Pct or trt?

**JohnnyV85** · 02-27-2019, 11:56 AM

Not sure what to do here. Im 4 weeks away from completing my cycle of test only.
My experience has been pretty awesome so far and the thought of coming off for PCT and waiting months to cycle back on again is kind of a bummer... I like the idea of cruising on TRT for several reasons but I have a few concerns. Going on TRT means I would be shut down indefinitely and if I ever wanna go natty for any reason how difficult would recovery be? Does going on TRT mean pretty much being on that permanently?
My other question is how long would I have to cruise for before doing another cycle?
Thanks for any input!

**Windex** · 02-27-2019, 12:17 PM

TRT is a lifelong commitment - you become married to the needle for the rest of your life,.

The longer you are on the harder it will be to recover. Eventually there's a point of no return where you won't bounce back - completely variable by each individual.

Blasting/Cruising is best guided by tracking performance, general health, and bloodwork, rather than an arbitrary number of weeks.

Few additional points to consider;

1) Is TRT financially feasible for you long term?It's not just Testosterone vials but HCG , injection supplies, possibly DHEA, bloodwork, etc.

2) Scripted vs UGL - each has pros/cons.

**JohnnyV85** · 02-27-2019, 01:58 PM

Is it realistic/effective to plan to blast/cruise for a year and then pct and keep gains natty for a year before doing another blast/cruise for a year? Essentially cycles would be year long blast/cruises instead of 12-15 week cycles.

I read someone mention that PCT is a waste and its better to get to a point where one is satisfied and then try to keep those gains natty.

**jackfrost88** · 02-27-2019, 02:23 PM

Sounds like your not ready for TRT. You are liking your cycle and just don't want it to end but haven't thought through the consequences. And going on for 1 year and then PCT'ing is not cycling and the chances of recovery are much less.

**Windex** · 02-27-2019, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyV85

Is it realistic/effective to plan to blast/cruise for a year and then pct and keep gains natty for a year before doing another blast/cruise for a year? Essentially cycles would be year long blast/cruises instead of 12-15 week cycles.

I read someone mention that PCT is a waste and its better to get to a point where one is satisfied and then try to keep those gains natty.

You would be playing russian roulette with your endocrine system with that approach.

It really is going to depend on your end goals and where you see yourself in 5 10 20 years. Everyone eventually ends up on TRT either self induced from cycling or declining hormones from old age.

It's a huge quality of life improvement, no question about it, just comes with a very steep commitment.

For me, I would need more than 4 weeks to make a decision that would affect the next 40+ years of my life, but I'm slow

**JohnnyV85** · 02-27-2019, 03:12 PM

Fuck. You guys are right.

.....so what's the recommended time off after pct before I can jump back on? Since I'm gonna play this the safe way, what would you guys advise?

**< <Samson> >** · 02-27-2019, 04:04 PM

Idgaf - I’m not coming off until health permits

To each is own, I’m in it for the long haul the best I can b - I now only run low doses, donate blood regularly, get regular blood work & take a shit ton of supporting supplements

**jackfrost88** · 02-27-2019, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Idgaf - I’m not coming off until health permits

To each is own, I’m in it for the long haul the best I can b - I now only run low doses, donate blood regularly, get regular blood work & take a shit ton of supporting supplements

God bless you.

**< <Samson> >** · 02-27-2019, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by jackfrost88

God bless you.

I hope so

**JohnnyV85** · 02-28-2019, 09:50 AM

Alright so looks like Ill be doing PCT, but heres my other question. What if I just extend my cycle another 3 weeks to finish off my last vial. Any harm in extending the cycle to 15 weeks instead of 12? What else do people do with the left over test from a cycle? Dont wanna save it for the next one... I want to use a different brand next time and start fresh. Might as well finish it off right?

**< <Samson> >** · 02-28-2019, 09:55 AM

^ I love newb stuff - life was a tad simpler back then

It don’t matter bro - the more u r on, the less you’ll wanna come off - that’s all

I remember having my 3 vials ligned up - now, they drop like shells when I start a cycle - rn, I’m close to pushing 10cc’s a week < and that’s still nothing

**GearHeaded** · 02-28-2019, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyV85

Alright so looks like Ill be doing PCT, but heres my other question. What if I just extend my cycle another 3 weeks to finish off my last vial. Any harm in extending the cycle to 15 weeks instead of 12? What else do people do with the left over test from a cycle? Dont wanna save it for the next one... I want to use a different brand next time and start fresh. Might as well finish it off right?

you can still finish off the vial and still only run 12 weeks.. simply inject all that you have left in your vial in one sitting. if you have 3cc left at week 12, just inject it all then. yeah its that simple

**BOPJohnDoe** · 02-28-2019, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Windex

TRT is a lifelong commitment - you become married to the needle for the rest of your life,.

The longer you are on the harder it will be to recover. Eventually there's a point of no return where you won't bounce back - completely variable by each individual.

Blasting/Cruising is best guided by tracking performance, general health, and bloodwork, rather than an arbitrary number of weeks.

Few additional points to consider;

1) Is TRT financially feasible for you long term?It's not just Testosterone vials but HCG , injection supplies, possibly DHEA, bloodwork, etc.

2) Scripted vs UGL - each has pros/cons.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to tell you.

This is good wisdom.

**GearHeaded** · 02-28-2019, 11:11 AM

theres a 3rd option here ,, its not just PCT after each cycle VS trt .
phase cycling throughout the year (with various times of low suppression and mild hpta restarts) and then doing just ONE actual PCT per year. so you run multiple cycles per year and only PCT once per year. this illicits far more keepable gains then PCT after each and every cycle that you do, while still maintaining hpta function

**JohnnyV85** · 02-28-2019, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

theres a 3rd option here ,, its not just PCT after each cycle VS trt .
phase cycling throughout the year (with various times of low suppression and mild hpta restarts) and then doing just ONE actual PCT per year. so you run multiple cycles per year and only PCT once per year. this illicits far more keepable gains then PCT after each and every cycle that you do, while still maintaining hpta function

GH I like the sound of that... can you please clarify?
So If in my next cycle I wanted to bulk and do test e/dbol /deca (just for example)... at what point would I start that?

**JohnnyV85** · 02-28-2019, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

^ I love newb stuff - life was a tad simpler back then

It don’t matter bro - the more u r on, the less you’ll wanna come off - that’s all

I remember having my 3 vials ligned up - now, they drop like shells when I start a cycle - rn, I’m close to pushing 10cc’s a week < and that’s still nothing

I never wanna leave SteroidVille... that seems to be a problem!! And Im only on my first cycle...

**Windex** · 02-28-2019, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyV85

I never wanna leave SteroidVille... that seems to be a problem!! And Im only on my first cycle...

You should do bloodwork 6-8 weeks after PCT and not worry about anything until then. for all you know you could be the minority that ends up on TRT after the first cycle. Oh the flip side, you could also be blessed with genes and recover perfectly.

It's counterproductive worrying about a new cycle before the current is even complete imo.

**JohnnyV85** · 02-28-2019, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

You should do bloodwork 6-8 weeks after PCT and not worry about anything until then. for all you know you could be the minority that ends up on TRT after the first cycle. Oh the flip side, you could also be blessed with genes and recover perfectly.

It's counterproductive worrying about a new cycle before the current is even complete imo.

Youre right again. thanks for solid advice

**< <Samson> >** · 02-28-2019, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyV85

I never wanna leave SteroidVille... that seems to be a problem!! And Im only on my first cycle...

Yeah,

Back about 9k posts earlier I was planning to do one cycle - it still isn’t over

Sorta, I came off twice - stayed off once

**Aerospace** · 03-02-2019, 11:42 PM

It's a big decision. Are you ok with the needle for the rest of your life?
IMO it's a clear win for me, PCT makes no sense to me honestly. Spend money to throw your body in the grinder and lose hard earned gains, wow great idea lol. I'm being sarcastic though, I realize the purpose of PCT but to me if you pin anabolics you need to sign up for TRT too.
PCT is a concept made up during the 90s with the internet and broscience. Back in the 70s, 80s PCT didn't exist.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-03-2019, 03:36 AM

It’s hard to think that you’ll b spiking yourself after 60

**JohnnyV85** · 04-29-2019, 06:55 AM

Cyp and Enanth or practically identical but based on my research it appears Cyp is used more for TRT than Enanth. Anybody know why or have any input on this?

**i_SLAM_cougars** · 04-30-2019, 04:53 AM

Cyp is a slightly longer Esther, but they both call for the same injection protocol

**Chrisp83TRT** · 04-30-2019, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by jackfrost88

Sounds like your not ready for TRT. You are liking your cycle and just don't want it to end but haven't thought through the consequences. And going on for 1 year and then PCT'ing is not cycling and the chances of recovery are much less.

Sounds like he wasn't ready for doing a cycle either in my opinion

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