Test base of 100mg enough?

[simm]

Just been reading a post by gearheaded about running low dose test and adding other compounds to the mix. Would 100mg test cypionate every 7 days compensate for dropping natural levels when adding tbol? Or a higher test level needed?

[YERDADDY]

100 to 150 a week is a common TRT protocol. Should be plenty to keep test at normal physiological levels while shut down by other steroids .

[< <Samson> >]

One CC of 250mg Cyp every 7 days has been doing me just fine

100 seems a bit low to me

But, I damn near consider all gear we take as at least 10-20% underdosed

[simm]

Thanks guys. I'm just in a dilemma as don't want to take what I don't need as excess water weight is detrimental to my sport.
I'll try 100mg test cypionate for week 1 and go by feel. I'll add tbol week 3-8 so 6wks tbol with max of 200mg cypionate weekly.

[Cuz]

100mg 1x a week is shit...put me at like 330 total test if you stick 100mg at least do 2x per week at 50mg.....to help stabilize. This was pharm grade also, which netted me low numbers

[EDCG19]

100mg 1x a week is shit...put me at like 330 total test if you stick 100mg at least do 2x per week at 50mg.....to help stabilize. This was pharm grade also, which netted me low numbers

Sounds like fake gear, 100mg of test and total is around 300s?

Something doesn't make sense.

[Cuz]

Sounds like fake gear, 100mg of test and total is around 300s?

Something doesn't make sense.

Legit. Watson pharm grade, just goes to show we all react differently to it...100mg is a starting trt dose as is, i knew i needed more to function, considering my natty levels were 205...i hang around 180mg now

[EDCG19]

Legit. Watson pharm grade, just goes to show we all react differently to it...100mg is a starting trt dose as is, i knew i needed more to function, considering my natty levels were 205...i hang around 180mg now

What does 180 bring you up to

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[< <Samson> >]

I try to stick to the ol' fashioned cc a week(just makes life easier)

With "real" long ester gear it puts me at right over 1k total

[GearHeaded]

Keep in mind OP , that the numbers guys achieve and the way they feel on TRT is going to be different for you.. being low T and then getting on TRT long term shuts guys down. they have to have substantial test numbers from their exogenous test in order to function well.

You on the other hand, IF you have naturally good endogenous test levels, and if your just jumping on a light cycle for say 7 weeks would not need as high a dosage as you would if you were an actual TRT patient. This is because when you start (lets say its 100mg of test) your cycle you won't be "shut down". you'll have both the endogenous test and exogenous test combined (a guy on TRT is dependent on only what he injects).
depending on what other drugs you run , this combined natty and exogenous test may carry you through for a good 5-8 weeks.

your not really looking for optimal ng/dl total levels of test for your cycle.. you just need a bit extra exogenous test in there to provide you with some estrogen and dht conversion which will likely fall off as you get into your cycle

[EDCG19]

Keep in mind OP , that the numbers guys achieve and the way they feel on TRT is going to be different for you.. being low T and then getting on TRT long term shuts guys down. they have to have substantial test numbers from their exogenous test in order to function well.

You on the other hand, IF you have naturally good endogenous test levels, and if your just jumping on a light cycle for say 7 weeks would not need as high a dosage as you would if you were an actual TRT patient. This is because when you start (lets say its 100mg of test) your cycle you won't be "shut down". you'll have both the endogenous test and exogenous test combined (a guy on TRT is dependent on only what he injects).
depending on what other drugs you run , this combined natty and exogenous test may carry you through for a good 5-8 weeks.

your not really looking for optimal ng/dl total levels of test for your cycle.. you just need a bit extra exogenous test in there to provide you with some estrogen and dht conversion which will likely fall off as you get into your cycle

I heard something the other day that contradicts what I have heard for some time...
Using AAS even just one time will likely not permanently shut you down forever and its an exaggerated claim to keep people off of the gear use but if anyone does a proper PTC after TRT or running actual heavier cycles they will most likely have their lowish test function return within some time since the body will return back to the normal low range as it heals? Any thoughts? Can your body begin to produce low test after stopping completely and you won't be in permanent shutdown forever?

[simm]

Thanks for the replies. Very informative reading. I totally understand the reasoning behind low and high test dosages. I have just been looking through my most recent blood test results and the 9-32 reading I was 13 making me as I'd guess low end normal free testosterone meaning I'd need a slightly higher test dosage administered. I'll be taking tbol later with the cypionate too

[GearHeaded]

I heard something the other day that contradicts what I have heard for some time...
Using AAS even just one time will likely not permanently shut you down forever and its an exaggerated claim to keep people off of the gear use but if anyone does a proper PTC after TRT or running actual heavier cycles they will most likely have their lowish test function return within some time since the body will return back to the normal low range as it heals? Any thoughts? Can your body begin to produce low test after stopping completely and you won't be in permanent shutdown forever?

heck you can run gear nearly year round for 15 years straight and still recover just fine (look at Dave Palumbo).. you can run multiple cycles per year and not bother with PCT and be just fine.
the reason PCT is so popular is mainly so guys can run gear, recover as soon as possible so that they can get back on the gear sooner. but you could decide to not do pct and you still have a good chance of recovering .


BUT, if your on TRT to begin with , the assumption here is that the doc put you on TRT for the reason that you don't produce enough test to begin with. so NO , your not going to cycle, do trt etc. and then one day recover natty optimal test levels. you were shot to begin with.
guys that are on TRT are indefinitely shut down . guys that are not on TRT and just cycle when they want are not indefinitely shut down (though perhaps one day they may be)

[fiddlesticks]

What would be very interesting would be a double whammy shbg lowering combo of say low dose insulin with sd or something (lets say... 2iu and 2mg a day) on the low dose test. Probably bump free T up tremendously

[Cuz]

What does 180 bring you up to

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180 put me at 770 total and 200mg put me at 990, nowadays the higher i go the more i convert to estrogen which sucks but the lower dose helps keep the sides at bay plus i can function fairly well i feel 180 is my sweet spot

[Windex]

Just been reading a post by gearheaded about running low dose test and adding other compounds to the mix. Would 100mg test cypionate every 7 days compensate for dropping natural levels when adding tbol? Or a higher test level needed?

I would be pinning Test C at twice per week not once a week to maintain stable blood levels. Pinning once a week is going to put your body on a roller coaster.

[simm]

Windex. That's exactly what I'll doing as I found try sites now that promote 2x weekly injections to keep stabalize blood levels. I definitely don't want to rollercoaster effect lol. Thanks

[Rjr1983]

Remember also that by running 100mg of test then other compounds at high doses means that potentially you may be competing for androgen receptor space with the test. And running deca for example, which has a higher binding affinity with those receptors then test, may possibly limit what you get out of the test dose. Of course, bio-individuality means that some will find great success with such a cycle, and others may feel like shit. Test it out ( no pun intended) and adjust accordingly...

[GearHeaded]

Remember also that by running 100mg of test then other compounds at high doses means that potentially you may be competing for androgen receptor space with the test. And running deca for example, which has a higher binding affinity with those receptors then test, may possibly limit what you get out of the test dose. Of course, bio-individuality means that some will find great success with such a cycle, and others may feel like shit. Test it out ( no pun intended) and adjust accordingly...

not to be an ass . but I used to think this as well, and its a common thing you hear online and across the boards. BUT when you spend just a bit of time studying cellular biology, you find out this is not quite how it works (though its sounds nice and reasonable in a bro science sort of way). drugs do NOT and cannot compete for androgen receptors.
couple points .

- the higher dosages and more drugs you take , your body simply makes more androgen receptors (not because anything is competing, its just that drugs themselves up regulate this process)

- drugs don't bind to androgen receptors and stay 'stuck' there forever. they bind, communicate information to the cell, they release, and then then they move along to do the same things elsewhere. the faster a drug can bind, relay info to DNA, and move on, the more efficient that drug is.
these drugs are not competing for receptors, in fact they are bouncing around sharing them and moving on.

- also, you have enough actual androgen receptors that even if you injected 10,000mg of test and 10,000mg of tren in one sitting, that that wouldn't be enough to fully saturate them all and then have the drugs compete.. even though this would result in production of more androgen receptors and more AR density, there is still already more then enough to go around.

[simm]

Very interesting. I didn't fully understand the androgen receptor issue. Thanks for the information.
From what I've read I'll be pinning 100mg 2x week a and also adding tbol 3wks in. The cruise and blast with trt level test loos interesting too

[Rjr1983]

Full disclosure im just regurgitating some scott Stevenson info, and probably not perfectly

[GearHeaded]

Full disclosure im just regurgitating some scott Stevenson info, and probably not perfectly

Scott stevenson is extremely bright . I'd love to listen to that discussion about "receptor competition" in full context . do you have any idea where you heard him discussing this ?

[Rjr1983]

Scott stevenson is extremely bright . I'd love to listen to that discussion about "receptor competition" in full context . do you have any idea where you heard him discussing this ?

Yeah, just listened this morning while running through back episodes of muscle minds. It was episode 23, about 45-50 minites in. They're responding to a nearly identical question from their forum.

[Aerospace]

No .