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    Is test only really best for a first cycle?

    At this point I plan on starting my first cycle sometime between mid January and mid February. Of course, this all depends on how my second round of bloods looks (been working on the lipids, they weren't great on my last labs). But there's something that keeps bugging me.....

    The more info I come across, the more a test only cycle for a first cycle is actually starting to sound like a bad idea. It honestly sounds like test has the most sides of any injectable, except for maybe tren and deca , and even those sound like they might just be about even with test as far as sides, just with a slightly different set of sides. I've honestly been seriously considering running a trt dose (150-200mg/week) while running a high dose of EQ, or something that isn't a 19nor. And orals are almost out of the question for me, although tbol seems to be a decent oral in terms of not killing your liver.

    My reasoning for this is that I want to run just enough test so that if I do get any sides, I can at least be ALMOST certain that it's not the test causing it, and even if it is the test, the sides seem like they could only be so bad at a max dose of 200mg/week.

    Am I overthinking this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcānn View Post
    At this point I plan on starting my first cycle sometime between mid January and mid February. Of course, this all depends on how my second round of bloods looks (been working on the lipids, they weren't great on my last labs). But there's something that keeps bugging me.....

    The more info I come across, the more a test only cycle for a first cycle is actually starting to sound like a bad idea. It honestly sounds like test has the most sides of any injectable, except for maybe tren and deca , and even those sound like they might just be about even with test as far as sides, just with a slightly different set of sides. I've honestly been seriously considering running a trt dose (150-200mg/week) while running a high dose of EQ, or something that isn't a 19nor. And orals are almost out of the question for me, although tbol seems to be a decent oral in terms of not killing your liver.

    My reasoning for this is that I want to run just enough test so that if I do get any sides, I can at least be ALMOST certain that it's not the test causing it, and even if it is the test, the sides seem like they could only be so bad at a max dose of 200mg/week.

    Am I overthinking this?
    U could probably do 500 mg test a week for life without issues ig u know how to handle hct and BP.

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    It's all relative, apples to apples.

    300mgTest+700mgEQ should produce less sides than 1000mg of Test

    300mgTren+300mg of Test is not less side effect adverse than 600mg Test

    At a first cycle, with no orals or 19nor you don't have a compound to fill in the blank with 200mg of Test. 300mg EQ does nothing, and to run a high dose of EQ + trt test is not a good idea as a first cycle.

    Taking the standard 500mg as a first cycle if you pull out 300mg you don't really have a replacement option by skipping orals + 19'nors.

    I would just run the test and not overthink it. S

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    Test only first cycle is for a reason. Test should be a base through every cycle you run. The reason you run it alone is because you want to see how your body responds to the compound. If you start with 3 different compounds and you get certain side affects then how do you know which compound gave it to you. At the end of the day everyone responds differently and you need to figure out your own body. Always start simple and build from there....

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    At best, And not advocating it. If you mist "stack"ba first cycle. Imho, anavar at back end of test only cycle.

    So 12-14 weeks of test at 400-500 mg a week. Then last 4-6 weeks add anavar @ 50mg daily.

    So in this scenario you'll have gotten familiar vwith test only for 8 weeks. And adding a side effect friendly oral like var should not be hard to manage

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    I've advocated for TRT doses of Test as a base, with oral compounds like Winstrol , Anavar , Tbol or oils like Primobolan , Mast, Eq as a viable first cycle option. you'll likely have clean gains and less side effects then a high/moderate dose test only cycle , and you'll likely not have to mess with an AI which has its own host of side effects.

    having said that though.. if your real overall goal over the next 5 years is to grow and put on say 40 pounds of muscle, your going to need to learn how to properly run test at dosages of up to a gram and your going to need to learn how to utilize Estrogen to your advantage while mitigating negative side effects.
    so your going to need to run test at high dose at one point or another most likely. you can start with a first cycle. or if your NOT planning on growing as your main goal, then you can easily run the more mild compounds for years to come with minimal side effects.

    it all comes down to your goals and personal choices. running a 'test only' first cycle is in no way mandatory. you could cycle for years without even touching test (I'm not recommending that, but it can be done safely and effectively)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    300mgTren+300mg of Test is not less side effect adverse than 600mg Test
    when looking at the anabolic /androgenic effect or rating on paper-

    600mg of test is = to 600mg of test

    300mg tren with 300mg test is = to 1800mg of test

    even though both cycles actual mg for mg is the same. the second one is much more powerful and carries quite a few more side effects along with that (if you consider HPTA shut down, prolactin sensitivity, cns overstimulation etc. an adverse side effect)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    when looking at the anabolic /androgenic effect or rating on paper-

    600mg of test is = to 600mg of test

    300mg tren with 300mg test is = to 1800mg of test

    even though both cycles actual mg for mg is the same. the second one is much more powerful and carries quite a few more side effects along with that (if you consider HPTA shut down, prolactin sensitivity, cns overstimulation etc. an adverse side effect)
    Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me ? I'm confused.

    I was saying 300 Test 300 tren has more sides than 600 test
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me ? I'm confused.

    I was saying 300 Test 300 tren has more sides than 600 test
    I wasn't trying to agree or disagree. . was just stating for the OP that different combinations of drugs , even though mg per mg may be similar, in reality they can be quite different. in regards to both their beneficial effects as well as side effects.
    it was a 'neutrall' statement.. I just used your post and example of test/tren to make it

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    example
    150mg of test per week
    50mg Var per day
    = 500mg per week

    probably going to be less side effects then just 500mg of test per week. and be more anabolic , as the above cycle has an anabolic rating of 1200 whereas the test only cycle is at 500.
    over twice the anabolic effect (on paper) yet liekly very little negative side effects.
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    I think OP's question is really good. I'm on TRT and even at 100mg per week I had cystic acne and had to lower it 90 (acne is still annoying but better). I'm also predisposed to MPB and if I lose a bit more hair, I'd have to start shaving - not the end of the world, and it might still happen with other AAS but why not try to lower the risk. So if I ever blast with 500mg test, there's gotta be a pretty high chance that I really won't like the sides. Maybe it makes much more sense to me to avoid a high test base as long as I can, and do what GearHeaded suggested for example. Most AAS has a much better anabolic /androgenic ratio than test.
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    Not necessarily but it's the safest easiest simplest and most widely recommended way.

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