Masteron, Tren whats easier on your hair?

[wizzy]

Been asking a lot of hair questions out of curiosity, everyone's different was wondering how your hairline has been impacted by either of these compounds which are meant to be the "harshest" on the hair. Personally am o.k. on tren haven't run masteron .

[Testlolblast]

Been asking a lot of hair questions out of curiosity, everyone's different was wondering how your hairline has been impacted by either of these compounds which are meant to be the "harshest" on the hair. Personally am o.k. on tren haven't run masteron.

As much I know: tren has more androgenic related sides, so if you ok while on tren you should be fine also running masteron in an average cycle dose. Dunno how your scalp could react if you decide to cycle them both in a heavy dose.

[AlphaMindz]

From what I've seen tren is def harder on the hair line for guys with the MPB gene.

[GearHeaded]

From what I've seen tren is def harder on the hair line for guys with the MPB gene.

agree . IF you can run tren and you don't shed hair, then your likely going to have no problem with masteron (as the reason for hair loss from either of these compounds is similar, ie., from their androgenic nature , and tren is 5x more androgenic then mast or test).

note: keep in mind with test you can lose hair via other mechanisms, like test converting to DHT (Mast and Tren do NOT convert to DHT . but they are androgenic like DHT and thus will stimulate receptors in similar ways)

[AlphaMindz]

agree . IF you can run tren and you don't shed hair, then your likely going to have no problem with masteron (as the reason for hair loss from either of these compounds is similar, ie., from their androgenic nature , and tren is 5x more androgenic then mast or test).

note: keep in mind with test you can lose hair via other mechanisms, like test converting to DHT (Mast and Tren do NOT convert to DHT . but they are androgenic like DHT and thus will stimulate receptors in similar ways)

A lot of guys think it's only the DHT derived compounds that will cause hair loss but test is just as bad in many cases. And since most people run AI's these days their body is FORCED to make more DHT since estrogen conversion is being suppressed which subsequently will increase DHT then stimulates hair loss.

Honestly, and this is just MY opinion and what I would do personally IF I had MPB.... I would run the least amount of test possible while still maintaining libido and sexual function (so low end trt dose with maybe a little EQ) and just blast the hell outta anabolics like primo, deca , anavar , and winny...I would take the smallest possible dose of adex if even needed at all, and I would also run finasteride.

[fiddlesticks]

And another thing is the combo of minoxidil and capsaicin is extremely effective at growing hair back, I dont have severe balding or anything but I actually grew a part of my temple that was receded a small amount with that combo. Stimulates blood flow very very potently.. If you're prone to baldness i would run that combo constantly on cycle. No real downsides besides the capsaicin may hurt.

[Obs]

And another thing is the combo of minoxidil and capsaicin is extremely effective at growing hair back, I dont have severe balding or anything but I actually grew a part of my temple that was receded a small amount with that combo. Stimulates blood flow very very potently.. If you're prone to baldness i would run that combo constantly on cycle. No real downsides besides the capsaicin may hurt.

You really have me curious about... Capsaicin

[Quester]

And another thing is the combo of minoxidil and capsaicin is extremely effective at growing hair back, I dont have severe balding or anything but I actually grew a part of my temple that was receded a small amount with that combo. Stimulates blood flow very very potently.. If you're prone to baldness i would run that combo constantly on cycle. No real downsides besides the capsaicin may hurt.

So, if you stimulate blood flow and the DHT is in the blood, wouldn't you get increased DHT to the scalp causing more hair loss?

[GearHeaded]

So, if you stimulate blood flow and the DHT is in the blood, wouldn't you get increased DHT to the scalp causing more hair loss?

good question, but..

I don't think blood serum levels of DHT are the issue. DHT isn't floating around in the blood waiting to be bound to hair, prostate, etc.. DHT is generally "locally expressed" , meaning the 5-alpha reductase is located in, for example the prostate tissue itself, and its here that DHT is created and bound (its not coming from blood serum levels of DHT).

I'm no expert on DHT's localized expression in hair , but pretty sure its just like the prostate and DHT is made in the hair foilc itself (by the 5 alpha reductase) and then bound their locally at the same time


HOWEVER - amino acid proteins, collagen, etc.. that would be responsible for growing and repair hair IS found in the blood stream . so blood flow to the hair would be important for growth

note: when you use a DHT blocker, your not blocking DHT in the blood, your blocking the local enzyme (5 alpha reductase) in a given tissue from locally expressing/making DHT in that tissue and allowing it to bind

[fiddlesticks]

So, if you stimulate blood flow and the DHT is in the blood, wouldn't you get increased DHT to the scalp causing more hair loss?

In my own observation this does not happen but I did think this as well. iGF and insulin are both shown to increase hair stimulation and capsaicin stimulates both of them so that probably is a factor

[Quester]

good question, but..

I don't think blood serum levels of DHT are the issue. DHT isn't floating around in the blood waiting to be bound to hair, prostate, etc.. DHT is generally "locally expressed" , meaning the 5-alpha reductase is located in, for example the prostate tissue itself, and its here that DHT is created and bound (its not coming from blood serum levels of DHT).

I'm no expert on DHT's localized expression in hair , but pretty sure its just like the prostate and DHT is made in the hair foilc itself (by the 5 alpha reductase) and then bound their locally at the same time


HOWEVER - amino acid proteins, collagen, etc.. that would be responsible for growing and repair hair IS found in the blood stream . so blood flow to the hair would be important for growth

note: when you use a DHT blocker, your not blocking DHT in the blood, your blocking the local enzyme (5 alpha reductase) in a given tissue from locally expressing/making DHT in that tissue and allowing it to bind

One of the things I like about your posts the most is that you beak things don in a simplistic way yet still retain the essence of the concepts that otherwise would have made it complex. Very elegant. Making the complex simple to understand without omitting any of the necessary aspects. You could never be a university professor; they are very good at doing the opposite.

[GearHeaded]

One of the things I like about your posts the most is that you beak things don in a simplistic way yet still retain the essence of the concepts that otherwise would have made it complex. Very elegant. Making the complex simple to understand without omitting any of the necessary aspects. You could never be a university professor; they are very good at doing the opposite.

appreciate it brother. well we are all for the most part a bunch of gym rats here. keeping things simplistic is just going to be more helpful for most everyone involved (and for guys that want to do further research and study the concepts in much further depth, thats always available to them)

[fiddlesticks]

Anyone who is concerned about hair loss really has nothing to lose with the capsaicin minoxidil combo, no crazy sexual sides like a 5ari. The only downside is the nature of capsaicin, the potential pain it can cause is debilitating. Again, I have had very little actual hair loss so I'm probably bound to respond better but i saw new vellus hairs appear within a few weeks. They aren't really " new" , it's just dormant hair coming back to life. And as a very interesting side note, I had a few vellus hairs growing on my forehead... Like one of those werewolf people.

[kelkel]

Remember Finasteride has also been shown to help regenerate hair growth after continual use.

[redz]

Neither has any effect on my hairline. This comes down to genetics more than anything. The hair gods blessed me lol.

[fiddlesticks]

Remember Finasteride has also been shown to help regenerate hair growth after continual use.

Anecdotally its been shown to help alot of people's penis malfunction too lol. I would just stick w the vasodilators.

[JohnnyV85]

agree . IF you can run tren and you don't shed hair, then your likely going to have no problem with masteron (as the reason for hair loss from either of these compounds is similar, ie., from their androgenic nature , and tren is 5x more androgenic then mast or test).

note: keep in mind with test you can lose hair via other mechanisms, like test converting to DHT (Mast and Tren do NOT convert to DHT . but they are androgenic like DHT and thus will stimulate receptors in similar ways)

GH can you elaborate on that a little further please? Does DHT conversion benefit us in any way, like how aromatization is beneficial for building muscle. And is there any way of blocking that conversion to prevent or minimize hair loss?

[fiddlesticks]

GH can you elaborate on that a little further please? Does DHT conversion benefit us in any way, like how aromatization is beneficial for building muscle. And is there any way of blocking that conversion to prevent or minimize hair loss?

Apparently low DHT is the reason you feel god awful when test is low.

[GearHeaded]

GH can you elaborate on that a little further please? Does DHT conversion benefit us in any way, like how aromatization is beneficial for building muscle. And is there any way of blocking that conversion to prevent or minimize hair loss?

not only does DHT benefit us , its absolutely needed in order for us to function as a man (and to become a man in the first place). DHT is what turned us from a fetus, into a boy, and thus into a man. DHT is responsible for all male characteristics and formation and function of male sex organs. DHT is needed to achieve an erection, grow a beard, etc..

so yes its pretty important

BUT, even though DHT is a powerful androgen , its not anabolic in muscle tissue. DHT is deactivated by 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3HSD) in skeletal muscle tissue . 3HSD is an enzyme that is found in skeletal muscle that deactivates circulating DHT, rendering it inactive (non anabolic ) .. so DHT can't directly build muscle, even though its known to be a powerful androgen.

so MORE dht then what we need for male functions is not going to be beneficial to us in building muscle. in fact too much will cause problems like acne, hair loss, prostate issues etc..

YES there are DHT blockers (thats what most prostate and hair loss prevention drugs are, DHT blockers). these work similar to how a SERM works with estrogen blocking. DHT is produced by an enzyme, 5 alpha reductase, that converts testosterone into DHT. however most DHT blockers don't stop this conversion process from happening, they stop the binding of the DHT at the receptor site (both the 5 alpha reductase enzyme and the receptor are local within the same tissue .. so a DHT blocker would bind within the prostate for example and keep the DHT that is produced their from binding) <--- thats very simple and more details can be said, but you probably get the point.


NOTE: keep in mind that DHT itself is NOT anabolic. but DHT derived steroids are usually very anabolic. this is because these drugs are already 5 alpha reductase reduced by their very structure, and cannot be further reduced in the body, and also are not effected at all by the 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme that renders naturally produced DHT inactive in muscle tissue

So DHT derived steroids are usually very efficient and effective , as they do not convert to estrogen, do not convert to DHT (not subject to 5 alpha reductase enzyme) and are not subject to 3HSD. so 100% of their structure can be directed to anabolic actions (whereas with something like Testosterone this is not the case at all , not even close, as most Test is converted or bound up)

[wizzy]

I find it weird people saying masteron is harsher on the hairline on other forums, guess everyone responds differently though I can't see why that's the case knowing tren is much more androgenic and the hairloss isn't due to DHT sensitivity.

[wizzy]

About to run some mast now pray to God I don't lose hair. Mothers family is bald(ing) in their 50s and 60s tren didn't touch me hope mast doesn't ay. wish me luckk

[redz]

It is important to note no steroids will cause any hair loss if you don’t have male pattern baldness in your genes. Typically you can just look at your father and tell what your future holds.