First Cycle ever, haven't worked out for years

**charger69** · 11-04-2018, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Aerospace

24 you're fine, start anabolics.
500mg Testosterone Ethanate (split in half doses, Monday and Thursday for example)
50 mg of Dianabol every day (morning and evening/pre-workout split doses)
Could add Deca 300mg in split doses with testosterone

24 may or may not be fine. Studies show that 25 is the age that the HPTA is fully mature.
I will admit that 24 carries less risk however I think it is a little reckless assuring him that 24 is fine.
I also feel that stacking on the first cycle is reckless.
A first cycle should be test only. You will see a difference with just test. You only add one compound at a time to see how you react. It allows you to get to know your body and it’s reaction.
Getting back to the original question. His joints and muscles need to have a good base before adding AAS . He will likely get injured.

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**Windex** · 11-04-2018, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

Oh so you're sexist too? If I had to guess I'd say you're either a 14 year-old moron, or a 60 year-old moron. Am I right?

You're not off to a good start by insulting another member who is providing honest feedback and trying to help you.

There are tons of Mickey Mouse forums that will blow smoke up the ass and give people what they want to hear on a platter served with cheese and wine. This is not one of those boards.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:19 PM

I accepted the majority of member's advice, and thanked them.

I don't want people to agree with me, because I don't have an opinion on the matter - I'm asking if I will make gains or not, why is this so complicated?

**Obs** · 11-04-2018, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

I accepted the majority of member's advice, and thanked them.

I don't want people to agree with me, because I don't have an opinion on the matter - I'm asking if I will make gains or not, why is this so complicated?

You will make mild gains.
Hell, maybe the influx of hormones will help give you the motivation you need to hit the gym.
If you do, go slow.
I have put myself in a depressed state after losing gains when I was in my early 20's. It was brussel sprout bad.

Don't know your story, but AAS is no game unless you have the drive to make it so. Regardless it will always be serious.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:31 PM

asdf

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:33 PM

Hmm, that's what I was hoping. Yeah, if I see gains like I've never seen before, that will for sure motivate me. I'm looking for anything to make life exciting again.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

32 years old 7 kids, own my own bisiness, have a good life for the first time ever. I wasted my life until 30.

This mindset I am trying to make you understand is why I am not like you anymore.
I was a suicidal little bitch.
I get better every day. Stronger, more determined.

I am a sexist too.
Like 3 times a day.

(wrote this 10 mins ago)

You don't know anything about me buddy. All you know is that I may be suicidal and am thinking of starting a cycle. There could be a million ways for a 24 year-old to end up in that situation.

I get your point though - "stop whining and feeling sorry for yourself" - and that's fair enough, you might be partially right about that.

BUT - did you ever think maybe life isn't for everyone? What's the chance that each and every one of the 7 billion people on Earth happen to feel like life's worth it?
What if I don't get as much of a thrill from money, movies, sex, a career as most people? Hmm? Ever think of that? In that case, it would be stupid of me to NOT "call it a day".

A bit off the point there, but anyway.

Fair enough for sorting your shit out, but don't take your past out on random people, it's unhelpful and idiotic. What you were saying made sense but you phrased it like an asshole.

lol 3 times a day xD

**Obs** · 11-04-2018, 05:34 PM

Tendons and joints dont grow like muscle on AAS.

Its easy to go too fast and break yourself. Then you go back to skinny with flatlined test and unable to lift.

I am an addictive type personality. My focus goes to whatever I set my sights on. If someone or something takes it away all of the sudden.... It literally is like a heartbreak. Actually its worse.
Caution is mandatory. Saying you dont care wont work. Obviously you care or you wouldnt be seeking gains.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:37 PM

True....I suppose I have a bit a care left in me.

About the tendons etc., would taking it slow help that? Say I lift 100% normally, but gain the ability to go to 150% during the cycle - if I limit myself to say 120% would that be reasonable?

**Obs** · 11-04-2018, 05:44 PM

Not trying to run you off anymore but you need to scoop deep.
I killed the old me. He was a quitter.
He probably would have said the exact same things you are.

Decide you are going to win and dont stop. Its a one time decision much like a marriage or suicide. You run this shit, no one else. You can be anything, but you gotta take it. Quitting is not an option.

Light a fire under your feet. Search your soul, do whatever it takes. That phrase by my username is the only thing that kept me from putting a hydroshock in my skull. I am a million miles away from there now.

**Obs** · 11-04-2018, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

True....I suppose I have a bit a care left in me.

About the tendons etc., would taking it slow help that? Say I lift 100% normally, but gain the ability to go to 150% during the cycle - if I limit myself to say 120% would that be reasonable?

What do you do for work?
I went straight to lifting my first cycle having not. I have incredibly strong tendons in my genetics though and I worked like a dog physically at the time.

If you are mostly sedentary, take it slow. Never deviate from proper form, keep elbows tucked when benching, pay attention to proper spine alignment when squatting or deadlifting, and use lighter weight and higer reps.

Jumping into a low rep heavy weight HIT program or similar will undo you.

**Windex** · 11-04-2018, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

True....I suppose I have a bit a care left in me.

About the tendons etc., would taking it slow help that? Say I lift 100% normally, but gain the ability to go to 150% during the cycle - if I limit myself to say 120% would that be reasonable?

Doing a cycle in your position will give you an injury, you are starting from 0 with no ceiling established. You can't stay your max bench is X lbs so you will do 120% of X instead of 150% of X. Whatever your previous best lifts were is not applicable today. If for example you benched 405 lbs for reps before, you aren't going to get back to 405 lbs in 12 weeks safely. So you won't even get back to your previous best, let alone trying to 120% or whatever irrelevant arbitrary % you want to use.

Even factoring the training/injury out of the equation if your diet sucks all your gains will be water weight and you will look like a puffer fish and worse off from where you started. Switching your diet overnight just because you decide to cycle isn't really going to be benefical either. The human body is like a factory. Can a factory manufacturing bicycles turn into a factory manufacturing airplanes overnight? No.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:49 PM

I saw the phrase earlier, it's very good.

But you seem to have wanted to get gains really bad - like I'd love them, but reallllly all I want is to be the most attractive I can be i.e. attract more women - buttt I can't talk to anyone - male or female - as I'm socially fucked. See my problem?

Do you think gains etc. and getting fit could potentially lead to being more comfortable socially?

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

What do you do for work?
I went straight to lifting my first cycle having not. I have incredibly strong tendons in my genetics though and I worked like a dog physically at the time.

If you are mostly sedentary, take it slow. Never deviate from proper form, keep elbows tucked when benching, pay attention to proper spine alignment when squatting or deadlifting, and use lighter weight and higer reps.

Jumping into a low rep heavy weight HIT program or similar will undo you.

Just dropped out of 3rd year mechanical engineering.

I'm also very strong genetically, but do have a bit of belly fat, but also a lot of muscle, but am not very active most of the time. I started working out last week though.

Sound advice though on rep range and form.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

Doing a cycle in your position will give you an injury, you are starting from 0 with no ceiling established. You can't stay your max bench is X lbs so you will do 120% of X instead of 150% of X. Whatever your previous best lifts were is not applicable today. If for example you benched 405 lbs for reps before, you aren't going to get back to 405 lbs in 12 weeks safely. So you won't even get back to your previous best, let alone trying to 120% or whatever irrelevant arbitrary % you want to use.

Even factoring the training/injury out of the equation if your diet sucks all your gains will be water weight and you will look like a puffer fish and worse off from where you started. Switching your diet overnight just because you decide to cycle isn't really going to be benefical either. The human body is like a factory. Can a factory manufacturing bicycles turn into a factory manufacturing airplanes overnight? No.

No, I'm saying say I can lift 100% today. As in, in shit form.

I'm very impatient, like how long will I have to wait then if I don't want to look like a puffer fish? I do have a good bit of muscle.

**pikminman** · 11-04-2018, 05:58 PM

I'll post before and after pictures anyway in 12 weeks, or 12 weeks from when I started. Might be funny.

**Obs** · 11-04-2018, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

I saw the phrase earlier, it's very good.

But you seem to have wanted to get gains really bad - like I'd love them, but reallllly all I want is to be the most attractive I can be i.e. attract more women - buttt I can't talk to anyone - male or female - as I'm socially fucked. See my problem?

Do you think gains etc. and getting fit could potentially lead to being more comfortable socially?

Lot of guys will shit on me for saying this but it gives you a huge confidence boost. If you dont want to gocto the gym buy a rack and a bench for home. Fb has that trader thing with lots of cheap weights and equipment.

I have been totally socially inept and isolated in the past. It sucks.

I would advise bloodwork. Low test in younger individuals is a common problem. Getting that in check via medical advice could be a saving grace.

There are a lot of men on depression meds that only needed trt.

**Windex** · 11-04-2018, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by pikminman

No, I'm saying say I can lift 100% today. As in, in shit form.

I'm very impatient, like how long will I have to wait then if I don't want to look like a puffer fish? I do have a good bit of muscle.

It's not complicated - 3 members already gave you the correct information - train for 6 months with proper nutrition and get to where you were previously before quitting training, then CYCLE. If you can't even do that, then find something else to do with your time that gives immediate gratification.

**GearHeaded** · 11-04-2018, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Aerospace

24 you're fine, start anabolics.
500mg Testosterone Ethanate (split in half doses, Monday and Thursday for example)
50 mg of Dianabol every day (morning and evening/pre-workout split doses)
Could add Deca 300mg in split doses with testosterone

just curious why you keep advocating Test, Deca , Dbol for a first cycle? seen you advocate for this in another thread recommending another complete newb run the same combo.

over a gram of gear and 3 separate compounds that are extremely suppressive and have lots of side effects for a complete newb is not a very good idea for a first cycle.

**pikminman** · 11-05-2018, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Obs

Lot of guys will shit on me for saying this but it gives you a huge confidence boost. If you dont want to gocto the gym buy a rack and a bench for home. Fb has that trader thing with lots of cheap weights and equipment.

I have been totally socially inept and isolated in the past. It sucks.

I would advise bloodwork. Low test in younger individuals is a common problem. Getting that in check via medical advice could be a saving grace.

There are a lot of men on depression meds that only needed trt.

God, maybe you're right... Never thought it could be due to low test.

Did getting in shape help you socially?

**pikminman** · 11-05-2018, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

It's not complicated - 3 members already gave you the correct information - train for 6 months with proper nutrition and get to where you were previously before quitting training, then CYCLE. If you can't even do that, then find something else to do with your time that gives immediate gratification.

I know, I know - 6 months. FUUUUUCK that though. I'll try a week and see what happens. If I end up a puffer fish with double C's then I won't feel as bad jumping in front of the train. Plus I'll be able to fondle myself at least xD God that's sad....... Ah well, you know what they say, "'roid-up and hope for the best!".

(I know it seems like I'm trolling but I'm actually not, sadly)

**pikminman** · 11-05-2018, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

just curious why you keep advocating Test, Deca , Dbol for a first cycle? seen you advocate for this in another thread recommending another complete newb run the same combo.

over a gram of gear and 3 separate compounds that are extremely suppressive and have lots of side effects for a complete newb is not a very good idea for a first cycle.

Yeah, even I wouldn't take that much first time. Let's just see where 500mg Test. E/week goes.

**Obs** · 11-05-2018, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by pikminman

I know, I know - 6 months. FUUUUUCK that though. I'll try a week and see what happens. If I end up a puffer fish with double C's then I won't feel as bad jumping in front of the train. Plus I'll be able to fondle myself at least xD God that's sad....... Ah well, you know what they say, "'roid-up and hope for the best!".

(I know it seems like I'm trolling but I'm actually not, sadly)

You need to read the my first cycle thread. 1 week wont even give hormone levels a third of their peak.
Issues should arisecat week 4 on

**Couchlockd** · 11-06-2018, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

just curious why you keep advocating Test, Deca , Dbol for a first cycle? seen you advocate for this in another thread recommending another complete newb run the same combo.

over a gram of gear and 3 separate compounds that are extremely suppressive and have lots of side effects for a complete newb is not a very good idea for a first cycle.

Lol

He told a guy to give that cycle to his 17 year old if I'm not mistaken.

**pikminman** · 11-11-2018, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Obs

You need to read the my first cycle thread. 1 week wont even give hormone levels a third of their peak.
Issues should arisecat week 4 on

hmm...

Yeah, one week in now, front-loaded 1200mg test e, and still cant feel shit. Feel weaker if anything. Actually, definitely feel weaker, like half my strength and enndurance. What's up with that?