First cycle suggestions

**Mr. Loving** · 10-15-2018, 02:38 PM

Hi,

I'm 31 and I used prohormones plenty of times but never injectable roids. I was thinking of running a first cycle of test E and Winny.
I'm 6'3
240 lbs
17% BF.

My goal is to add a few pounds of muscle back while dropping the little bit of bf I picked up after my knee surgery back in November of last year. I'm new here so I'm not sure if I'm out of line asking for recommendation of dosages so excuse me if I am. Any input would truly be helpful.

Thank you

**GearHeaded** · 10-15-2018, 03:45 PM

well you got a lot of research to do before you take the plunge. but I'll skip ahead several chapters here and give you an example protocol

weeks 1-10
test e - 400mg per week
weeks 8-12
winstrol - 25mg per day

weeks 2-10
hcg - 250iu 2x per week
weeks 11-12
hcg - 500iu 3x per week

Weeks 9-12
AI arimidex - .5mg 3x per week

then start PCT of Nolva/clomid . have extra Nolva in case you need to run it on cycle if estrogen sides like gyno come up. but at only 400mg of test per week E control shouldn't be a major factor (especially if you want to grow) except towards the end of your cycle (at the end of your cycle is when you need Estrogen to come down in order to transition into PCT .. this is also why you'll runny your Winny at the end, its not estrogenic)

**Mr. Loving** · 10-15-2018, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

well you got a lot of research to do before you take the plunge. but I'll skip ahead several chapters here and give you an example protocol

weeks 1-10
test e - 400mg per week
weeks 8-12
winstrol - 25mg per day

weeks 2-10
hcg - 250iu 2x per week
weeks 11-12
hcg - 500iu 3x per week

Weeks 9-12
AI arimidex - .5mg 3x per week

then start PCT of Nolva/clomid . have extra Nolva in case you need to run it on cycle if estrogen sides like gyno come up. but at only 400mg of test per week E control shouldn't be a major factor (especially if you want to grow) except towards the end of your cycle (at the end of your cycle is when you need Estrogen to come down in order to transition into PCT .. this is also why you'll runny your Winny at the end, its not estrogenic)

Appreciate it man. I feel like I've been researching for a minute and getting nowhere. LOL there's so much to learn.

**Windex** · 10-15-2018, 03:50 PM

Read this

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

**Mr. Loving** · 10-15-2018, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

Read this

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

Yeah I read that. That's why I went with Test E. I kinda needed a gauge for Winny.

**Windex** · 10-15-2018, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Loving

Yeah I read that. That's why I went with Test E. I kinda needed a gauge for Winny.

What kind of condition is your knee in ? Winny is infamous for being hard on the joints.

Would recommend just running Test by itself like the link suggests. Add an oral the second time, marathon not a race. You are going to need Testosterone for every single cycle so it's in your best interest to know how your body handles it without other factors. The goal of adding a few lbs of muscle (say 3lbs) and losing a few lbs of fat (3lbs) is very realistic and achievable on Test E alone.

**Mr. Loving** · 10-15-2018, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

What kind of condition is your knee in ? Winny is infamous for being hard on the joints.

Would recommend just running Test by itself like the link suggests. Add an oral the second time, marathon not a race. You are going to need Testosterone for every single cycle so it's in your best interest to know how your body handles it without other factors. The goal of adding a few lbs of muscle (say 3lbs) and losing a few lbs of fat (3lbs) is very realistic and achievable on Test E alone.

My knee actually has been feeling great since beginning of Spring/Summer. I know with the cold weather it will probably bring some aches but It's fully healed and no problem. I look into just test E.

**GearHeaded** · 10-15-2018, 08:05 PM

I'm just going to throw a thought or an opinion out here just for the heck of it.

ok, just cause you have more then one of something does not make it somehow more dangerous. heres an example
- a motorcycle has two wheels
- a car has four wheels

being a car has twice as many wheels as a motorcycle then there is perhaps twice as much going on, twice as many complexities, 4 connection points to the road, 4 tires to possible have a blow out , etc etc..

so really a car should be more difficult and have more 'side effects' because theres so much more going on.. BUT this is not the truth . just the opposite . the car with much more going on and more complexity makes driving actually easier and safer and easier to control.

likewise with some AAS cycles imo.

say you have 600mg of test only cycle.. (very basic, only 'two wheels' to worry about) that should be 'simpler' and less side effects then a more complex multiple wheel cycle like,, 300mg of test with 50mg Winstrol per day or VAR or Tbol. but this second cycle is like the car, sure it has more complexity and more wheels and things going on, but its actually safer and going to provide less side effects, better results, easier to control etc etc..

I can break it down and explain why.. but really was just throwing this opinion and thought of mine out there