Whats the point of tren?

[morton30]

i am 5 weeks into a 10 week trenbolone enanthate cycle taking 200mg twice a week and taking 100mg test cypionate twice a week with 0.25 arimidex i am also taking Dopa Mucuna Pruriens to counter prolactin so 400mg tren 200mg test a week. and i feel so lethargic i have gone 3 days so far without lifting hoping it will pass after reading up on these fourms other people has had the same. so what is the point if i can not even lift aswell i feel absolutely miserable all the problems in my life gets multiplied 100x im also falling asleep like 5 in the morning and waking up like 8 or 9. im sure if i was not getting these sides the results would be amazing i have seen them from others but what am i doing wrong i just cant work it out

[EDCG19]

to lose your hair quicker!!!

[Obs]

Lethargy is something you gotta work through. Monitor BP and add in Ephedrine and caffeine.

It only just started getting real at week five.
That being said there are worse things for lethargy.
Insulin at 40 iu per day will knock your dick in the dirt as well. Just gotta push through.

Remember, your hormones are in your control now. Sometimes you gotta tell yourself you feel fine even when you feel like dog mess.

[tbjake34]

For me when I use tren e the week it kicks in I feel like dog shit , tired, depressed, anxious. But after that I feel amazing it’s weird it’s the same every time about wk 4-5 I feel like shit when it first kicks in

[Windex]

i am 5 weeks into a 10 week trenbolone enanthate cycle taking 200mg twice a week and taking 100mg test cypionate twice a week with 0.25 arimidex i am also taking Dopa Mucuna Pruriens to counter prolactin so 400mg tren 200mg test a week. and i feel so lethargic i have gone 3 days so far without lifting hoping it will pass after reading up on these fourms other people has had the same. so what is the point if i can not even lift aswell i feel absolutely miserable all the problems in my life gets multiplied 100x im also falling asleep like 5 in the morning and waking up like 8 or 9. im sure if i was not getting these sides the results would be amazing i have seen them from others but what am i doing wrong i just cant work it out

Over the counter herbal supplements are not what you want to be using to counter prolactin. The lethargy may be due to prolactin and hormones in general being in flux. You will want pharmaceuticals; either Dostinex (Cabergoline) or Pramiplexol to counter prolactin, not something from a health shop. Getting bloodwork done would be a good way to guide you.

[redz]

I’m currently on 350mg Tren E, 200mg Tren ace and I’m not having any lethargy. I do 45 minutes of cardio daily. You just gotta work out hard no matter what even if you feel a bit off. Nothing that comes easy is worth having. You have to decide how bad you want this.

[< <Samson> >]

Face palm all around

Do yourself a favor, do some good research

[Couchlockd]

Tren if anything, is an excuse to buy new sheets. From what I'm told.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

400mg of tren per week is too much for a first time user IMHO.
I would rather see you run 200 tren and 400 test.

BTW: I am sure someone will disagree and recommend running another steroid like mast on top of it all to make you feel better.
I am of the belief that more is not always better.

[< <Samson> >]

Yup, I always add mast to my tren cycles

But, now everything is fairly at low doses. Test at about 500 max, about 150-200mg a week of tren ace + 300 or so of mast prop


No more of this high dose shit for me, I'm big enough - I ran all three into the one gram range when I 1st got all steroid happy. I grew, but I felt like shit most of the time from fighting off sides.

[Obs]

Tren is the gateway drug.

Next thing you know you are strung out on 3 nors and in a truckstop bathroom shooting two grams of test, snorting crushed up bronkaid.

You walk around hearing people mouth you that aren't... Off to yourself babbling about the sumbitches and dirdy bastards. Poor gf is lying on the couch nearly fkd to death! NEARLY TO DEATH ffs! That sucks too because you liked couch but now he has to die! He is one of the sumbitches! The damn dirdy bastard sumbitches!

TREN DEAR GOD WHY

[KennyJ]

Tren is the gateway drug.

Next thing you know you are strung out on 3 nors and in a truckstop bathroom shooting two grams of test, snorting crushed up bronkaid.

You walk around hearing people mouth you that aren't... Off to yourself babbling about the sumbitches and dirdy bastards. Poor gf is lying on the couch nearly fkd to death! NEARLY TO DEATH ffs! That sucks too because you liked couch but now he has to die! He is one of the sumbitches! The damn dirdy bastard sumbitches!

TREN DEAR GOD WHY

If this don't make you laugh.....

[Family_guy]

tren is the gateway drug.

Next thing you know you are strung out on 3 nors and in a truckstop bathroom shooting two grams of test, snorting crushed up bronkaid.

You walk around hearing people mouth you that aren't... Off to yourself babbling about the sumbitches and dirdy bastards. Poor gf is lying on the couch nearly fkd to death! Nearly to death ffs! That sucks too because you liked couch but now he has to die! He is one of the sumbitches! The damn dirdy bastard sumbitches!

Tren dear god why

nearly to death!!!

lmfao

[Obs]

I cant be as hard on guys as some about early tren use. Its just anotger compound. Those willing to use steroids better be braced for their natty test to never come back like it was.

I been over this many times. Cycling in my eyes is a circle jerk waste of time.

Muscle works like this for me:

New muscle is just that, an infant. Until you have carried it around and hardened it out over the better part of a year it is just a little baby and it will fade away off cycle.

Once you have carried it a good while and hardened out it is much harder to lose.
This is why I blast ten months out of the year rotating compounds and cruise for two months.

I get some new mass early on and hold for many months. Then I trt and slin it up a while and start again.

I say this with total disregard to anyones safety and natural hormone stasis. My way will probably screw both. I just dont see why guys wanting to impress girls two months out of the year use aas.

I came here to be freak man bull. Freak man bull no live at reasonable dosage, time on = time off + pct.

In my world you pick up a rifle and get in the thick of the shit or sit and wait to be attacked.

I am in the thick of shit with a big cannon syringe and some big ass dumbells. Why would I waste my time blowing up and shrinking?

Just competitive nature vs mediocre I guess.


All this post was opinion. I ain't yer doctor.
Yes I feel like shit a lot. Pound 80iu of slin in one day with 1000 grams of carbs and let me know how great you all felt. It sucks. The cost is high, but ot is paid and I roll....

I roll like... Something that rolls a lot and really fast.

[AlphaMindz]

i am 5 weeks into a 10 week trenbolone enanthate cycle taking 200mg twice a week and taking 100mg test cypionate twice a week with 0.25 arimidex i am also taking Dopa Mucuna Pruriens to counter prolactin so 400mg tren 200mg test a week. and i feel so lethargic i have gone 3 days so far without lifting hoping it will pass after reading up on these fourms other people has had the same. so what is the point if i can not even lift aswell i feel absolutely miserable all the problems in my life gets multiplied 100x im also falling asleep like 5 in the morning and waking up like 8 or 9. im sure if i was not getting these sides the results would be amazing i have seen them from others but what am i doing wrong i just cant work it out

This is why it's recommended to run tren ace on your first run cause the side effects can be brutal for some. I always get the insomnia and increased irritability after about 4-5 days and fades about 2 weeks in, but this has gotten much better which each time I've run it. I also do a lot less these days and keep my runs very short...

IMO it's better to run tren ace at about 50mg eod for about 6 weeks MAX! Then come off and rotate another compound in like winny or mast (unless you're competing then it's a diff game). Not only will this approach minimize side effects but it will also allow your body to remain receptive to the drug for future runs.

The prob with tren e is now you have to wait a good two weeks for these sides to wear off and that's if you stopped dosing it....If you continue dosing (which is what I would do personally, but then again I've never felt as shitty as you're describing) then you have to find ways to mitigate the sides.

For one, take something to help you sleep...You can go the natural route with gaba, melatonin, and sleepy time tea (helps but if you're like me that shit won't touch you lol but for many people they will suffice) or the pharm route with an ambien or maybe a quarter of a xanax or clodopin (do NOT take benzos in doses above the bare minimum that you need to feel relief and only use for short periods of time) they're very physically addictive and I've had friends over the years develop probs with them and they're extremely difficult to get off BUT they also work extremely well SO they're a great tool for responsible people who aren't seeking to escape their probs cause then the chance of addiction is fairly high I'd imagine.

So those are some things you can use to help you sleep, and fixing the sleep issue alone will make you feel 100 times better! Another thing you'll want to address is the increase in prolactin that you're likely experiencing atm. My personal solution to prolactin was adding proviron to my regimen as I wanted to stay away from DA's if possible. Luckily the proviron was enough to blunt prolactin and the sexual sides I was experiencing subsided within a few days which I was impressed by cause proviron has a rep for being a useless and weak drug, but for the purpose it worked quite well.

Once you get a good nights sleep and get your energy back you're gonna be able to go beast mode in the gym and watch the magic happen as your nutrient partitioning becomes flawless and every last ounce of glycogen is jammed into your muscles! Your androgen receptors are saturated at this point so you'll notice your delts start capping and traps fill out almost over night lol. Also, be careful not to injure yourself because you're going to get very fucking strong so be sure to spend a solid 15 mins warming up and don't increase the weight too fast (a good tip here from my exp is going up in weight with ONE rep sets to let your connective tissue and joints "feel" the weight and you'll be able to tell by how your elbows and shoulders feel during the movement if that weight is too much..

For example - Let's say your max bench is 225...Once the tren is peaked in your system you should be able to lift 275 and your joints/ct should be able to handle that weight..Now fast forward another two weeks or so, and assuming you're eating enough food then you'll likely be able to hit 315, BUT it doesn't mean you should lol! Your joints/ct probably haven't caught up yet and you may open yourself to injury andf then your whole cycle is fucked SO please take my advice on this!

Anyway, enjoy your first tren run my friend as you should make phenomenal gains on it. Next time stick to tren ace though

[Capebuffalo]

The point of tren is to feel like a God with asthma

[Old Duffer]

The point of tren is to feel like a God with asthma

Damn like button only works once!

[Test Monsterone]

I think that unless you are competing, why take Tren at all? I've only done 1 cycle and I'm self-administering TRT, so I'm no Houdini of steroids, but I know that I don't want to just take things for the hell of it or to look a little bit more jacked. Kind of the same as adding an aftermarket turbo to an already fast car - it'll just void the warranty and decrease the lifespan of the vehicle.

[morton30]

thanks for all your replys people its been a big help i was chatting to somone at the gym today and he said he thinks it could be the arimadex has crashed my e2 and that i should not be using arimidex with tren or that low dose of test especially when i am taking Mucuna Pruriens could he be right here?

This is why it's recommended to run tren ace on your first run cause the side effects can be brutal for some. I always get the insomnia and increased irritability after about 4-5 days and fades about 2 weeks in, but this has gotten much better which each time I've run it. I also do a lot less these days and keep my runs very short...

IMO it's better to run tren ace at about 50mg eod for about 6 weeks MAX! Then come off and rotate another compound in like winny or mast (unless you're competing then it's a diff game). Not only will this approach minimize side effects but it will also allow your body to remain receptive to the drug for future runs.

The prob with tren e is now you have to wait a good two weeks for these sides to wear off and that's if you stopped dosing it....If you continue dosing (which is what I would do personally, but then again I've never felt as shitty as you're describing) then you have to find ways to mitigate the sides.

For one, take something to help you sleep...You can go the natural route with gaba, melatonin, and sleepy time tea (helps but if you're like me that shit won't touch you lol but for many people they will suffice) or the pharm route with an ambien or maybe a quarter of a xanax or clodopin (do NOT take benzos in doses above the bare minimum that you need to feel relief and only use for short periods of time) they're very physically addictive and I've had friends over the years develop probs with them and they're extremely difficult to get off BUT they also work extremely well SO they're a great tool for responsible people who aren't seeking to escape their probs cause then the chance of addiction is fairly high I'd imagine.

So those are some things you can use to help you sleep, and fixing the sleep issue alone will make you feel 100 times better! Another thing you'll want to address is the increase in prolactin that you're likely experiencing atm. My personal solution to prolactin was adding proviron to my regimen as I wanted to stay away from DA's if possible. Luckily the proviron was enough to blunt prolactin and the sexual sides I was experiencing subsided within a few days which I was impressed by cause proviron has a rep for being a useless and weak drug, but for the purpose it worked quite well.

Once you get a good nights sleep and get your energy back you're gonna be able to go beast mode in the gym and watch the magic happen as your nutrient partitioning becomes flawless and every last ounce of glycogen is jammed into your muscles! Your androgen receptors are saturated at this point so you'll notice your delts start capping and traps fill out almost over night lol. Also, be careful not to injure yourself because you're going to get very fucking strong so be sure to spend a solid 15 mins warming up and don't increase the weight too fast (a good tip here from my exp is going up in weight with ONE rep sets to let your connective tissue and joints "feel" the weight and you'll be able to tell by how your elbows and shoulders feel during the movement if that weight is too much..

For example - Let's say your max bench is 225...Once the tren is peaked in your system you should be able to lift 275 and your joints/ct should be able to handle that weight..Now fast forward another two weeks or so, and assuming you're eating enough food then you'll likely be able to hit 315, BUT it doesn't mean you should lol! Your joints/ct probably haven't caught up yet and you may open yourself to injury andf then your whole cycle is fucked SO please take my advice on this!

Anyway, enjoy your first tren run my friend as you should make phenomenal gains on it. Next time stick to tren ace though

Thanks alphamindz for your input i done a concoction of herbal sleeping capsules last night melatonin valerian root gaba htp 5 and it never touched me i was still up to 5 in the morning might have to find somthing harder. i was also close to getting some proviron last night but its a derivative of DHT my dad lost his hair when he was 20 im now 30 and still have a full head of hair and dont want to push it too much i know tren is supposed to be hard on the hair but im looseing nothing on it so dont want to push my luck too much

[Windex]

thanks for all your replys people its been a big help i was chatting to somone at the gym today and he said he thinks it could be the arimadex has crashed my e2 and that i should not be using arimidex with tren or that low dose of test especially when i am taking Mucuna Pruriens could he be right here?



Thanks alphamindz for your input i done a concoction of herbal sleeping capsules last night melatonin valerian root gaba htp 5 and it never touched me i was still up to 5 in the morning might have to find somthing harder. i was also close to getting some proviron last night but its a derivative of DHT my dad lost his hair when he was 20 im now 30 and still have a full head of hair and dont want to push it too much i know tren is supposed to be hard on the hair but im looseing nothing on it so dont want to push my luck too much

First thing to do is stop listening to gym people and educate yourself. Tren affects prolactin, not estrogen. And Mucuna Pruriens is basically junk like most herbal concoctions that promise to turn water into wine.

[The God Himself]

The point of tren is to feel like a God with asthma

Gonna create thousands of fake accounts to like this post

[Aerospace]

The thing is the internet kids worship tren these days. Tren is very very harsh, it's not for everyone. I hate the stuff, it's ok to put it aside. The golden era of Bodybuilding (Arnold, Olivia, Ferrigno, etc) came and went without Tren/finaplix hit the market. The bodies we all aspire to were created without trenbolone lol. Honestly, you see tons of people say they use Tren and don't even look that amazing.
There's many alternatives, depending on your goals. High dose EQ, Mast, Primo.. depends on your cycle goals.

Tren absolutely kills my appetite, so whats the point? On top of that is tren dick (i get it), insomnia, night sweats, anxiety, High Blood pressure, lethargy, aggression, etc.

[DeathDefier]

Tren can be rough but the gains are unsurpassed!

[AlphaMindz]

Tren can be rough but the gains are unsurpassed!

Which is the only reason we fuck with it after knowing all the down "sides" to it lol.

Tes+tren is great, yes, but test+primo+winny is pretty damn good too in terms of results but far better in terms of longevity