Test P + Anavar 8 week cycle

[hardgainrock]

Hi guys,

Second cycle ever. This time I’m gonna go for a 8 week Test P and Anavar cycle.
Any good protocols with dosages and PCT? I have hCG available. Also should I take arimidex ? 25mg eod?

Thanks. Cheers.

[GearHeaded]

weeks 1-8
test prop - 50mg per day
Var - 50mg per day

weeks 5-9
Adex .5mg 3x per week
HCG - 250iu 3x per week, then 500iu 3x per week the last two weeks

then
Start pct comid/nolva

[Windex]

You haven't given enough information for us to properly help you.

- Height, weight, bodyfat%, age?

- What is your goal ?

- What did your first cycle look like and what were the results?

- Have you done bloodwork since finishing PCT on your first cycle? If so what it look like. If not then you need to do a full panel.

- 25mg of Arimidex would probably kill you. I assume you meant 0.25mg? You don't need EOD AI, low estrogen is worse/equally as bad as than estrogen. Controlling estrogen isn't one size fits all. Start with twice per week and adjust as necessary. Use bloodwork to guide you. The dose of AI is also correlated to the amount of Test and other compounds.

- Yes you need HCG , every cycle regardless of compounds.

- What is your plan for nutrition?

- Are you on any medication that would interfere with taking an oral steroid ?

- PCT is going to be the cookie cutter Tamoxifen + Clomid

- Prop is going to be somewhere around 300-400mg per week

- Anavar around 40-60mg per day

- Did you run Test E/C the first cycle? If so then you are use to pinning twice per week. Most people don't like pinning every single day which is what would be ideal on Test Prop. Something to consider.

[GearHeaded]

You haven't given enough information for us to properly help you.

- Height, weight, bodyfat%, age?

the cycle listed below should work no matter if your 5'2" tall or 6'2" tall , 160 pounds or 250 pounds, 5% bf or 20% bf, 25 years old or 55 years old..

weeks 1-8
test prop - 50mg per day
Var - 50mg per day

weeks 5-9
Adex .5mg 3x per week
HCG - 250iu 3x per week, then 500iu 3x per week the last two weeks

then
Start pct comid/nolva

just giving you a hard time windex

[hardgainrock]

You haven't given enough information for us to properly help you.

- Height, weight, bodyfat%, age?

- What is your goal ?

- What did your first cycle look like and what were the results?

- Have you done bloodwork since finishing PCT on your first cycle? If so what it look like. If not then you need to do a full panel.

- 25mg of Arimidex would probably kill you. I assume you meant 0.25mg? You don't need EOD AI, low estrogen is worse/equally as bad as than estrogen. Controlling estrogen isn't one size fits all. Start with twice per week and adjust as necessary. Use bloodwork to guide you. The dose of AI is also correlated to the amount of Test and other compounds.

- Yes you need HCG , every cycle regardless of compounds.

- What is your plan for nutrition?

- Are you on any medication that would interfere with taking an oral steroid ?

- PCT is going to be the cookie cutter Tamoxifen + Clomid

- Prop is going to be somewhere around 300-400mg per week

- Anavar around 40-60mg per day

- Did you run Test E/C the first cycle? If so then you are use to pinning twice per week. Most people don't like pinning every single day which is what would be ideal on Test Prop. Something to consider.

Thanks for your answers guys. My last and first cycle was a 13 week deca sust combo. Gained around 10kgs. Did hCG (started at week 8, my bad I know but in the end everything went fine) and PCT after it with clomid and tamoxifen. Recovery went great, just my ability to orgasm got a bit harder, but now I’m fine. Did blood work and got the results checked by a doctor. Libido is perfectly right back to normal after 6 or 7 months. After the cycle I went for a natural cut (very slowly) and shredded off 5 kgs, I’m leaner than before the cycle, so I guess I must have gained 6/7kgs or lean mass during the cycle.

This second cycle will be my last in a long time because I want to make babies after it counting a year from now. The idea is to get the most out of this cycle.

I’m 31 years old (almost 32), with a bf of 8/9% I believe, currently 83kgs at 1.76m. The idea is to shred a bit more for a few weeks and then do a mini-bulk to get 3 or 4 kgs or lean mass in the scale.

No issue with pinning whatsoever. I kinda liked it at some point during last cycle (call me a masochist).

Regarding arimidex you’re right, I meant 0.25mg.

[hardgainrock]

Guys, can you please review my cycle and PCT? I'm thinking about going for 10 weeks, but with Test Prop only for the last 2.

Weeks 1-10:
Test Prop - 150mg EOD
Anavar - 50mg ED (exception are weeks 9-10, when I stop taking Var)
hCG - 250IU 2x a week

Weeks 5-11:
Arimidex - 0.5mg 3x a week
(I know I have gyno issues from previous experience. Last cycle I started feeling sore nipples at week 7 with Sust and Deca . Nolva by itself solved the issue, but this time I'm using AI.)


3 days after last Test P shot I start Clomid and Toremifen PCT protocol (Toremifen is what I have available):
Weeks 11-14 (6 Week PCT):
Clomid 50mg ED week 11 and 25mg weeks 12-14
Toremifen 40mg ED week 11 and 20mg weeks 12-14

Or 6 week PCT would be better? Last time I did 6 weeks, with same protocol above (using Tamoxifen instead). Worked great.

Do you think it would be beneficial for me to also use Tren Ace at 150mg/week during 6 weeks? I have one vial available.

[Windex]

Using Deca on a first cycle was a mistake - and no you shouldn't be using Tren in your second or even third cycle.

Given that you've run Deca and are not on TRT you should do bloodwork and see where your levels are at before anything. If they are low/mid-low then be prepared for the possibility of TRT in the future.

4kg of muscle is not going to happen on your 10 week cycle. The body can only make and maintain so much muscle tissue so fast.


I would suggest looking at bodyfat % pictures, use calipers, or a DEXA scan to get an accurate idea of what your bodyfat % really is and look at before/after pictures in the member's section. Something like a 3lb muscle gain+3 lb fat loss in a 10 week cycle is a huge transformation. It's important for realistic expectations so you can accurately track progress and set yourself up for success. Moreover, it's important to have longterm goals and have a plan in place. Outside of genetics being uncontrollable, the amount of gains you keep is going to be determined by your nutrition, training, and sleep. Falling short is going to translate in losing whatever you gained in those 10 weeks.

[GearHeaded]

Clomid 50mg ED week 11 and 25mg weeks 12-14
Toremifen 40mg ED week 11 and 20mg weeks 12-14

your PCT dosages are too low , imo. also your dosing Torem in a similar fashion as you would Tamox, but Torem dosing is usually much higher then Tamox/nolva (nearly twice)

[hardgainrock]

Using Deca on a first cycle was a mistake - and no you shouldn't be using Tren in your second or even third cycle.

Given that you've run Deca and are not on TRT you should do bloodwork and see where your levels are at before anything. If they are low/mid-low then be prepared for the possibility of TRT in the future.

4kg of muscle is not going to happen on your 10 week cycle. The body can only make and maintain so much muscle tissue so fast.


I would suggest looking at bodyfat % pictures, use calipers, or a DEXA scan to get an accurate idea of what your bodyfat % really is and look at before/after pictures in the member's section. Something like a 3lb muscle gain+3 lb fat loss in a 10 week cycle is a huge transformation. It's important for realistic expectations so you can accurately track progress and set yourself up for success. Moreover, it's important to have longterm goals and have a plan in place. Outside of genetics being uncontrollable, the amount of gains you keep is going to be determined by your nutrition, training, and sleep. Falling short is going to translate in losing whatever you gained in those 10 weeks.

Dude, I went with Deca mostly because of joint issues I was suffering at that time. I don’t regret it at all, since those joint issues are mostly gone. Recovery was easy and libido now is much better than previously to that cycle.

Regarding gains, the scale went up by almost 11kgs. Now that I’ve cut 7kgs (naturally) and judging from looking into the mirror, I truly believe from those 11kgs, around 7 were lean mass. And I got post cycle blood work checked by an endocrinologist which told me everything was OK.

I really don’t understand why there is so many people afraid of Deca.

[hardgainrock]

your PCT dosages are too low , imo. also your dosing Torem in a similar fashion as you would Tamox, but Torem dosing is usually much higher then Tamox/nolva (nearly twice)

Sure, I will double the Clomid and Toremifen dosages. 4 weeks will be ok or do you feel extending only the Toremifen for 2 additional weeks will be beneficial?

Again, thanks.

[Windex]

Dude, I went with Deca mostly because of joint issues I was suffering at that time. I don’t regret it at all, since those joint issues are mostly gone. Recovery was easy and libido now is much better than previously to that cycle.

Regarding gains, the scale went up by almost 11kgs. Now that I’ve cut 7kgs (naturally) and judging from looking into the mirror, I truly believe from those 11kgs, around 7 were lean mass. And I got post cycle blood work checked by an endocrinologist which told me everything was OK.

I really don’t understand why there is so many people afraid of Deca.

A Doctor telling you blood work is fine and actually seeing the results are two different things. Your prolactin could be 19 on a range of 12-20 and he would tell you it's okay because it's in range. Your free testosterone could be 301 on a range of 300-700 with total testosterone at high end and he would tell you okay when free test is what's important not total testosterone (arbitrary numbers), and that's even assuming prolactin was checked. A basic bloodwork panel is going to leave out important hormones or other non-hormone markers unless specifically requested.

If your bloodwork was done earlier than 6-8 weeks finishing the PCT it won't even be accurate to begin with.

Deca isn't recommended in a first cycle because

(1) you are shut down from the very first short making it the hardest to recover from

(2) it's very strong, and steroids have a ceiling. Starting with one of the strongest steroids gives signifcantly less leverage for future.

(3) you will test positive on a drug test for the next 12 (or more) months, which can be a factor depending on a persons lifestyle or employment

(4) high estrogen and high prolactin share similar side effects - running both a 19nor and test at the beginning makes it difficult to deduce how you respond to either accurately


In terms of weight, the scale is the biggest misconception and illusion for bodybuilding.

It doesn't show water retention.
It doesn't show bodyfat %
It doesn't show body measurements
It doesn't show strength or endurance changes
It doesn't show how full or depleted muscle glycogen is
It doesn't show muscle blood volume


Best of luck on your cycle.

[GearHeaded]

Sure, I will double the Clomid and Toremifen dosages. 4 weeks will be ok or do you feel extending only the Toremifen for 2 additional weeks will be beneficial?

Again, thanks.

I'd go with 4 weeks

[hardgainrock]

A Doctor telling you blood work is fine and actually seeing the results are two different things. Your prolactin could be 19 on a range of 12-20 and he would tell you it's okay because it's in range. Your free testosterone could be 301 on a range of 300-700 with total testosterone at high end and he would tell you okay when free test is what's important not total testosterone (arbitrary numbers), and that's even assuming prolactin was checked. A basic bloodwork panel is going to leave out important hormones or other non-hormone markers unless specifically requested.

If your bloodwork was done earlier than 6-8 weeks finishing the PCT it won't even be accurate to begin with.

Deca isn't recommended in a first cycle because

(1) you are shut down from the very first short making it the hardest to recover from

(2) it's very strong, and steroids have a ceiling. Starting with one of the strongest steroids gives signifcantly less leverage for future.

(3) you will test positive on a drug test for the next 12 (or more) months, which can be a factor depending on a persons lifestyle or employment

(4) high estrogen and high prolactin share similar side effects - running both a 19nor and test at the beginning makes it difficult to deduce how you respond to either accurately


In terms of weight, the scale is the biggest misconception and illusion for bodybuilding.

It doesn't show water retention.
It doesn't show bodyfat %
It doesn't show body measurements
It doesn't show strength or endurance changes
It doesn't show how full or depleted muscle glycogen is
It doesn't show muscle blood volume


Best of luck on your cycle.

Thanks for your comment.

I understand all of that, and I did a blood work panel with all relevant hormones, including prolactin, since the doctor was aware of the cycle I went for.
I also understand all of this has risks, as also a Test only cycle or even walking to the other side of the road. I really needed Deca to make my joints recover while still working out. In the end I’m much better and I feel much stronger with better self confidence. I’m not one of those guys that started lifting and went straight for steroids. I worked out naturally for almost 5 years and learnt the basics of nutrition and workout. I had really good results naturally, but off course nothing can keep up with using gear while doing everything else as right as possible.

[fitguy]

I am curious about trying the exact same cycle if am going to run another cycle,test and anavar or test and tbol,you can add boldenone if you will run a long cycle,i didnt try it myself but gains are supposed to be dry,keep us updated

[hardgainrock]

I am curious about trying the exact same cycle if am going to run another cycle,test and anavar or test and tbol,you can add boldenone if you will run a long cycle,i didnt try it myself but gains are supposed to be dry,keep us updated

Sure, I expect gear to be in my hands this week, so I’ll probably start pinning at the beginning of next week. I’ll update the thread with my progress.

[hardgainrock]

Sure, I expect gear to be in my hands this week, so I’ll probably start pinning at the beginning of next week. I’ll update the thread with my progress.

1 week and half into the cycle. I reduced caloric intake from 3600 to 3000kcal, whereas was previously very close to maintenance. For some reason I’m gaining weight instead of losing, even with reduced calories, having increased my protein and lowered fat and carb intake. 2.4kgs gain, from 83 to 85.4 at 1.76m.
I’m visibly leaner with harder and more vascular look. Is this quick gain with such low water retention AAS normal? I’m pretty sure gear is legit from a very reputable UGL.

[GearHeaded]

1 week and half into the cycle. I reduced caloric intake from 3600 to 3000kcal, whereas was previously very close to maintenance. For some reason I’m gaining weight instead of losing, even with reduced calories, having increased my protein and lowered fat and carb intake. 2.4kgs gain, from 83 to 85.4 at 1.76m.
I’m visibly leaner with harder and more vascular look. Is this quick gain with such low water retention AAS normal? I’m pretty sure gear is legit from a very reputable UGL.

aren't you running test prop and Anavar ?

Test prop is going to upregulate glycogen storage in muscle tissue. Anavar is going to upregulate creatine phosphate production and ultimately Creatine storage in muscle tissue. both of these things are going to cause you to store much more intercellular water in the muscle cells and cause weight gain (no this is NOT extra cellular water weight that will make you bloated, this type of water weight will make you look tighter, fuller, and harder)

[hardgainrock]

aren't you running test prop and Anavar ?

Test prop is going to upregulate glycogen storage in muscle tissue. Anavar is going to upregulate creatine phosphate production and ultimately Creatine storage in muscle tissue. both of these things are going to cause you to store much more intercellular water in the muscle cells and cause weight gain (no this is NOT extra cellular water weight that will make you bloated, this type of water weight will make you look tighter, fuller, and harder)

Yeah I’m running both but I wasn’t really expecting a quick gain such as the one I had previously with Sust and Deca in just a few days, but this time with much lower calories. I look tighter, so it must be it. Let’s see how the remaining weeks go by. Thanks.

[hardgainrock]

Tomorrow starts week 4 of the cycle. 3kgs gain until now with very reduced caloric intake, at least compared to what I’m used for my typical maintenance/cut levels.

Strength is through the roof and I’m really enjoying what I see in the mirror: Dryer look, increased vascularity and fuller muscles.
Plan is to start Arimidex at 0.5mg 3x/week at the begin of week 5. Is this really necessary? I’m not feeling any estrogen related sides, at least until now. I really don’t want to mess up with my libido. It’s on a sweet spot right now. Even my girl is loving it.
Btw, I believe I’m currently around 7/8% BF.

[hardgainrock]

Hi guys,

I finished my cycle and I’m currently on the last week of PCT.
Considering this has been a cut + bulk cycle I believe the 3kgs of weight gain I’m being able to maintain is pretty good. I’m clearly leaner and more muscular, but not with the fuller look I had during cycle. I went from 82 to 88kgs during, and I lost almost 3 during PCT, eating like a horse, i.e. I’m currently eating 4200kcal per training day while 3800kcal on off days.

At the first weeks of PCT I was really horny, more than during cycle. Now I’m having issues to keep a hard erection. Even taking cialis once didn’t seem to help much. I’m with really good mood, feeling really happy and really strong in the weight room... Could this be due to low/high estrogen levels? I don’t really feel to have low T at the moment since everything else is perfect.

Thanks.

[ScotchGuard02]

1 week and half into the cycle. I reduced caloric intake from 3600 to 3000kcal, whereas was previously very close to maintenance. For some reason I’m gaining weight instead of losing, even with reduced calories, having increased my protein and lowered fat and carb intake. 2.4kgs gain, from 83 to 85.4 at 1.76m.
I’m visibly leaner with harder and more vascular look. Is this quick gain with such low water retention AAS normal? I’m pretty sure gear is legit from a very reputable UGL.

Test increases the protein synthesis in the body. You can take in less protein but your body will still produce muscles. You body just get for efficient in the way it processes food. When you add energy expenditure through exercise you get a really good combination of work/energy relationship.