2nd Cycle advise

[Gee08]

Hey guys, I’m looking at doing a cycle in about 3 months time, now I’ve already done a Test E only cycle for 8 weeks at 900ml a week a fair few years ago and gained about 8ks, now for my next cycle I want to stick with Test E again but want to add something with it been told deca and tren is not an option unless it was my 4th or 5th cycle, I’m aiming for lean muscle mass and vascularity and have been told that either out of these are a good and safe option to add along with Test E

Anavar
EQ
NPP

Just after opinions oh what would be best,

Thinking of doing a 10-12 week cycle
Test E 500ml a week (250ml 2x Monday & Thursday)
And also running HCG (250iu 2x a week Monday & Friday)

I’m currently sitting at 76ks
About 18% body fat
I’m 5’6
28 years old

Any suggestions & opinions would be much appreciated!

[GearHeaded]

just a quick note -- you mention Deca as not being an option, but then you list NPP as being an option. keep in mind that these two are the exact same drug/compound (just that deca has a long ester attached and npp has a short ester attached). I,e, NPP is just faster acting Deca.

for a second cycle, I like Test and Anavar or Test and EQ

week 1-12 Test 500mg
week 8-13 Var 50mg per day

or
week 1-12 Test 300mg
week 1-12 EQ 500mg

[Gee08]

just a quick note -- you mention Deca as not being an option, but then you list NPP as being an option. keep in mind that these two are the exact same drug/compound (just that deca has a long ester attached and npp has a short ester attached). I,e, NPP is just faster acting Deca.

for a second cycle, I like Test and Anavar or Test and EQ

week 1-12 Test 500mg
week 8-13 Var 50mg per day

or
week 1-12 Test 300mg
week 1-12 EQ 500mg

Yeah that’s what I thought with the npp also, it was just what I was told so I thought I’d mention it too, also any reason why the test should be lower then the EQ? I figured the test at 500ml would be a good safe dose?

[Octaneforce]

Yeah that’s what I thought with the npp also, it was just what I was told so I thought I’d mention it too, also any reason why the test should be lower then the EQ? I figured the test at 500ml would be a good safe dose?

He has the test lower than eq because eq is just a “cleaner” test that wont aromatize as much. The low test dose is just a little more than trt to keep your levels up.

My issue with eq is that is takes foorreverr to kick in. Its a huge ester. So during a 12 week cycle you are only getting 2-3 weeks of the affects. Atleast for me Personally. I had to run it 18 weeks before the gains slowed down. I love eq, makes me hungry as hell, offers hard quality gains, and its easy to find. And no prolactin sides. However i wouldnt tell someone to run such a long cycle.

You cant go wrong with test and var. if you can get real anavar id say go this route. Make sure you have all your ancillaries and pct lined up before you start.

[Gee08]

He has the test lower than eq because eq is just a “cleaner” test that wont aromatize as much. The low test dose is just a little more than trt to keep your levels up.

My issue with eq is that is takes foorreverr to kick in. Its a huge ester. So during a 12 week cycle you are only getting 2-3 weeks of the affects. Atleast for me Personally. I had to run it 18 weeks before the gains slowed down. I love eq, makes me hungry as hell, offers hard quality gains, and its easy to find. And no prolactin sides. However i wouldnt tell someone to run such a long cycle.

You cant go wrong with test and var. if you can get real anavar id say go this route. Make sure you have all your ancillaries and pct lined up before you start.

Thanks Octaneforce, yeah that makes more sense I guess, and have been told that the eq takes awhile, a friend of mine used eq and he reckons he felt it at week 6 and was looking pretty vascular which is what I’m looking for the vascularity, and with the anavar correct me if I’m wrong but it’s mainly with gaining strength and losing weight not gaining muscle correct?

[Windex]

Thanks Octaneforce, yeah that makes more sense I guess, and have been told that the eq takes awhile, a friend of mine used eq and he reckons he felt it at week 6 and was looking pretty vascular which is what I’m looking for the vascularity, and with the anavar correct me if I’m wrong but it’s mainly with gaining strength and losing weight not gaining muscle correct?

The steroids don't determine gaining muscle / losing weight, that comes from diet and training. Some compounds are better suited for specific goals but you can bulk or cut on any Test+X configuration.

Vasodilation + Subcutaneous water retention + Bodyfat % = level of Vascularity

EQ increases blood values, which affects Vasodilation, which is 1/3rd of the vascularity equation.

[GearHeaded]

Yeah that’s what I thought with the npp also, it was just what I was told so I thought I’d mention it too, also any reason why the test should be lower then the EQ? I figured the test at 500ml would be a good safe dose?

what Octane said about why I have test lower then EQ is true.. test and eq are very similar. your running a higher dose of EQ then test as essentially your 'clean' version of test.
so when you look at both cycles I have laid out, the test/var and test/eq , you'll notice that the MG totals per week of each cycle is about 800mg . IF on the eq cycle you bumped up the test to like 500mg like the var cycle, then you'll be pushing a gram of gear (which is fine, but was comparing one cycle to another using similar dosages).

personally I think you'd get more out of the VAR cycle I laid out.

EQ is great, but I prefer it as a compound in a multiple compound stack (kinda like a test 'filler')

[AR's King Silabolin]

Deca could be an option. Dont need to run 500 uknow.
300 is a nice dose and will dobble the gains compared to var/eq.
Just extend pct from 4 to 5 weeks.

Why wait??? Dont miss the train.

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[Octaneforce]

Thanks Octaneforce, yeah that makes more sense I guess, and have been told that the eq takes awhile, a friend of mine used eq and he reckons he felt it at week 6 and was looking pretty vascular which is what I’m looking for the vascularity, and with the anavar correct me if I’m wrong but it’s mainly with gaining strength and losing weight not gaining muscle correct?

Anavar offers great strength gains without putting on tons of weight. Its also the only steroid that can literally burn fat. However like others said, it all comes down to diet and training.
Yes eq will create vascularity. But most steroids do that bc of increased blood count.

[GearHeaded]

Yes eq will create vascularity. But most steroids do that bc of increased blood count.

^^ absolutely true. EQ is nothing special when it comes to increased blood volume. Anadrol, Deca, etc.. all do the same thing and so does nearly every other steroid.

the reason guys feel like they get more vascular on EQ is because they've likely been on it for 16 weeks (plenty of time to increase blood volume). but there is nothing special about EQ that makes you more vascular then any other steroid

[Octaneforce]

If boldenone propianate became main stream id be all over it. (Eq with a fast ester). Someone get the message over to all these ugls that we need it!

[GearHeaded]

If boldenone propianate became main stream id be all over it. (Eq with a fast ester). Someone get the message over to all these ugls that we need it!

I have a source that carried Boldenone Ace . I'll check and see if they still have it and get back to you.. I've never personally used it though.
be a great option for short burst cycles though or even as a frontload

[Octaneforce]

I have a source that carried Boldenone Ace . I'll check and see if they still have it and get back to you.. I've never personally used it though.
be a great option for short burst cycles though or even as a frontload

Ive never seen it domestic. Ive seen boldenone in lots of esters at international labs tho. Havent had good luck with international orders.

Someone get the message to domestic ugl’s***

There i fixed it lol

[GearHeaded]

Ive never seen it domestic. Ive seen boldenone in lots of esters at international labs tho. Havent had good luck with international orders.

Someone get the message to domestic ugl’s***

There i fixed it lol

yep ,, Aces, Bases, and Suspensions are the 'in thing' right now. more labs need to get on with the aces and 'no ester' bandwagon

[JackMan017]

Its also the only steroid that can literally burn fat. However like others said, it all comes down to diet and training.

Can you elaborate on the fat burning? I'm not aware. I thought the consensus here no steroids burn fat.

[GearHeaded]

Can you elaborate on the fat burning? I'm not aware. I thought the consensus here no steroids burn fat.

the mechanisms of action by which AAS work do not make them 'directly' considered fat burners , BUT there is no doubt that 'indirectly' Steroids aide in the fat burning process.

anyone thats says Steroids can't help recomp the body and aide in the fat burning process has simply been stuck on a popular forum propaganda subject (its popular to parrot the idea "steroids don't burn fat'') , then actually looked at the science itself or done practical experience tests on themselves.
if you take the time to read the science, and practice things on yourself . . a lot of the popular things that are parroted on forums you thought were true will no longer be true. Every internet steroid forum out there has guys on there with about 2 cycles of experience under their belt saying that steroids don't burn fat, because its the "in thing" to say. then everyone follows along. the blind leading the blind

[Gee08]

think I might go with the anavar this time around, thanks a lot guys was very helpful!