Tbol & PCT (Please Read)

[Natedogg84]

Hey guys,
I have some questions and I know the Tbol and pct questions have been done MANY times on the forum, but I have a little twist and need some input. I'm mid 30's, 6'2'', 200 lbs, hard gainer, have run cycles in the past, and have done a tbol only cycle that I was happy with.
The doctor put me on 25mg clomiphene every day, about 1.5 years ago for low T, and my numbers have been great since.
Due to my work situation, I am doing a Tbol only cycle, and I know that this usually doesn't go over well in the forums, but like I said, I don't want to and can't do a cycle that is going to bring attention my way and highly prefer slow yet quality gains that are easier to keep. I would be very happy with a 5 lb quality gain after it was all said and done.
Due to me already taking the clomiphene....how should I run this? Should I stop taking it while on cycle and jump back on when I'm done? Should I take anything else during or after?
Any input would be great, I really appreciate it!

[Quester]

-I really hope you get the advice your looking for; it would be interesting to see something.
-However, I fear the question is like asking, "I'm not putting tires on my car but I really want to race, and I'm satisfied with coming in last, please give me a strategy other than dumping the car on the track and staying parked on the track until the end of the race."
-You've aluded to the possibility that it isn't a fear of needles but perhaps a wife, job, probation officer or rehab reason for not being able to inject. However, we pick on the ones who are to scared to inject because injection is healthier and one has to conquer fear to achieve. Our advice that they need to either do it right or not at all isn't picking on them, it's just true. So, the answers you will get here are probably just going to reaffirm that.
-I wish it could be different as well and wait to see if the responses to your question to see if maybe there is a possibility to do it without doing the most fundamentals.

[Quester]

Another use of a Tbol only cycle might be MMA, and other things where one gets tested. This might be a popular cycle for those people. I wonder how they do it and if their is any information in their social-circles/social-media that might help you. Jon Jones has lots of experience with this kind of cycle. Maybe you might want to include that culture in your search for more information if no one can help you here.

[Windex]

-I really hope you get the advice your looking for; it would be interesting to see something.
-However, I fear the question is like asking, "I'm not putting tires on my car but I really want to race, and I'm satisfied with coming in last, please give me a strategy other than dumping the car on the track and staying parked on the track until the end of the race."
-You've aluded to the possibility that it isn't a fear of needles but perhaps a wife, job, probation officer or rehab reason for not being able to inject. However, we pick on the ones who are to scared to inject because injection is healthier and one has to conquer fear to achieve. Our advice that they need to either do it right or not at all isn't picking on them, it's just true. So, the answers you will get here are probably just going to reaffirm that.
-I wish it could be different as well and wait to see if the responses to your question to see if maybe there is a possibility to do it without doing the most fundamentals.

This is the perfect analogy.

You're asking a loaded question because a Tbol only cycle is not a recipe for success, nor is using Clomid long-term as a substitute for testosterone injections to treat low T. 5 lbs of muscle is not going to happen on a Tbol only cycle, and even if this was Disneyland and you goot 5 lbs of muscle, you are going to lose it as soon as the oral steroid stops.

The question never goes over well because it's simply not a smart approach. Oral steroids will shut down your natural levels, clomid does not replace testosterone injections, and your body cannot function optimally, let alone for performance without testosterone.

If you are not able to do injections for whatever your personal reasons may be, unfortunately cycling should not be a consideration for you - there is just no way around that.

I would take the time to read the educational threads / stickies as they will provide you the educational foundation to understand the ins/outs of cycling.

[GearHeaded]

I'll take the other avenue here just to give OP another opinion to think about

Yes you can run Tbol only. its very very simple. you stay with you current protocol. you run Tbol at 50mg for 5-6 weeks. you come off and continue with your normal clomid protocol.

your not going to pop a couple Tbol pills from day one and then suddenly get completely shut down and have no test in your body. in fact your body will likely continue to produce test, but suppression will begin to occur at some point and your production will begin to taper off. thats why you only run it about 5 or so weeks. Tbol has a short half life and will be out of your system in a short time. As suppression begins to fully set in and you come off the Tbol it will clear and you'll likely bounce back. taking the Clomid will obviously help.

^ this is not ideal . and I would not expect a whole lot of gains out of doing something like this. your much better running exogenous test with your cycles. however, running Tbol only with Clomid for a short blast isn't going to kill you lol. you'll be just fine and you may get some minor gains.
heck you may not even get shut down a whole lot and even feel any suppressive effects.