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T3 50pg, clen 160 micro gram.
Iv ran this before a few times was always very warm if not hot, just started another cycle, first 3 days very warm at night switched to summer duvet but today and yesterday quite cold, had to switch back to the winter duvet last night.
I'm certain it's the T3 and not the clen but if I'm this cold it can't be working.
Or you could just be getting sick
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Nope not feeling sick it's just body temperature, feeling warm now though it might be just fluctuations in hormones, I Googled it and a few people have experienced the same thing but no one knows why.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer
Considering you had the same problems April of last year should be a red flag that you either don't respond well to the compounds, need to significantly lower your dose, or both.
Side effects of drugs are also compounded when other factors are not in check. For example, Insulin is detrimental instead of beneficial with incorrect carbohydrates. Another would be alcohol on heavy oral steroids.
It may be that your body is simply lowering its metabolism after the initial burst of heat generation. You can't expect to.maintain a significantly raised metabolism 247. With clen I experience a large heat production at first then it settles down about 90 min after
I didn't have the same problem last year that was not been able to sleep from body heat, cycle before that I had to open the windows during winter just didn't think it was possible to be cold running T3 / Clen, can understand when you come of T3, I'm no where near as warm as previous cycles but never mind I'll see what the scales say at the end of the week.
Even on DNP your body has strong mechanisms to slow its oxygen consumption/energy expenditure down. Perhaps one of the drugs is bunk. IME clen works at extremely low doses, like 1mcg so if it isn't working something is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
It's been a week only lost 4 pounds when usually I could loose 6, no where near as hot as I used to be, second night I had to put on a summer duvet and even then really warm, was experiencing minor cramps and shakes but now I need the winter duvet again and no cramps shakes and I even ramped up the Clen to 200, It's not expired I checked, the T3 didn't come with a box but was told it's also in date.
Not sure what's wrong, Clen at 200mg no cramps no shakes, it's pharma grade, maybe they put expired Clen on a new box.
The clen most definitely is not up to par. 200mcg real clen would ruin your day to day the least. You'd be better off with ephedrine tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
I know well what 200 is like, the vendor I bought it from is saying it becomes less effective the more cycles you run, it's been over a year so I'm sure my receptors have been cleaned out, could try taking ketotifen tonight to see if it makes a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlesticks
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Originally Posted by edmundo22
So your solution to experiencing side effects was to increase your dose. Natural selection at its finest.
Your clen is underdosed like fiddle said.
6lbs lost in 7 days shouldn't be a goal because that's never going to be 6lbs or pure fat.
You lack the proper education and comprehension to be using thermogenics
He told you total BS man, for one T3 very very powerfully upregulates beta receptors so no matter how long you run clen your beta receptors will be fine. The clen is shit. Again you will feel WAY better taking ephedrine and in this case actually burn more fat because again, the clen is shit. Not sure why clen is even faked to begin with because of how piss cheap it would be to make but eh..Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
Clen is torture to use so you should thank him tbh.
No reason for hostility, try reading what I actually write before jumping on me, that's twice u have come at me with misinformation, I increased the dosage due to NOT experiencing side effects, maybe take a reading comprehension course before mouthing off about Darwinism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
The Clen is pharmaceutical grade, Iv used the same product a few times successfully, at 200 I would be shaking like Micheal J Fox but now nothing, it's possible they put expired Clen in a new box.
Would ephedrine be as effective as Clen?, I read it's not, can it be stacked with T3 or does it have to be stacked with caffeine / aspirin?, the Clen I have can't be bunk unless the manufacture made a bad batch but it's pharmaceutical grade so they would have quality tests, it's possible my receptors never cleaned themselves from the last cycle even though it was a year ago, I'll run ketotifen 2 mg for a week and see if that resolves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlesticks
I read you shouldn't take Clen for no more then 6 weeks as a tolerance develops, I didn't know this, last year I ran it for two months, the ECA stack didn't work either, Clen does something to ephedrine receptors, god damn it, is there anything that can be taken for tolerance build up?
"Ephedrine receptors" ..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
The clen strongly downregulates the beta adrenergic receptors mainly b2. T3 heavily upregulates adrenergic receptors. Ephedrine can't work on receptors that are downregulated. T3 and EC is a very good combo that will actually make you feel good and not horrible as clen tends to do.
Neither Clen or ECA will work for me, would a week on T3 alone be enough to upregulate the receptors?, I tried running ketotifen for a week made no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlesticks
If you want a heart attack, go right ahead and use 320mcg of Clen.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
Maybe you should focus more on diet and training to burn body fat instead of drugs that you don't understand.
Ya, what windex just said in the post above ^Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
A friend of mine did the exact same thing and thought we were "pussies" for advising him otherwise and guess what happened to him? He nearly died and killed a couple of his other friends with him... He was driving his friends to the bar when he suddenly started getting a heart attack... He's lucky those guys were with him and were even able to control the car and bring it to a stop before rushing him to the hospital.
I edited the post soon after, it wouldn't cause a heart attack if the Clen isn't working in the first place, some people do increase the dose due to tolerance, it would be very helpful if people could actually answer questions instead of giving shit, it would be the same as me telling you you should try building muscle without taking steroids, if you have no actual useful information then don't bother replying and if your such an expert you would be able to answer my question as to whether or not running T3 alone would upregulate the receptors allowing for the Clen or ECA to be effective again.
Being brutally honest is not giving shit, just a matter of how thick the skin in. You asked about doubling a clen dose at 160mcg which is beyond naive and ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by edmundo22
People can certainly build muscle without steroids, there is an entire division of that sport called Natural Bodybuilding.
Your entire issue stems from the fact your Clen is either severely underdosed or fake which is what fiddle tried telling you from the beginning. Partner with the lack of education it's why your in the situation you are in, not because you aren't slamming enough drugs together. If you don't want to believe the information infront of you that is your prerogative.
I've talked to hundreds of people who have used clen and I've never heard anyone ever not get SOME effect from it (assuming it was real). Clen is an EXTREMELY strong drug.
In my own experience if the drug is real it has noticable respiratory/mental effects within minutes of taking the liquid even at doses below 10mcg. No drug I've ever used has such noticable effects so quickly. That would mean your stuff is completely crap, not even a fraction real.
Logical thing here is to throw that "clen" out. Obviously it's not what it is supposed to be. Could literally be ANYTHING.
You should be happy it's not dosed correctly because clen at 160/320mcg would be as fun as being tied up above a spike pit.
Ephedrine is always a more enjoyable and realistic option. Screw clen. Clen does work very very well but has too many cons.
Clen is an harsh compound but it could be manageable if properly administered. For what i know, to keeping a max security profile it shouldn't be dosed higher than 0,8/1 mcg/Kg. Clen is powerful and combined with a T3 also and a good hypocaloric diet, it's enough a moderate dose to enhance fat burning. If used in this way and following a protocol in short time frame, the benefits/risks ratio it's farily reliable. About cold feeling, keep in mind that T3/Clen administering boost your metabolism a lot... and if there's no nothing ( or too much little ) to burn, what do you expect to produce heat ? Cold feelings, IMHO, could be the result of an excessive caloric deficit and/or too much low proteins intake. Try to lower your Clen dosage and review your diet.
yeah in general when you aren't eating alot of calories your metabolism is gonna slow to a halt regardless of all other factors, even on DNP this happens. Theres a physiological component that limits your oxygen consumption / energy expenditure / bodyheat production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slacker78
Neither Clen or ECA is working for me, last year I ran Clen too long and must have developed a tolerance, your not meant to run it longer then six weeks because of this, it's the same pharmaceutical Clen Iv used before, you said Clen down regulates the adrenergic receptors, I'd assume ECA works on the same receptors which is why that's not working either, you said T3 would upregulate the receptors so would running T3 solo be the fix I'm looking for?Quote:
Originally Posted by fiddlesticks