Originally Posted by
Obs
These are things people need to know about UGL's and things I and others have learned the hard way.
Selecting a lab and trusting them with $100's if not $1000's of your money can be hit and miss at best. There are 100's of labs out there. Many many labs are just a guy ordering raws and brewing to resell. Some are a little more complex and large. A select few are actually everything a pharmaceutical company is with top of the line equipment and a real laboratory.
The little brewster labs are actually not all bad. Some fine gear gets turned out from "Advanced Label" (imaginary name). The problem arises wih labs like this when they get a shipment of shit raws. Usually completely unbeknownst to AL, they send out a bad batch of test and a few bloods from customers read low or bunk. Often times the little lab will disappear and come back under a new name.
If the individual or individuals are successful they can grow the same as any business and advertise, build a good reputation, and the sky is the limit. It's very rare though that they grow quickly and are around very long.
Eventually sourcing raws becomes an issue and even though they may advertise, "We test all our raws..." No! They are calling the analysis sent by the supplier (chinese) "tested".
Believe me they send out shit raws they wont flinch about sending out fake lab analysis to the brewster that has graduated to senior brewster.
I can give you fake bloodwork, fake spectro analysis, or any other document, made on my $100 android phone.
I have watched brewster grow like weeds and send out bad batches on accident and they are cut to pieces overnight. Reputation destroyed, they come back with a nice new name, "Elite Private" is born!
EP is the same good ol boys that never meant to fuck anyone over, they just inadvertently passed along the lie the chinese handed them.
These labs sometimes have very cheap product and even though they send out a shit batch from time to time, they still may be worth using to many because of the savings. MOST GEAR SOLD is legit as it gets but about 1/5 or 1/10 times you will get shit.
The other side of the ugl game that really gets my panties in a bunch is the wait time. Many advertise 7 day or less shipping etc.
One problem here though.... If you send out good quality gear like lightning, word travels fast. Newbies and asskissers praise them like the best shit since pussy was invented, and they fall behind. It becomes difficult to source enough raws to keep up with the demand and they usually blame the post office or a customs seizure etc. Imo the good labs come right out and say, "we are behind, you greedy assholes are buying too much, and we are not accepting any orders at this time."
It doesn't help you get your gear any quicker, but I don't like it when my source tells me something that I know is a lie. It compels me tell them to shut their whore mouths.
Any source will get behind and out of stock! All of them! It is a matter of time and you will be waiting 1-2 months! Deal with it! Unless they start jawing bullshit about the post office etc. When they say they are behind, pat them on the back and wait.
There are a few super labs out there. Huuuuge and old as sin. They don't send out shit and it is actually tested. Every last drop!
They cost more and might not be far off pharma grade price. There are two names I trust as good as much as walgreens. One is even a licensed pharmaceutical company in its home country.
Fact is though you arent gonna get Tren ace and a slew of other steroids from any pharmacy because they were never approved for human use. So the next time you hear someone say, "I only buy pharma grade! Ugl is shiiiiit!" Tell them to suck your balls because one day they will have to do the hypocritical thing and use a UGL to get the more advanced steroids like tren.
Many UGL's out there are owed a million thanks for the options we have. Many esters and many steroids only exist because underground labs kept this dream alive.
Whether you use a tiny brewster or a super lab, they both have their advantages. Honesty, guarantees, and good folks can be found at both ends of the spectrum.
The iron brotherhood, source boards and ugl reps...
Many source boards exist for ugl's to advertise, and most claim to hold their "carefully vetted" sources feet to the fire.
First off... "Carefully vetted" does not mean shit on any board. If I take my ass to purple peter labs and order raws, brew them in my toilet, and pay the ad spot, I will officially be a "carefully vetted" lab.
Dont buy into that shit.
If I got the last spec of shit off the rim before I started brewing then the Benzyl Alc in the gear will most likely sterilize the gear unless I flipped a booger in there before bottling.
Some boards hold some of their sources feet to the fire. Some work off a payola system and have basically untouchable sources. Any negative claim made in any way against the source will be shot down if they are given the slightest possible means to do so. The same board may have 20 tiny brewster labs they really dont give a damn about. They may publically execute one once in a while to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy, like they are protected.
Some of these boards plain and simply have their hands in on a lab. If you try to bash it or if you say the slightest thing bad about it or even question it you will be immediately attacked from all sides. If you survive without a ban it will be a rare thing.
The iron brotherhood is where the real power is.
Hardcore people that spend their time logging their progress, being positive, and building strong circles of trust, make or break every ugl on the planet. If I have spoken to "demonkiller" online and built thirty lbs of LBM with him, over years, and he says, "That Goddam Elite Private screwed me!"...
Well, Elite Private is gonna take the hardest knock to their business they have ever seen, because now they have a group of stand up guys that newbies seek source advice from, spreading the word. You knock one or three pillars out in the basement of a high rise and the whole thing crashes down.
In the same token if the circle of brothers is getting top notch shit they will be there to stand up for their source if they get behind. They can take the smallest brewster and turn them into some rich mofos very quickly.
Source reps...
There are two kinds of reps.
#1 Iron brother reps.
They dont give two shits about a sources reputation if someone in the cicle of brothers gets fucked. They support their lab, advertise well, and like that they get gear or a little cash for the trouble. They keep tight lips about what goes on behind the scenes, they don't run their mouths and implicate themselves as knowing really anything beyond "Order from this guy they did me and my brothers good." and handling consumer relations with kid gloves.
I have seen two true iron brother reps step out and rip their sources ass and demand answers after they had fallen silent during customer grievances. They did so because they are the real deal and don't hang their reputation on a here today gone tomorrow ugl. They are everything a rep and iron brother should be. They know that the only appeal that really matters is the iron brotherhood, the "pillars". Newbies won't be buying from them either if long time straight forward guys tell them to avoid "Private Elite".
#2 The Pro rep.
Most know this guy. He has repped for a few sources and brags and brags and brags on each one until they disappear. He pretends to be the real deal when he is not running his mouth about info he should not even tell his mother in private.
Get to know him and he will tell you more shit than you care to hear. Half of it would make him a top person of interest in LE investigations if the wrong ear heard it. You do not want this guy having your personal info because he probably saves it so he has a bargaining chip in case the cops ever do kick the door in.
The biggest trait and give away to the pro rep not being an iron brother is the way they treat someone who questions their source or has grievances.
They blow their top, call names, argue and continue to argue with. any one who accuses their source of not being as good as pussy.
The act like children when they are supposed to be salesmen.
Let me tell you.... These are scum of the earth.
When I see one lay into a brother I have known to be calm for years and insult him, call him a liar, and shame him or her (I forgot to mention the few sisters sorry German) it makes me remember them forever. I will do anything I can to trash that UGL and blackball it in the circle.
These are salesmen, not judge, jury and executioner. If I got to Mcdonalds and politely tell them they forgot to put pickles on my burger and they cuss me then someone will get hurt.
If a ugl allows someone like this to rep for them it costs them more money than they can shake a stick at. I immediately classify that source as "do not order".
These boards are a Godsend in this subculture. The relationships formed here are why we have the options we do and why star sources are born or burn out. The golden rule applies on these boards like nowhere else. The lowest nobody can turn into the guy that breaks a ugl through a few dozen pm's.
You remember the people and treat them respectfully as a source. The toes you step on today may be in your ass tomorrow.
Now...
One last thing
Sources that go private...
Sources on some boards "Go private" meaning they leave the board for a while and return at a later date. Customers that use them will no longer be under the boards protection if bloods come back short etc...
DO NOT USE THEM they can cease orders temporarily if they are behind or need a break. If they leave there is a reason and you don't want to be caught in the midst of it.