard for you to tell which compound is causing what.

If you only run test, and you have estrogen issues, you will know what's causing it because it can only be the test.

Now if you get through a whole test cycle and find you're not particularly prone to estrogen issues, then try it with the dianabol the next time. They aromatize pretty hard, so chances are you will have some estrogen conversion, but you'll learn what to look for, and how to deal with it properly

Then once you have that figured out if, on the next cycle, you took test and deca, and had side effects you didn't have on the test alone, you would know that most likely it was the deca causing it.

You will see plenty of results from test alone, Hell run the dbol if you really want, but I really wouldn't bother with the deca. Not for 10 weeks, and not for the recovery time, later down the road when you want to run a 16-20 week cycle, and you're pretty well committed to the idea of TRT for the rest of your life... sure.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I would also like to point out that Testosterone only cycles, work well and make you feel amazing with nothing else added in. Everyone's always so quick to try and juggle multiple compounds, and they have their place no doubt.

But even many cycles in, A good high dose test only cycle will pack on size, strength, and a feeling of well being that a lot of other compounds replace with a toxic feeling. Lethargic, unable to sleep, decreased appetite, etc. etc.

Testosterone always makes me feel goooood

[Obs]

Totally agree with cougars and others.
Its honestly a waste of gear too.
Even with perfect diet and training AAS can only do so much. You don't require that much to grow like a weed.

You want to keep dosages at max potential for growth and not exceed that. For a first cycle 500mg will give you all you need. You will have the test levels of three or four guys. Thats a lot. Your body will grow as much as you can feed and train it off that.

[CAADsprint]

If you're set on at the least using dbol then definitely keep either arimadex or aromosin within your cycle, it wouldn't hurt to keep some Letro or Raloxifene on hand either. If for any reason you you develop gyno you'll be happy you did. Keeping extra nolvadex might be handy as well since it can combat gyno and you'll end up using any extra on later cycles in life.

I second the commitment into trt. Make sure your sure if your really ready.

[Obs]

Btw I have exceeded my dosage needs in the past. I laid in a cold shower gagging to the point of blacking out every time I got hot/winded.

Gh helped me figure out that my tren and anadrol combo was just too much. After I lowered the dosage of the adrol I was g2g. It seriously sucked bad. I cost myself a few weeks of training and wasted hundreds in gear for no reason other than I thought it would help me grow.

[bluelife93]

Thank you guys for your helpful opinions
Quick question
Can I use the sustanon alone then?
And save the Deca and Dbol for my second cycle? Because I already bought the gear..
In terms of pct, I only got nolvadex right now

[Capebuffalo]

Test only first cycle 500 mg pw 12-14 weeks
Hcg
Ai on hand

Pct
Clomid and Novla

[Back In Black]

Read this, it explains everything

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

NEVER take cycle advice from your dealer no matter who they are.

Personally I think you are on the light side to be cycling. You should really add 10-15lbs before you do but I know the impetuousness of youth so I doubt you will.

Make sure your diet is fixed, head to the nutrition section. No AAS will make up for poor diet.

And yes, your deca and Dbol, kept on a cool dark place, will last just fine.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Guys guys guys..ur not accurate..his first BULKING cycle he said. I pretend that as if he already has done 1-2 cutting cycles.

But..lifting for a year and a half?..165 pounds?....cycling then would not be textbook. We like to give textbook advices. Because we play safe. Train naturally for 5 years. Reach your natty potential. Kind of hard if u have already used them but...i think u get it.

[Obs]

Thank you guys for your helpful opinions
Quick question
Can I use the sustanon alone then?
And save the Deca and Dbol for my second cycle? Because I already bought the gear..
In terms of pct, I only got nolvadex right now

Yes.
Rather than run deca on the second cycle I would run a 500-750 test cycle depending on how well you handle the 500 and add in the dbol for second cycle. Third start into nandrolone (deca). I would recommend npp though. Same results faster with npp and it leaves your system faster.

Good luck and I hope you have a great cycle. Most likely you will love it,

[bluelife93]

Thanks a lot for your considerate opinions. I really appreciate it.
I know it's better to wait a few more years but I already took my decision and I'm fully aware of the risks and everything.
This is gonna be my first cycle.. I've never used steroids before.. What encourages me is the results I've seen from my two gym buddies who happened to run this exact cycle as their first from the same dealer, so I assumed it would be optimal to go for it rather than a test only cycle.
I know I'm inpatient but I'm pretty sure, yall understand..

So right now, put in mind I already have the gear in hand.. Can I use sustanon only for 12 weeks (500mg per week).. Because I don't have test right now and I can't get it.

Here are a few pictures of my current shape to give you a better idea..

My diet will be well calculated and I'll be putting my blood, sweat and tears in the gym.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

So right now, put in mind I already have the gear in hand.. Can I use sustanon only for 12 weeks (500mg per week).. Because I don't have test right now and I can't get it.

Sustanon is Testosterone...

[bluelife93]

Sustanon is Testosterone...

I know that..
I meant to say I don't have "test e" because the guys above were advising so.

[Arcânn]

Without taking the time to read these other replies, I'm just gonna say that whoever advised you to take DECA on a FIRST cycle, is trying to f*** you in the ass to get a few bucks off of you with no consideration as to how it's going to affect you. Dbol is also a bad idea on a first cycle m but I've seen people do that and turn out fine. Not as bad of an idea as Deca, but still not very wise.

Do you mean pregnyl as in HCG? If so, you don't want to use that in PCT as it is suppressive to your HPTA. Only use that on cycle.

Noladex AND clomid need to be PCT for your first go-round. At least figure out how they affect you.

Do some reading on the forums here, there's a lot of great stickies. Don't listen to the person trying to make money off of you. It's better to listen to the people here who literally have nothing to gain from helping you (other than a sense of satisfaction). The advice is a lot more likely to be helpful.

[Windex]

If you want the honest truth - you need to post your current meal program including all the food and quantities along with your TDEE. The pictures you posted are clear evidence you haven't mastered eating yet because there's a lot of missed potential and opportunity.

By having the members help you improve your nutrition, you won't be wasting your time and money over your cycle.

Also, don't worry about how other people respond to cycles, it's going to jade your expectations. Everyone is different and responds differently. Their results have zero impact on your success and goals.

In the future, I would not use Sustanon either, it's arguably the worst version of Testosterone

[Aerospace]

It's the original bulking cycle. You'll love it. Make sure to run an AI on cycle, especially with dianabol it'll aromatise... be ready. I would say consider Test Ethanate instead of Sustanon, but Sust will work great too.

Some might say it's too much for a first cycle, but forget it. Run it. If you run into deca dick you'll need a DHT-compound like Masteron or Proviron to combat deca dick.

[bluelife93]

It's the original bulking cycle. You'll love it. Make sure to run an AI on cycle, especially with dianabol it'll aromatise... be ready. I would say consider Test Ethanate instead of Sustanon, but Sust will work great too.

Some might say it's too much for a first cycle, but forget it. Run it. If you run into deca dick you'll need a DHT-compound like Masteron or Proviron to combat deca dick.

I guess I'm gonna ditch the deca for a later use and go for a sus cycle only..
Let's see how my body will react to it

Thanks a lot for your precious help guys.