2nd cycle

**jackfrost88** · 10-18-2018, 10:38 PM

Hey, finished my first cycle a few months ago of test c 400mg 1-12, tbol 40mg 1-7 with HCG aromasin etc. and got great results. Held onto pretty much everything and fully recovered. Going to start 2nd cycle after Christmas as a little gift to myself. Really liked the Tbol and test once it was kicking in around week 8.

So for a 2nd cycle I'm leaning towards doing to same thing or maybe moving test up to 500mg. Want to stay away from wet compounds like dbol or deca and goal is to lean bulk again. Got very good recomp effects from Tbol last time.

Other compounds that catch my interest are EQ, maybe trying switching test C to Prop or trying sustanon . Basically don't want any compounds known for hard shut downs as I've enjoyed a quick rebound. So 19nors and things like anadrol are out of the question at this point.

Any ideas / thoughts?

**The God Himself** · 10-19-2018, 12:34 AM

I assume you are not on TRT?
Make sure your waiting time between two cycles is CYCLE + TIME BETWEEN CYCLE AND PCT + PCT.
If you are happy with your gains from your first cycle, stick to that regular 500 mg test a week procedure. May be you can add some orals to kick start your cycle but not more, thats what I would have done.
Try anavar or stick to Tbol for first 6 weeks.
In your next life, please do your first cycle test only.

**diesel101** · 10-19-2018, 10:55 AM

If what you are doing works stick with it do not try to reinvent the wheel.
Save the extra compounds for later on when test only is not doing the job anymore.

**GearHeaded** · 10-19-2018, 11:41 AM

sounds like your goal is to run a very DRY and lean cycle. so my thoughts. lower your test and make up the difference with EQ (as EQ is nothing more then a 'dry' Testosterone that doesn't convert to DHT or much to estrogen).
so like
200mg test per week. with 600mg of Eq per week.. that gives you basically a 800mg base (like running 800mg of test but less aromatization).
then the last 6 weeks add in like 50mg of VAR or Tbol for 6 weeks

**jackfrost88** · 10-19-2018, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

sounds like your goal is to run a very DRY and lean cycle. so my thoughts. lower your test and make up the difference with EQ (as EQ is nothing more then a 'dry' Testosterone that doesn't convert to DHT or much to estrogen).
so like
200mg test per week. with 600mg of Eq per week.. that gives you basically a 800mg base (like running 800mg of test but less aromatization).
then the last 6 weeks add in like 50mg of VAR or Tbol for 6 weeks

Thanks exactly the kind of Idea I was looking for. I'll do some looking into low test high eq. Do you know if EQ is mild in sides and easy to recover from as many say?

**Windex** · 10-19-2018, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by jackfrost88

Thanks exactly the kind of Idea I was looking for. I'll do some looking into low test high eq. Do you know if EQ is mild in sides and easy to recover from as many say?

Nandrolone and Trenbolone are the two hardest steroids to recover from, everything else is relative. At the end of the day it comes down to your genetics and endocrine system. The more you cycle and shut yourself down, the less likely you are to recover and the more likely you are to end up on TRT. Nobody has a crystal ball to know when that will happen because everyone is variable, even identical twins. That is why some people cycle for 10 years and other people cycle 3 times and end up on TRT. Avoiding Nandrolone & Trenbolone, along with running a proper cycle (dosage, duration, PCT) gives you the best chance of recovery, however there is always a risk.

There's no statistical element to Steroid X is Y% easier to recover from.

In terms of testosterone , stick to Test C / Test E for longer cycles and Test Prop for shorter cycles. Do not waste your money on Sustanon .

**Kay kay** · 10-20-2018, 02:19 AM

Test and EQ, 400 test E and 600eq is a beginner cycle I prescribe to all my clients who are new to steroids on there second cycle.

**Octaneforce** · 10-20-2018, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

sounds like your goal is to run a very DRY and lean cycle. so my thoughts. lower your test and make up the difference with EQ (as EQ is nothing more then a 'dry' Testosterone that doesn't convert to DHT or much to estrogen).
so like
200mg test per week. with 600mg of Eq per week.. that gives you basically a 800mg base (like running 800mg of test but less aromatization).
then the last 6 weeks add in like 50mg of VAR or Tbol for 6 weeks

Originally Posted by Kay kay

Test and EQ, 400 test E and 600eq is a beginner cycle I prescribe to all my clients who are new to steroids on there second cycle.

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Im not exactly a beginner but im running test/eq/var at the moment and loving it. I think eq is a little misunderstood because you do need quite a bit of it to reap the rewards. Especially with underdosed ugls floating around. Ive used tbol before, i had a good experience but var is much drier in my opinion.

**Charlie67** · 10-27-2018, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

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Im not exactly a beginner but im running test/eq/var at the moment and loving it. I think eq is a little misunderstood because you do need quite a bit of it to reap the rewards. Especially with underdosed ugls floating around. Ive used tbol before, i had a good experience but var is much drier in my opinion.

Out of curiosity, how much Test and EQ are you running?

**The God Himself** · 10-28-2018, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie67

Out of curiosity, how much Test and EQ are you running?

I am curious about that, too.

**Kay kay** · 10-28-2018, 01:56 AM

I love test and EQ. Based on the dosages you’ve stated I’d try 400 test and 600-750 EQ keeping in mind EQ is quite mild and imo 600-750mg of eq is basic in the same sense as 400-500mg of test. Also consider the water weight, the longer the ester the less of the weight mg for mg is the active steroid ,making 100mg of eq less potent mg for mg then 100mg test e.

**redz** · 10-28-2018, 12:45 PM

I personally wasn’t that impressed with EQ 600mg for 15 weeks along side 500 test e and I honestly couldn’t tell the difference between running the test alone. Only notable side was increased appetite.

**Kay kay** · 10-28-2018, 10:24 PM

EQ needs a good dose to shine honestly I was just being conservative. I run 1800 Eq with 600 test and 400 masteron and it’s ansolutely wonderful, I lose bf while I gain similar to tren and I’ve often compared high dose Eq’s effects on metabolism to tren

**GearHeaded** · 10-28-2018, 11:06 PM

I think a lot can be accomplished with a 'base' of say 700mg of EQ with 300mg of test. but a lot of more experienced guys will run this as their actual cycle (using EQ the first time) and not just a 'base' and they end up a bit disappointed.

the EQ plus test just gives you a 1 gram base. thats it.. around this one gram base you build your actual 'stack / cycle' (eg., another gram of deca , 600 tren , 150 day anadrol , etc.). the one gram test/eq is just a foundation thats built upon, its not meant as a stand alone cycle (except for perhaps on a cruise).
used in this manner, EQ can be a very useful tool

**Charlie67** · 10-29-2018, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

I think a lot can be accomplished with a 'base' of say 700mg of EQ with 300mg of test. but a lot of more experienced guys will run this as their actual cycle (using EQ the first time) and not just a 'base' and they end up a bit disappointed.

the EQ plus test just gives you a 1 gram base. thats it.. around this one gram base you build your actual 'stack / cycle' (eg., another gram of deca , 600 tren , 150 day anadrol , etc.). the one gram test/eq is just a foundation thats built upon, its not meant as a stand alone cycle (except for perhaps on a cruise).
used in this manner, EQ can be a very useful tool

Are there any sides to manage with running EQ at 700?

It's attractive to me because 300 Test has hardly anything to deal with, and (not 600 but maybe) 300 tren would be more than fine for me. I've never ran tren higher than 300 and am happy with the balance of sides/performance.

**Kay kay** · 10-29-2018, 09:46 PM

In my opinion, test and Eq are a great stand alone cycle, more along the lines of 1800-2100mg EQ per week and 600-1000mg test.

I find EQ is the one drug that is a totally different animal at those higher doses... it ramps my metabolism like tren when at 1800mg and I will recomp on a bulk by mistake unless I really pound in like 7k plus cals

**Kay kay** · 10-29-2018, 09:48 PM

EQ has very little sides just keep an eye on BO.
300 test, 700 eq, 300 tren would be great for you considering the dosages you stated you use.

EDIT: personally I’d change that to 200 test, 400-500 tren, and 700-900 EQ. Don’t be afraid of those doses of EQ, it’s extremely mild only thing is watch BP but I’ve never had issues. Highest dose of anything I’ve ran is 1200 test except eq I’ve gone over 2g it’s just a mild compound and can be dosed higher than normal.