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    Advice on 2nd cycle @Gearhead

    Hey gearhead to start please send me a PM with a way to contact you. I'd like to purchase coaching/advice from you.

    I'm planning my second cycle and would like some input on it.
    I've done a previous cycle of 620mg Test C/ week for 10 weeks with great results.

    Stats:
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    5' 8''
    ~185lb
    ~15% bodyfat

    Baseline Compounds:
    I'm on TRT on the following
    50mg Test EOD
    10IU HGH/ day (Started 4iu/day in May and have slowly worked my way to 10iu)
    250IU HCG EOD
    25-40IU insulin /day

    Other compounds I have on hand:
    Deca
    Primo
    Test
    Nolva
    Caber
    T3

    For my second cycle here is what I was planning:
    20 Week Cycle
    -Primo 400mg E3D
    -100-200mg Deca/Week
    -500mg Test + TRT Dose
    -10mg Nolva/day
    -250IU HCG EOD
    -25-40IU insulin/day
    -8-12IU HGH/day
    -50mg T3/day


    My diet is very good and I lift 6 days a week and do fasted cardio 5 to 7 days a week.
    My goal is to put on clean mass with this cycle and to prep myself for a much stronger cycle come summer.

    Please give me any advice/input.
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    This has to be one of the most aggressive 2nd cycles for 20weeks with 12iu of hgh and T3 and slin?? Others will chime in that know more than me but that is completely overkill for a guy who's 185lbs and 15%
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackfrost88 View Post
    This has to be one of the most aggressive 2nd cycles for 20weeks with 12iu of hgh and T3 and slin?? Others will chime in that know more than me but that is completely overkill for a guy who's 185lbs and 15%
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    A "much stronger" than 40 iu insulin and 12 iu GH cycle is pretty nutty lol.

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    Have you taken slin before? If not, then you are dancing with the devil.
    I would say 20 iu of slin ( after working up to it) would be sufficient.
    One of the rules that I follow is not to add more than one compound at a time. The reason being is because you may have some bad sides, retain extra water, etc etc. if you add multiple compounds, you do not know what is causing it- you are just guessing.
    HCG should be 250 2X/ week not EOD.
    I would also say you must have quite a bit of $ at the qty of hGH.
    IMO you are trying to run before you walk. I do not see why the hGh, why the T3, why the slin,etc. yes they do have their place in cycles, but being your 2nd cycle, I do not see the need at this point.


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    10iu HGH a day... Is it perscribed???

    As per above, aggressive second cycle... obviously it will work but why start with something so aggressive when you can get similar results from using much less? Less is more at this stage, use what your body needs then adjust doses dependant on progress.

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    How will you even know what compound is causing an issue if it comes up? Keep it simple and gradually add in more compounds and drugs through future cycles.
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    Run the primo and test toss in clen if you must and call it a day.

    Of course keep the AI and nolva on hand.

    Maybe try bits of slin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Have you taken slin before? If not, then you are dancing with the devil.
    I would say 20 iu of slin ( after working up to it) would be sufficient.
    One of the rules that I follow is not to add more than one compound at a time. The reason being is because you may have some bad sides, retain extra water, etc etc. if you add multiple compounds, you do not know what is causing it- you are just guessing.
    HCG should be 250 2X/ week not EOD.
    I would also say you must have quite a bit of $ at the qty of hGH.
    IMO you are trying to run before you walk. I do not see why the hGh, why the T3, why the slin,etc. yes they do have their place in cycles, but being your 2nd cycle, I do not see the need at this point.


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    Yes I've been using slin since october at doses up to 50iu per day. Along with T3 thrown in randomly.
    The money for HGH isn't in issue and I'm keeping the dose high to benefit myself in the long term for putting on size.

    My TRT script has me injecting EOD w/ Test C. It's through defy so I'm assuming the doc had a good reason. I am running the slin and HGH year round so that is why it's included in the cycle. The only new compounds I was adding in was the test and primo and deca , and I'm just running the deca at a dose on the higher end of a joint support dose.

    I know this isn't a simple cycle but I've got my mind pretty set on it and I want to give it a go to prep for a much stronger cycle later this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    Yes I've been using slin since october at doses up to 50iu per day. Along with T3 thrown in randomly.
    The money for HGH isn't in issue and I'm keeping the dose high to benefit myself in the long term for putting on size.

    My TRT script has me injecting EOD w/ Test C. It's through defy so I'm assuming the doc had a good reason. I am running the slin and HGH year round so that is why it's included in the cycle. The only new compounds I was adding in was the test and primo and deca , and I'm just running the deca at a dose on the higher end of a joint support dose.

    I know this isn't a simple cycle but I've got my mind pretty set on it and I want to give it a go to prep for a much stronger cycle later this year.
    Ok, so you've researched it and seem to know what's up

    I'd say run it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    Yes I've been using slin since october at doses up to 50iu per day. Along with T3 thrown in randomly.
    The money for HGH isn't in issue and I'm keeping the dose high to benefit myself in the long term for putting on size.

    My TRT script has me injecting EOD w/ Test C. It's through defy so I'm assuming the doc had a good reason. I am running the slin and HGH year round so that is why it's included in the cycle. The only new compounds I was adding in was the test and primo and deca , and I'm just running the deca at a dose on the higher end of a joint support dose.

    I know this isn't a simple cycle but I've got my mind pretty set on it and I want to give it a go to prep for a much stronger cycle later this year.
    Damn! How many IU at once?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    Yes I've been using slin since october at doses up to 50iu per day. Along with T3 thrown in randomly.
    The money for HGH isn't in issue and I'm keeping the dose high to benefit myself in the long term for putting on size.

    My TRT script has me injecting EOD w/ Test C. It's through defy so I'm assuming the doc had a good reason. I am running the slin and HGH year round so that is why it's included in the cycle. The only new compounds I was adding in was the test and primo and deca , and I'm just running the deca at a dose on the higher end of a joint support dose.

    I know this isn't a simple cycle but I've got my mind pretty set on it and I want to give it a go to prep for a much stronger cycle later this year.
    Your first post finishes by asking for advice but this post indicates your mind is made up.

    How can you accept feedback and constructive criticism if your mind is made up?

    Couchlock gave great advice, but are you actually looking for validation, not advice ?
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    You receptors are so fresh right now it’s truly a waste to run a cycle like that this early.

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    You are 25 with only one cycle of test and you had great results. I'm no vet but man you have many good years ahead of you. Personally I would listen to the advice given above. Why not just try upping the test and deca (if you're on TRT for life) for 16 weeks and see how that works before running 5 different things for 20 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    prep myself for a much stronger cycle come summer.

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    What does that mean?
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    I'm using 5-6IU in the morning before cardio and the same dose in the afternoon after lifting.


    I was just looking for ways to alter this cycle or do it more efficiently windex

    Kelkel, I am using this to build clean mass and up my strength before doing a aggressive cycle meant for putting on shear mass later this year. I'm taking advantage of using gearhead for coaching so am not going into these completely blind, as well as having put in a good amount of time on research of my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    Kelkel, I am using this to build clean mass and up my strength before doing a aggressive cycle meant for putting on shear mass later this year. I'm taking advantage of using gearhead for coaching so am not going into these completely blind, as well as having put in a good amount of time on research of my own
    Well, you are in excellent hands then. How are you looking currently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well, you are in excellent hands then. How are you looking currently?
    I look the best I ever have. 2 years ago I was ~130lbs and couldn't gain weight for the life of me. Had to do a very dirt bulk to get up to 185 over about 8 months with lifting. Probably hit 25% bodyfat though. Cut back down to ~165lbs and then have slowly worked my way back up to where I'm at using insuling and that 10 week test cycle. Stronger and putting up more weight in every exercise than I ever have.

    I've fractured my back twice so it's been a slow process for me to start lifting as it took almost 5 years from the 2nd injury to be able to lift any free-weights at all without having my back be destroyed for days.

    For anyone else with a similar injury I can't even tell you how much insulin has changed my life. It won't allow me to post links on here but insulin has very strong anti-inflammatory properties which caused most of my issues, because any use of those muscles would just turn them into a tight inflammed mess where I couldn't do any exercise without only feeling it in my injury spot. It does so much more than painkillers or muscle relaxers have ever done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    I look the best I ever have. 2 years ago I was ~130lbs and couldn't gain weight for the life of me. Had to do a very dirt bulk to get up to 185 over about 8 months with lifting. Probably hit 25% bodyfat though. Cut back down to ~165lbs and then have slowly worked my way back up to where I'm at using insuling and that 10 week test cycle. Stronger and putting up more weight in every exercise than I ever have.

    I've fractured my back twice so it's been a slow process for me to start lifting as it took almost 5 years from the 2nd injury to be able to lift any free-weights at all without having my back be destroyed for days.

    For anyone else with a similar injury I can't even tell you how much insulin has changed my life. It won't allow me to post links on here but insulin has very strong anti-inflammatory properties which caused most of my issues, because any use of those muscles would just turn them into a tight inflammed mess where I couldn't do any exercise without only feeling it in my injury spot. It does so much more than painkillers or muscle relaxers have ever done.
    This is very interesting. I have spoken about insulin painkilling properties before, its extremely potent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    This is very interesting. I have spoken about insulin painkilling properties before, its extremely potent.
    It doesn't seem to be a painkiller in the way normal pills are. It reduces inflammation greatly so I am able to actually workout all those muscles that were so weak and stubborn that as soon as I exerted them they tightend and swolled up where I couldn't strengthen them or make progress. If you google "insulin and inflammation" there are a few studies showing it reduces inflammation. 10-15IU doses do wonders for me. I can't post links for having under 25 posts or I'd link it.

    Seriously life changing. I spent 5 years trying every pill and physical therapy there was and now on my 4th month of insulin I've set PR's for every exercise and can actually work those muscles.
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    Damn bro not trying to hate but you could get to 200lbs with just test and deca or dbol ....little extreme there... well no way extreme using slin and growth.....ehhh i wouldnt advise that myself but youre going to do it anyway i believe just be careful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anon19283 View Post
    Hey gearhead to start please send me a PM with a way to contact you. I'd like to purchase coaching/advice from you.

    I'm planning my second cycle and would like some input on it.
    I've done a previous cycle of 620mg Test C/ week for 10 weeks with great results.

    Stats:
    25yo
    5' 8''
    ~185lb
    ~15% bodyfat

    Baseline Compounds:
    I'm on TRT on the following
    50mg Test EOD
    10IU HGH/ day (Started 4iu/day in May and have slowly worked my way to 10iu)
    250IU HCG EOD
    25-40IU insulin /day

    Other compounds I have on hand:
    Deca
    Primo
    Test
    Nolva
    Caber
    T3

    For my second cycle here is what I was planning:
    20 Week Cycle
    -Primo 400mg E3D
    -100-200mg Deca/Week
    -500mg Test + TRT Dose
    -10mg Nolva/day
    -250IU HCG EOD
    -25-40IU insulin/day
    -8-12IU HGH/day
    -50mg T3/day


    My diet is very good and I lift 6 days a week and do fasted cardio 5 to 7 days a week.
    My goal is to put on clean mass with this cycle and to prep myself for a much stronger cycle come summer.

    Please give me any advice/input.
    When do you plan on starting this cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Damn bro not trying to hate but you could get to 200lbs with just test and deca or dbol....little extreme there... well no way extreme using slin and growth.....ehhh i wouldnt advise that myself but youre going to do it anyway i believe just be careful
    The only new compounds I'm adding into this is the Primo. I've done everything else. And am just upping my TRT dose of Deca from 100mg to 200mg/week. I plan on getting a good base with this cycle to run a higher dose Deca/Dbol /Test cycle later this year to really bulk up. I'm using this to build a stronger base.

    I'm starting this cycle the 1st week of Feb

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