Hcg advise

**Vomarki** · 02-08-2019, 11:21 PM

Hello guys I'm 25 years old
In cycle test prop 100 mg eod 8 week
Tbol 40mg 6 week
Pct clomid and nolva
Hcg necessary?

**KennyJ** · 02-09-2019, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Vomarki

Hello guys I'm 25 years old
In cycle test prop 100 mg eod 8 week
Tbol 40mg 6 week
Pct clomid and nolva
Hcg necessary?

8 weeks isn't very long so you'll probably recover just fine but if you're planning on cycling on and off for a few years you should look into it. You probably don't want to lose the ability to function any time soon at only 25.

**Vomarki** · 02-09-2019, 01:21 AM

Thanks for advise )

**Vomarki** · 02-09-2019, 01:22 AM

Can you recommend me how to use hcg on this cycle ?

**Vomarki** · 02-09-2019, 01:45 AM

But I'm doing this cycle only twice a year

**KennyJ** · 02-09-2019, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Vomarki

But I'm doing this cycle only twice a year

Here you go

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

Instructions on dosages are in the last part of the article. Some advise not starting it from the first week. Read this and find some other threads on hcg and you will probably have enough info to make a comfortable decision. Also below is a reply from a friend of mine to another member about hcg.

Hcg from first pin to 3 days of start of pct. So if you are on test E or C, you'll take last shot of test 14 days before pct and stop test. But you still have exogenous test in you and are shut down.

During this 2 week washout period, you'll still be on HCG protocol until 2-3 days before pct.

Hcg does keep balls from shrinking bad and still keeps them functioned, but testosterone production is shut down from feed back loop

Hcg circumvents total shut down by mimicking LH and FSH pulsing keeping testicles motors running, so in pct you have one less hurdle to overcome.

Accreditation to Couch.

I see where you are using prop so your PCT meds will begin at a different time than if using test E or C but hopefully all this gets you on the right track

**ScotchGuard02** · 02-11-2019, 07:18 PM

HCG is not absolutely necessary in a cycle but it helps in HPTA recovery. 250iu twice a week injected subQ. Nothing really magical. Just need to be consistent.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-11-2019, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

HCG is not absolutely necessary in a cycle but it helps in HPTA recovery. 250iu twice a week injected subQ. Nothing really magical. Just need to be consistent.

Agree. Not necessary. Many pros and big guys out there never used hcg . ( Lee Priest, James Tiny West) Piana never used it on cycle.
Million things i could do to be better off, but they are not necessary to do pretty good either way.
I never used hcg and recovered ok way in my 40s. Not optimal but ok.

AI is often damned necessary though. Paying attention to your BP, hct and enzymes aswell.

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**austinite** · 02-12-2019, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin

Agree. Not necessary. Many pros and big guys out there never used hcg . ( Lee Priest, James Tiny West) Piana never used it on cycle.
Million things i could do to be better off, but they are not necessary to do pretty good either way.
I never used hcg and recovered ok way in my 40s. Not optimal but ok.

AI is often damned necessary though. Paying attention to your BP, hct and enzymes aswell.

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We really can't compare to pros. Well, unless OP wants to be pro. Pros take tremendous risks. And to say it's not needed is misleading a bit to be honest because it can be confused with not useful. It's like saying taking Tren without any test is OK because test is not necessary. Of course tren alone will do wonders, but why take risks when test is so readily available.

If recovery is important, then hCG is vital for the betterment of recovery. Lee Priest, James and Piana injected so much for so long, nothing really matters at that stage... so the comparison is negligible.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-12-2019, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

We really can't compare to pros. Well, unless OP wants to be pro. Pros take tremendous risks. And to say it's not needed is misleading a bit to be honest because it can be confused with not useful. It's like saying taking Tren without any test is OK because test is not necessary. Of course tren alone will do wonders, but why take risks when test is so readily available.

If recovery is important, then hCG is vital for the betterment of recovery. Lee Priest, James and Piana injected so much for so long, nothing really matters at that stage... so the comparison is negligible.

Ok guys. U should listen to this guy. I do and rest my case. Even if i think test with tren is more necessary than hcg . But who am i.

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**GearHeaded** · 02-12-2019, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin

Ok guys. U should listen to this guy. I do and rest my case. Even if i think test with tren is more necessary than hcg . But who am i.

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HCG can cause over stimulation and mimc things to a higher level then we would have naturally and over long term cause more problems then good.

but anything is possible. nothing is really necessary , its all a matter of choice and individual needs. for some guys Tren is very necessary (skinny fat little bitches) and for some guys HCG is necessary (shrunken balls little bitches). its all a matter of perspective my brothers

**austinite** · 02-12-2019, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

HCG can cause over stimulation and mimc things to a higher level then we would have naturally and over long term cause more problems then good.

but anything is possible. nothing is really necessary , its all a matter of choice and individual needs. for some guys Tren is very necessary (skinny fat little bitches) and for some guys HCG is necessary (shrunken balls little bitches). its all a matter of perspective my brothers

Sure, that's why you never blast. But over usage of anything can cause harm, including water and oxygen. That's why it's smart to use it sensibly. Less is more in many cases.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-12-2019, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Sure, that's why you never blast. But over usage of anything can cause harm, including water and oxygen. That's why it's smart to use it sensibly. Less is more in many cases.

Ok im highjacking but its rare this guy shows up.
Austinite: whats your take on cholestrol and arteriosclerosis as we speak?
And whats your take on testosteron/anabolic drugs and arteriosclerosis nowadays?
And yeah..should we worry about cholestrol?

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**Couchlockd** · 02-13-2019, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin

Ok im highjacking but its rare this guy shows up.
Austinite: whats your take on cholestrol and arteriosclerosis as we speak?
And whats your take on testosteron/anabolic drugs and arteriosclerosis nowadays?
And yeah..should we worry about cholestrol?

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Well I have high cholesterol now after a 20 week blast that ended in July and been on 175ng test per week

Prior to the doctors told me he couldn't write more perfect cholesterol.

My HDL dropped about 80 points, my ldl raised 56 points.

And I eat right. Haven't been doing cardio like I used to. So that could be a factor vtoo.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-13-2019, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Well I have high cholesterol now after a 20 week blast that ended in July and been on 175ng test per week

Prior to the doctors told me he couldn't write more perfect cholesterol.

My HDL dropped about 80 points, my ldl raised 56 points.

And I eat right. Haven't been doing cardio like I used to. So that could be a factor vtoo.

Dude..noone disagrees the effect roids have on cholestrol.
The important thing is..does bad cholestrol lead to arteriosclerosis.
And or do roids lead to arteriosclerosis.

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**Couchlockd** · 02-13-2019, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin

Dude..noone disagrees the effect roids have on cholestrol.
The important thing is..does bad cholestrol lead to arteriosclerosis.
And or do roids lead to arteriosclerosis.

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Hmm.
I google it, as I'm terrified of heart issues, and it seems to be a 65% say yes, high cholesterol through certain mechanisms does cause hardening of the arteries, and 35% say no it doesn't.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 02-13-2019, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Hmm.
I google it, as I'm terrified of heart issues, and it seems to be a 65% say yes, high cholesterol through certain mechanisms does cause hardening of the arteries, and 35% say no it doesn't.

Ur rigth...ive seen even higher rates for a connection. But the statinindustry interfers. Its multi billin dollars involved.
The top jap experts say the opposite. Those with high ldl live longer. So does the multi dr the denish uffe ravnskov.
Because all those with thickening also have "bad" cholestrol. Uffes answer to that. Yes, but the thickening is not caused by the ldl, but the stuf that also caused bad cholesteol. Som fucked up cholestrol without the smoke and high bp and other stuff, is ok.
Look.. rich piano had just normal thickening. And i guess he had bad cholestrol (severe).for decades.

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**Couchlockd** · 02-13-2019, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin

Ur rigth...ive seen even higher rates for a connection. But the statinindustry interfers. Its multi billin dollars involved.
The top jap experts say the opposite. Those with high ldl live longer. So does the multi dr the denish uffe ravnskov.
Because all those with thickening also have "bad" cholestrol. Uffes answer to that. Yes, but the thickening is not caused by the ldl, but the stuf that also caused bad cholesteol. Som fucked up cholestrol without the smoke and high bp and other stuff, is ok.
Look.. rich piano had just normal thickening. And i guess he had bad cholestrol (severe).for decades.

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I was reading that the majority of plaqye build up isn't necessarily the ldl, but when white blood cells attack the ldl send enzymes break it down, the sludge left over is a big portion of the "plaque"

Wonder if supressed of WBC would lessen build up in bad cholesterol sufferers.