When do you start noticing all the tren gains?

Currently on day 30 so 4 weeks in running test e 250 mg per week And 300 mg per week tren ace.

Had run the test 250 mg per week for 2.5 weeks before starting tren.

Taking arimidex and caber too to keep estrogen stable and prolactin. Diet is on point low carb, high fat high protein.

Training 5 days a week.

I know everyone's answer is different I hear some at 6 weeks some at 5 weeks, 3 weeks.

When do you majority of people start getting all the most noticeable changes from the tren ace?

I had one friend that said he woke up and noticed very slow gains then on week 6 it all changed and he was much harder, stronger, fuller,.....

Frame-

6 ft 3

215 pounds

12 % body fat

Have done 3 cycles before this mainly test and winstrol

3-4 weeks is when i notice

I funny enough havnt got night sweats at all yet ....were you getting them?

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Currently on day 30 so 4 weeks in running test e 250 mg per week And 300 mg per week tren ace.

Had run the test 250 mg per week for 2.5 weeks before starting tren.

Taking arimidex and caber too to keep estrogen stable and prolactin. Diet is on point low carb, high fat high protein.

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I generally start noticing Tren's effects in about 7-10 DAYS . yes I said days, not weeks. if its taking 6 weeks to notice Tren Ace, you got some bunk gear or horrible genetics. heck you can get by with running Tren just a couple weeks is all and still get benefits from that (3 week long cycles of tren is effective)
7-10 days my physique literally begins to change in the mirror right in front of me.

couple notes here
- your only running 250mg per week of test . you sure you really need arimidex at that low a dose ? have you ran test before at that low of dose and ended up with estrogen issues or something ? your not going to grow very well if your suppressing estrogen , while running a 'dry' non estrogenic compound like tren

- low carb and high fat diet, while running Tren. thats a great idea if you are wanting to lose weight. but your not going to notice much gains with that type of diet on Tren.. Tren eats through calories very quickly. no wonder your not noticing major changes in the mirror. you need high carbs to drive nutrients and fill out and grow muscle. especially on Tren.


again, if you know what your doing with Tren, you should notice results in a week or two. if its been 4 plus weeks or more, your gear is bunk or something is wrong with you or your diet or something else about your protocol (the combination of running too much AI when its not needed, plus going low carb diet, are two major things I see as to why. your not making gains on tren)

I have low tolerance to getting gyno with test .....that's why I kept it low.... am taking 1/4 of an arimidex tab ed..... and 1/4 of caber eod.

Would u recommend cutting out the arimidex? due to having such a small amount of test?

When I take the arimidex it
Makes me feel like shit sometimes like no motivation sometimes.

I'm having carbs straight after workout and also very minimal amount in morning......


Main reason I was doing low carb is coz I already have a decent amount of
Size I just wanted to drop body fat through dieting.....

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

I have low tolerance to getting gyno with test .....that's why I kept it low.... am taking 1/4 of an arimidex tab ed..... and 1/4 of caber eod.

Would u recommend cutting out the arimidex? due to having such a small amount of test?

When I take the arimidex it
Makes me feel like shit sometimes like no motivation sometimes.

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I don't recommend an AI unless its absolutely needed cause your gyno prone or estrogen sensitive, or your prepping for a contest, or your at the end of your cycle going into pct.. I think your AI use can hinder gains and cause other negative side effects (keep it on hand and use it only if necessary)
read this for more info
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...c-hormone.html

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

I'm having carbs straight after workout and also very minimal amount in morning......

Main reason I was doing low carb is coz I already have a decent amount of
Size I just wanted to drop body fat through dieting.....

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ok I guess I was under the wrong impression. I looked at your stats and seen that you were 6'3" tall yet only 215 pounds and so I figured you were trying to put on size (plus your already fairly lean at 12%bf).
if your trying to cut body fat with tren, then yeah low carb will definitely do it. but you'll go flat and lose your fullness and thats a big part of why your prob not noticing any 'tren gains' . you need carbs to get your muscle to 'pop' and push out against the skin and look full round and vascular . but if your cutting, just give it time

Thanks fir your assistance.

I think u are right about the arimidex as after I take it it makes me feel like shit ....no pumps and motivation v low and also very irratiable/negative.

In terms of caber still tale the same amount 1/4 eod??

I have been told by my friend that 300mg tren and 250 mg test enanethate is enough..... he has been competing for 15 years so I trust him.

He mentioned that keeping test lower will decrease sides.

Would u recommend slightly bumping up tren dosage? To maybe 350 mg or 300 mg is ample?

I start getting night sweats and gains around 3 weeks in

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Thanks fir your assistance.

I think u are right about the arimidex as after I take it it makes me feel like shit ....no pumps and motivation v low and also very irratiable/negative.

In terms of caber still tale the same amount 1/4 eod??

I have been told by my friend that 300mg tren and 250 mg test enanethate is enough..... he has been competing for 15 years so I trust him.

He mentioned that keeping test lower will decrease sides.

Would u recommend slightly bumping up tren dosage? To maybe 350 mg or 300 mg is ample?

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as for the Caber dosage, I can't advise you on that cause I have no idea if your prolactin sensitive and even need caber (some guys are prolactin sensitive and some guys are not,, so its 50/50 wither you should use it. I personally don't need it). a better option is to run Masteron with any 19nor or tren cycles that you do, as that will blunt prolactin receptors but still at least give you anabolic benefits (where caber does not).

your dosages are fine right now imo especially for a cut..

as for test dosage being lower then tren to keep sides down. well this is true with any cycle that you do, its not unique to tren cycles. the lower your dose of test the less likely negative sides.
for putting on size and growth I recommend higher amounts of Test with Tren.
for cutting up and getting learner I recommend lower amount of Test with Tren

Didn't take caber and the arimidex for just 2 days and have already noticed a huge difference in strength and endurance pumps ect.

I think that was one of the major problems as my estrogen must have been so low

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Didn't take caber and the arimidex for just 2 days and have already noticed a huge difference in strength and endurance pumps ect.

I think that was one of the major problems as my estrogen must have been so low

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Remember to follow up with bloodwork, particularly cholesterol in addition to the normal blood+hormone panel.

Yes will do.

Does anyone else not get night sweats?

I don't seem to get any?

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Yes will do.

Does anyone else not get night sweats?

I don't seem to get any?

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I don't get night sweats. Remember you want to take tren for the benefits not the side effects :)

night sweats and insomnia are awesome !! IF your not getting them then your really missing out , you should up your dosage

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Originally Posted by GearHeaded

night sweats and insomnia are awesome !! IF your not getting them then your really missing out , you should up your dosage

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Sounds like Obs speaking. LOL


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Haha ....I seem to have abut of insomnia like I always seem to wake up at 7.50 am every morning and can't go back to sleep.

I'm wondering if I should go up dosage from 250 mg test ....300 mg tren by 50 mls each.

Or maybe throw in winstrol or Anavar on top of my current dosage.

Has anyone found adding winstrol or anavar beneficial on top of tren and test?

I only have 6 weeks left to go before I start pct.

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Has anyone found adding winstrol or anavar beneficial on top of tren and test? t.

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Winstrol, Anavar, Masteron , are all very synergistic drugs. they make almost any steroid stack you run better, with more results and sometimes even diminish side effects.

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Currently on day 30 so 4 weeks in running test e 250 mg per week And 300 mg per week tren ace.

Had run the test 250 mg per week for 2.5 weeks before starting tren.

Taking arimidex and caber too to keep estrogen stable and prolactin. Diet is on point low carb, high fat high protein.

Training 5 days a week.

I know everyone's answer is different I hear some at 6 weeks some at 5 weeks, 3 weeks.

When do you majority of people start getting all the most noticeable changes from the tren ace?

I had one friend that said he woke up and noticed very slow gains then on week 6 it all changed and he was much harder, stronger, fuller,.....

Frame-

6 ft 3

215 pounds

12 % body fat

Have done 3 cycles before this mainly test and winstrol

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U should do tren bro. It gives permanent brain damage. (Jerry Brainum)

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Cool response....

You can take the shotgun approach and blast everything in huge amounts haha. It’s not side effect free approach but it will yield huge gains. Bostin Loyd does that - runs multiple compounds in large amounts. I mean you would get big on a gram of test and a gram of Tren combined. I think that’s reckless and insane so don’t use that method.

I start to notice my Tren A gains in about week 2. Not giant gains but I can start to see my reps increasing of my last sets. By week 4 or 5 I'm a freaking monster. Before Tren, I benched 315lbs x 6 reps x 6 sets. On Tren, I can rep 315lbs x 10 reps x 10 sets.

The sweats and insomnia is terrible. I tend to feel Tren sides quite heavily. I get anorgasmia and soft erections. They're all temporary. Within about 3-6 months after PCT, I'm back to normal.

Yeh I started to notice it now my squats are getting heavier and I sweat like a pig whilst training but not in the night.....

I think the biggest mistake/problem was I didn't feel anything as I was taking 1/2 arimidex ed and also 1/4 Caber eod which shit me down so badly.....based on my dosage


Had no muscle pumps at all now feels like my arms are going to explode....

Just hoping to try start seeing some viens soon from the dieting.

Now just at the end of week 4.

Does eanyone else struggle with cardio sometimes with the breathing ?

Was also going to ask how many calories would be sufficient to start dropping to go from 99kg to around 92kg ?

What's the ideal range for that to not loose too much muscle but also loose fat?

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Originally Posted by Ballsdeep8888

Was also going to ask how many calories would be sufficient to start dropping to go from 99kg to around 92kg ?

What's the ideal range for that to not loose too much muscle but also loose fat?

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It is believed 0.454kg=1lb=3500cals (500 cal/day/week is common). It is also believed these days (not to discourage you) 3500cals is a little on the low side.
AAS will minimize muscle loss.
The smaller the calorie deficit, the less muscle loss.
There are a bizzillion legitimate strategies how to get there.

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