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Thread: Is my gear underdosed?

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    Is my gear underdosed?

    I got labs at the end of week 5, prior to injection #10...on a thursday morning. Ive been on 500mg Test E per week. 2 shots @ 250 each, monday am and thursday pm....

    Total Testosterone 2379.7
    Free Testosterone 49.9
    E2 111.8


    thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    I got labs at the end of week 5, prior to injection #10...on a thursday morning. Ive been on 500mg Test E per week. 2 shots @ 250 each, monday am and thursday pm....

    Total Testosterone 2379.7
    Free Testosterone 49.9
    E2 111.8


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    It varies a lot, person to person, but I'd say no. Or maybe just a little. I've had numbers like that

    Also depends on when the samples were pulled in comparison to last pin
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    What's your pinning schedule? And as duffer said, when was blood drawn in relation to last pin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    What's your pinning schedule? And as duffer said, when was blood drawn in relation to last pin?
    250 Monday Am
    250 Monday PM

    Test E only
    No AI

    Blood drawn Thursday midday...prior to injection #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    250 Monday Am
    250 Monday PM

    Test E only
    No AI

    Blood drawn Thursday midday...prior to injection #10
    What was e2?

    Could be a big converter to estrogen. Some guys are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    What was e2?

    Could be a big converter to estrogen. Some guys are.
    I think he said 111.8 which seems high to me for only 500/w

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    What was e2?

    Could be a big converter to estrogen. Some guys are.
    Yep 118 like Kenny said...
    No real E2 sides. No gyno, minimal water bloat/retention
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    I got labs at the end of week 5, prior to injection #10...on a thursday morning. Ive been on 500mg Test E per week. 2 shots @ 250 each, monday am and thursday pm....

    Total Testosterone 2379.7
    Free Testosterone 49.9
    E2 111.8


    thoughts?
    Sounds about right for UGL test. Your estrogen is about 6 times what it should be so you may want to look into adding some Adex to your regimen. The recommended level for e2 is around 20 but there's a lot of debate about this...if you're not bloated or experiencing any gyno symptoms then the elevated estrogen can actually help you grow....just wanna make sure it's not TOO high cause too much e2 can be problematic.

    Your body is aromatizing a lot of the test into estrogen so by adding an AI you'll prevent most of that conversion. However, IF you decide to take something to lower aromatization to estrogen then make sure to take something to block 5 alpha reductase (paw palmetto, DIM, finasteride) as well as that enzyme will convert test to DHT which is also problematic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Sounds about right for UGL test. Your estrogen is about 6 times what it should be so you may want to look into adding some Adex to your regimen. The recommended level for e2 is around 20 but there's a lot of debate about this...if you're not bloated or experiencing any gyno symptoms then the elevated estrogen can actually help you grow....just wanna make sure it's not TOO high cause too much e2 can be problematic.

    Your body is aromatizing a lot of the test into estrogen so by adding an AI you'll prevent most of that conversion. However, IF you decide to take something to lower aromatization to estrogen then make sure to take something to block 5 alpha reductase (paw palmetto, DIM, finasteride) as well as that enzyme will convert test to DHT which is also problematic.
    Started aromasin this week on Monday.. 12.5 mg e2d

    I wanted to experiment and see how my body did with no AI, as this is my first cycle... didnt know I should take something to block 5 alpha reductase... will look into that... thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    250 Monday Am
    250 Monday PM

    Test E only
    No AI

    Blood drawn Thursday midday...prior to injection #10
    You mean Thursday PM?

    I was taking the same as you and my levels were 1900 the day of injection, before injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    You mean Thursday PM?

    I was taking the same as you and my levels were 1900 the day of injection, before injection.
    Haha right, Thursday PM is what I meant

    1900 @ how many weeks into your cycle?

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    For what its worth at 500mg a week my test was 4,397 five weeks in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    Haha right, Thursday PM is what I meant

    1900 @ how many weeks into your cycle?
    9 weeks. For me, I think the gear was way underdosed. This was supposedly pharma grade - then when I got some UGL, I actually started seeing results. On just 150 mg/week of the UGL my test was over 1600... and with 500 of the "pharma" it was 1900. Don't buy Alpha Pharma, from the well known steroid sites you and I know. It's garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    9 weeks. For me, I think the gear was way underdosed. This was supposedly pharma grade - then when I got some UGL, I actually started seeing results. On just 150 mg/week of the UGL my test was over 1600... and with 500 of the "pharma" it was 1900. Don't buy Alpha Pharma, from the well known steroid sites you and I know. It's garbage.
    That's so crazy... I'm on Alpha Pharma bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    That's so crazy... I'm on Alpha Pharma bro
    Wow, check your pm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thebricklayer View Post
    For what its worth at 500mg a week my test was 4,397 five weeks in.
    What brand were you on if you don't mind me asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    What brand were you on if you don't mind me asking?
    Dragon Pharma

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    250 Monday Am
    250 Monday PM

    Test E only
    No AI

    Blood drawn Thursday midday...prior to injection #10
    Midday ? What time exactly ?

    When it comes to blood work for hormones , I recommend getting bloods done early in the morning 8-9am
    As the day progresses testosterone is being used, so you want an accurate peak reading.

    As couch has stated as well , you may be sensitive to estrogen conversion which can effect the outcome .keep all these things in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    Midday ? What time exactly ?

    When it comes to blood work for hormones , I recommend getting bloods done early in the morning 8-9am
    As the day progresses testosterone is being used, so you want an accurate peak reading.

    As couch has stated as well , you may be sensitive to estrogen conversion which can effect the outcome .keep all these things in mind.

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    No. 500mg test I would assume peaks around 3500. So if you're getting a draw 3.5 days later it makes sense you're levels are down 33% imo. Maybe slightly low, but not low enough to be upset about imo
    Check out steroidcalc.com and plot it. The decay lines up

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    Guys when we're on exogenous test it doesn't matter what time of day we get tested since our bodies aren't pulsing its release.

    Now GH testing is a diff story.. the time of day we get our GH levels tested makes a diff since it has such a short half life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Guys when we're on exogenous test it doesn't matter what time of day we get tested since our bodies aren't pulsing its release.

    Now GH testing is a diff story.. the time of day we get our GH levels tested makes a diff since it has such a short half life.
    But it does matter time from last pin, especially on a e3.5d schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyV85 View Post
    Started aromasin this week on Monday.. 12.5 mg e2d

    I wanted to experiment and see how my body did with no AI, as this is my first cycle... didnt know I should take something to block 5 alpha reductase... will look into that... thanks
    Only if you start having issues with acne. When your body suppresses estrogen conversion it will consequently increase DHT levels which causes issues in a lot of guys but you may be fine. Just mentioning it so you're aware of it. Most people are fine taking something natural like saw palmetto or DIM...Finasteride is a more potent med and I'd only recommend someone get on that if they're concerned with hair loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Only if you start having issues with acne. When your body suppresses estrogen conversion it will consequently increase DHT levels which causes issues in a lot of guys but you may be fine. Just mentioning it so you're aware of it. Most people are fine taking something natural like saw palmetto or DIM...Finasteride is a more potent med and I'd only recommend someone get on that if they're concerned with hair loss.

    Got it.
    I have been breaking out mildly on my back and shoulders. A little on my chest more recently. I noticed this from very early on in my cycle. I should also add that I am concerned with hair loss since my hair has thinned recently over the last few years and looking at my uncles it appears that MPB runs in the family. Would you recommend I look into Finasteride in this case?
    Thanks for all your input, I'm pretty new at AAS so I'm trying to soak up as much knowledge as possible...
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