Getting ready to SMASH through this plateau!

[Couchlockd]

project ad is pricey stuff. I've got a permanent discount code for 35% off so I can use it and save a bit when I need to . though as a Blackstone Labs retailer I primarily use their stuff, but project Ad has some specialty stuff I like.

that digestive enzyme looks pretty extensive and would probably do the trick

Blackstone... PeeeJaaay!

[GearHeaded]

Blackstone... PeeeJaaay!

yeah I used to sell Species nutrition stuff (as I personally liked the quality and thats what I'd use), but just way too pricey for my average gym member and not enough offerings . Blackstone however fits the bill pretty well with good prices, quality, and plenty to offer

[fiddlesticks]

there is still the law of thermodynamics that would apply here, especially being 'calorie' is a measurement of energy.

while this is true someone's metabolism/oxygen consumption can vary so much day to day based on food consumption its completely insane. Compare someone who has been eating 1000 cals for months to someone who is on 15k cals, DNP and doing heavy compound movements all day lol.

[fiddlesticks]

and as a very very general thing that I know has merit, it is EXTREMELY difficult to restrict calories and not have your body attempt to gain bodyfat and it practically isn't possible to retain lots \all of muscle once you are like 250+ for instance.

even a cocktail of insulin , superdrol igf and whatever else can't allow that.

[Windex]

Dude, it's honestly pretty far from perfect. Don't count cals and don't track macros. Just try to eat every 2-3 hours and eat lean meat with rice mostly (sometimes I add veggies but most days I'll make a shake with tons of kale, some fruit, egg whites, pb, oats, and stevia to get my greens and vitamins)..I also eat a lot of cream of rice, oats, pecans, lots of egg whites (I drink a cup at a time through out the day and 2 cups with about 70 grams of cream of rice post workout)... And I sprinkle in some fruit through out the week as well.. usually blueberries, raspberries, clementines, and/or strawberries.

The biggest hole in my game is the lack of precision over my diet...I've gotten this far by "freestyling" my diet but it may be time to dial that shit in if I wanna take it to the next level. A good coach that can kinda lay it all out for me and hold me accountable would help me a lot TBH...

If you need help with food shoot me a PM

[fiddlesticks]

I think it's fair to say just add 300 cals of pb to your meals and everyone here has overcomplicated the fuck out of this simple topic, we should all be ashamed lmfao.

[AlphaMindz]

Ok thanks for all the feedback guys I appreciate it.

Anybody else eating so close to their body's energy needs that they excrete very little matter?? I know this is a gross topic but we're all men here (at least on this thread, sorry ladies if you stumble upon this lol)..

[CA_DXB_85]

Ok thanks for all the feedback guys I appreciate it.

Anybody else eating so close to their body's energy needs that they excrete very little matter?? I know this is a gross topic but we're all men here (at least on this thread, sorry ladies if you stumble upon this lol)..

I faced this issue recently at the beginning of a leaning out phase and was eating a shit load of protein and not enough fiber... I don't know about your body using all the food (I was thinking the same lol) but I went to my doctor and he gave me some supplement with fiber and asked me to eat lots of string beans and celery and things like that and suddenly (even though I was still on almost the same diet) I started going to the toilet more (which was my normal before this happened).

[Capebuffalo]

I think it's fair to say just add 300 cals of pb to your meals and everyone here has overcomplicated the fuck out of this simple topic, we should all be ashamed lmfao.

I don’t see how anything here has been over complicated. IMHO.

[fiddlesticks]

I don’t see how anything here has been over complicated. IMHO.

At least for me with anything BB related the more I think about it the less of it I will do. We are all contemplating the most perfect scientific way to do something extremely simple lol.

[charger69]

At least for me with anything BB related the more I think about it the less of it I will do. We are all contemplating the most perfect scientific way to do something extremely simple lol.

That is what BB takes. Your body itself is complex. If there was a simple solution, everyone would be competing.


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[Obs]

I advise eating like ten people, training with everything you have, and shooting a bunch of drugs.

[Obs]

Ok thanks for all the feedback guys I appreciate it.

Anybody else eating so close to their body's energy needs that they excrete very little matter?? I know this is a gross topic but we're all men here (at least on this thread, sorry ladies if you stumble upon this lol)..

Hell no.
I eat like I should and I shit 5 times a day.

[AlphaMindz]

Hell no.
I eat like I should and I shit 5 times a day.

Yeah I think I'm not eating enough fiber.....

[GearHeaded]

Yeah I think I'm not eating enough fiber.....

your probably not eating enough carbs (too much healthy fats and protein).. and to be honest thats one reason you may be at this current weight plateu as well . you may want to run so much slin that if you don't eat 1000g of carbs per day you'll go hypo and die , just to motivate you to eat more carbs

I've learned over the years that carbs put on much more muscle then protein or fats do

[Obs]

your probably not eating enough carbs (too much healthy fats and protein).. and to be honest thats one reason you may be at this current weight plateu as well . you may want to run so much slin that if you don't eat 1000g of carbs per day you'll go hypo and die , just to motivate you to eat more carbs

I've learned over the years that carbs put on much more muscle then protein or fats do

I think this is the key mass monsters use.
It forces dedication.
Its also much easier to eat with blood glucose levels at 40 ng/dl
Even if full you will be starving at those levels

[AlphaMindz]

I faced this issue recently at the beginning of a leaning out phase and was eating a shit load of protein and not enough fiber... I don't know about your body using all the food (I was thinking the same lol) but I went to my doctor and he gave me some supplement with fiber and asked me to eat lots of string beans and celery and things like that and suddenly (even though I was still on almost the same diet) I started going to the toilet more (which was my normal before this happened).

Thanks for sharing bro that's good info. I'm going to order a good fiber supplement and I'll report back in case anyone else is currently experiencing this. Funny that you were thinking the same thing (wishful thinking maybe lol..?)

[AlphaMindz]

I think this is the key mass monsters use.
It forces dedication.
Its also much easier to eat with blood glucose levels at 40 ng/dl
Even if full you will be starving at those levels

I think you're right man. Once I got to this weight my body was just like "fuck you bro you're good right here" lol so I need to come over the top of my body so to speak and put it back in its place hehehe.. This test,tren ,dbol stack should allow me to push right through this plateau BUT I guess I could start with baby doses of slin to kinda get the feel for it and see how I feel on it...

I know it works I've seen your progress! I guess my only concern (which maybe I need to let go) is blowing out my waistline and losing my abs....and the whole idea of using insulin is kinda sketchy to me cause it's new to me. I also have preconceived notions about it BUT GH has squashed those and you have too by being a living example...so there's nothing to it but to do it lol.

*wanted to add - that's a good point about stimulating appetite as well when blood sugar gets low.

[AlphaMindz]

your probably not eating enough carbs (too much healthy fats and protein).. and to be honest thats one reason you may be at this current weight plateu as well . you may want to run so much slin that if you don't eat 1000g of carbs per day you'll go hypo and die , just to motivate you to eat more carbs

I've learned over the years that carbs put on much more muscle then protein or fats do

Lmao nothing like death being at the front door to motivate someone to get that next meal in! But yeah I prob do need more carbs, hell at this point the only thing I prob don't need more of is protein..

[Obs]

I think you're right man. Once I got to this weight my body was just like "fuck you bro you're good right here" lol so I need to come over the top of my body so to speak and put it back in its place hehehe.. This test,tren ,dbol stack should allow me to push right through this plateau BUT I guess I could start with baby doses of slin to kinda get the feel for it and see how I feel on it...

I know it works I've seen your progress! I guess my only concern (which maybe I need to let go) is blowing out my waistline and losing my abs....and the whole idea of using insulin is kinda sketchy to me cause it's new to me. I also have preconceived notions about it BUT GH has squashed those and you have too by being a living example...so there's nothing to it but to do it lol.

*wanted to add - that's a good point about stimulating appetite as well when blood sugar gets low.

Start with baby doses for one day.
Then move up to 10iu of novolog per injection.

You will put on 10 lbs of mass in about 8 weeks or less. Ultimate repair tool

[charger69]

Start with baby doses for one day.
Then move up to 10iu of novolog per injection.

You will put on 10 lbs of mass in about 8 weeks or less. Ultimate repair tool

Why did you tell me to start out at 30 iu and drastically increase from there?? LOL


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[Couchlockd]

Why did you tell me to start out at 30 iu and drastically increase from there?? LOL


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Don't you realize the smallest slin pin they make is 0.3ml or 30 units?

That's the minimum dose of insulin

[Couchlockd]

When we post after one another it's a Cascade of built bananas.

[Obs]

Need more

[AlphaMindz]

Why did you tell me to start out at 30 iu and drastically increase from there?? LOL


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Hey bro I didn't realize it was you lol got you confused with Obs, must be the avatars haha. But just wanted to ask, so you STARTED slin at 30iu's PER dose?? I've never used this drug so when it comes to slin I'm a complete and utter newbie. I'm also wondering if you're on growth hormone or not... That's the big issue for me, is taking insulin without growth hormone.

I mean I guess I can't REALLY judge it cause I've never done it, but I follow the industry fairly closely and listen to what a lot of well respected athletes talk about and a common theme I hear is if you take insulin without growth hormone you're just going to get fat. That the anabolic properties come from the COMBO of the two due to the IGF-1 release they create...

I've heard of guys carbing up for a show with insulin alone but that's also a bit different as what we're talking about is using insulin without growth hormone and in a NON depleted state for purely bulking purposes.... this seems to be frowned upon because apparently it's just fat that guys put on in terms of weight and they look fuller because glycogen is packed at max capacity...?

Is this incorrect in your opinion? Do you feel like you put on muscle when using insulin without growth hormone? Thanks for your input!

[GearHeaded]

I'm pretty sure charger was joking about that 30iu (as I'm the guy that help set Charger up with his first time insulin protocol).

regarding HGH needed with Insulin .. this is a huge bro science myth in the industry. actually its not even bro "science" as most the coaches and science guys in the industry are very clear on this that you do not need HGH with insulin and insulin can actually help with fat loss (yes lots of bikini girls out there running insulin, without HGH),, its mainly just gym bros that hold onto this myth.
I'm on a cut right now, using insulin and no HGH.. my wife uses insulin post workout (no HGH).. have about 15 or so clients using insulin as well and some do and some don't use HGH.

my philosophy.. you can use insulin without HGH , no problem.. however , you should not use high dosage HGH long term without insulin.
so its ass backwards. you don't need HGH to use slin, however if your using high dosages of HGH you should definitely be using slin or you could possibly end up diabetic (or pre diabetic)

[AlphaMindz]

I'm pretty sure charger was joking about that 30iu (as I'm the guy that help set Charger up with his first time insulin protocol).

regarding HGH needed with Insulin .. this is a huge bro science myth in the industry. actually its not even bro "science" as most the coaches and science guys in the industry are very clear on this that you do not need HGH with insulin and insulin can actually help with fat loss (yes lots of bikini girls out there running insulin, without HGH),, its mainly just gym bros that hold onto this myth.
I'm on a cut right now, using insulin and no HGH.. my wife uses insulin post workout (no HGH).. have about 15 or so clients using insulin as well and some do and some don't use HGH.

my philosophy.. you can use insulin without HGH , no problem.. however , you should not use high dosage HGH long term without insulin.
so its ass backwards. you don't need HGH to use slin, however if your using high dosages of HGH you should definitely be using slin or you could possibly end up diabetic (or pre diabetic)

Hmmm that's interesting bro and makes a lot of sense actually... thanks for weighing in on this!

[GearHeaded]

Hmmm that's interesting bro and makes a lot of sense actually... thanks for weighing in on this!

I will say though, running both HGH and Insulin together is super beneficial . the only reason its an issue is cost.

2 month supply of insulin = $23
2 month supply of hgh = $800

thats the main reason to run insulin without hgh

[AlphaMindz]

I will say though, running both HGH and Insulin together is super beneficial . the only reason its an issue is cost.

2 month supply of insulin = $23
2 month supply of hgh = $800

thats the main reason to run insulin without hgh

Exactamundo my friend. I feel like the chinese shit is a waste of money (i could be wrong) because of the way they store it and the amount they make at once leads to a whole lot of degraded gh coming out of china, so if I want the real shit it's gonna cost me some coin.

I suppose now that Palumbo has the gh testing kits i could try testing a batch and if it comes back as real then buy a bunch and keep refrigerated so it doesn't degrade. Only down side is it doesn't tell you how GOOD the gh is but only if it's real or not...so it could be 10% real gh and still come back as real on the test....but I'm guessing that the line will be darker and come in stronger if it's quality shit, but not sure about that...

Anyone have experience using Bill Lewellin's growth hormone testing kits?

** haha i forgot to mention my point. The reason I've held off is because of that ~$800 a month cost for pharm grade stuff. Maybe I can get insurance to cover it though but at my age it's unlikely as it needs to be medically necessary.

[GearHeaded]

** haha i forgot to mention my point. The reason I've held off is because of that ~$800 a month cost for pharm grade stuff. Maybe I can get insurance to cover it though but at my age it's unlikely as it needs to be medically necessary.

that 800 $ cost I mentioned comparing hgh to insulin WAS for the Chinese stuff, not the pharm grade stuff lol 800 is super cheap compared to what you'd pay for bodybuilding dosages of Serostim or other US pharma hgh.

of course if you run the Chinese stuff at low dosages the cost isn't all that bad.

[charger69]

I'm pretty sure charger was joking about that 30iu (as I'm the guy that help set Charger up with his first time insulin protocol).

regarding HGH needed with Insulin .. this is a huge bro science myth in the industry. actually its not even bro "science" as most the coaches and science guys in the industry are very clear on this that you do not need HGH with insulin and insulin can actually help with fat loss (yes lots of bikini girls out there running insulin, without HGH),, its mainly just gym bros that hold onto this myth.
I'm on a cut right now, using insulin and no HGH.. my wife uses insulin post workout (no HGH).. have about 15 or so clients using insulin as well and some do and some don't use HGH.

my philosophy.. you can use insulin without HGH , no problem.. however , you should not use high dosage HGH long term without insulin.
so its ass backwards. you don't need HGH to use slin, however if your using high dosages of HGH you should definitely be using slin or you could possibly end up diabetic (or pre diabetic)

Thank you!!! I was joking


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[charger69]

Hey bro I didn't realize it was you lol got you confused with Obs, must be the avatars haha. But just wanted to ask, so you STARTED slin at 30iu's PER dose?? I've never used this drug so when it comes to slin I'm a complete and utter newbie. I'm also wondering if you're on growth hormone or not... That's the big issue for me, is taking insulin without growth hormone.

I mean I guess I can't REALLY judge it cause I've never done it, but I follow the industry fairly closely and listen to what a lot of well respected athletes talk about and a common theme I hear is if you take insulin without growth hormone you're just going to get fat. That the anabolic properties come from the COMBO of the two due to the IGF-1 release they create...

I've heard of guys carbing up for a show with insulin alone but that's also a bit different as what we're talking about is using insulin without growth hormone and in a NON depleted state for purely bulking purposes.... this seems to be frowned upon because apparently it's just fat that guys put on in terms of weight and they look fuller because glycogen is packed at max capacity...?

Is this incorrect in your opinion? Do you feel like you put on muscle when using insulin without growth hormone? Thanks for your input!

Sorry Alpha- I was joking, but you made me realize that I do need to be careful.
Slin is nothing to take for granted. Obs is the devil on my shoulder whispering in my ear. LOL


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[AlphaMindz]

Sorry Alpha- I was joking, but you made me realize that I do need to be careful.
Slin is nothing to take for granted. Obs is the devil on my shoulder whispering in my ear. LOL


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haha no worries brotha thanks for clarifying!

[Couchlockd]

haha no worries brotha thanks for clarifying!

Remember, 30unit is the smallest slin pin they make, that HAS to mean 30iu is minimum dose.

[GearHeaded]

the biggest safety issue with the slin, is when guys are used to running HGH with a slin pin. and when they dose 3iu of HGH it generally pulled to the 30 mark. now some bonehead decides to fill up the slin pin with actual insulin and he thinks its the same as his HGH and 3iu of slin is the same volume as 3iu of the gh. so he pulls to the same 30 mark... ugh he's in for a rude awakening

[GearHeaded]

the biggest safety issue with the slin, is when guys are used to running HGH with a slin pin. and when they dose 3iu of HGH it generally pulled to the 30 mark. now some bonehead decides to fill up the slin pin with actual insulin and he thinks its the same as his HGH and 3iu of slin is the same volume as 3iu of the gh. so he pulls to the same 30 mark... ugh he's in for a rude awakening

that reminds me of the biggest insulin "scare" I had probably 5 or so years back.. I was running slin, peptides, and hgh. I was in the habit of taking everything out and setting on the counter top and just injecting one after the other.
one day I wasn't really paying attention (you know when things become so routine you don't bother to think) and injected everything at the doses I normally do. then about 30 mins later I started feeling really light headed and then swore I had mixed up my HGH bottle and the Insulin bottle, and I accidentally pulled 50iu of slin and injected that rather then 5iu of HGH.

so I started chugging juice and went for my blood glucose meter to test and see where I was at. I was so stressed out and pricking my finger over and over to try and get a reading but the damn thing wouldn't work (I was putting the strips in backwards). I ran out of strips. grabbed a thing of OJ and rushed to Walmart to buy more glucose strips, which I thought was a good idea because Walmart was right next to an urgent care center.

I got the new strips. was really feeling light headed and stressed out at this point. finally got a reading in the parking lot at the Walmart and my blood sugar was like 170 (which is super high). it was that high cause of all the juice I was chugging lol. come to find out I must not really of messed up the bottle of HGH and Insulin and really only injected my normal 10iu and not 50. so yeah I didn't die (I had way too much sugar though)

so to this day anytime I inject insulin I only inject insulin and pull the bottle of insulin out all by itself and never with anything else

[Obs]

that reminds me of the biggest insulin "scare" I had probably 5 or so years back.. I was running slin, peptides, and hgh. I was in the habit of taking everything out and setting on the counter top and just injecting one after the other.
one day I wasn't really paying attention (you know when things become so routine you don't bother to think) and injected everything at the doses I normally do. then about 30 mins later I started feeling really light headed and then swore I had mixed up my HGH bottle and the Insulin bottle, and I accidentally pulled 50iu of slin and injected that rather then 5iu of HGH.

so I started chugging juice and went for my blood glucose meter to test and see where I was at. I was so stressed out and pricking my finger over and over to try and get a reading but the damn thing wouldn't work (I was putting the strips in backwards). I ran out of strips. grabbed a thing of OJ and rushed to Walmart to buy more glucose strips, which I thought was a good idea because Walmart was right next to an urgent care center.

I got the new strips. was really feeling light headed and stressed out at this point. finally got a reading in the parking lot at the Walmart and my blood sugar was like 170 (which is super high). it was that high cause of all the juice I was chugging lol. come to find out I must not really of messed up the bottle of HGH and Insulin and really only injected my normal 10iu and not 50. so yeah I didn't die (I had way too much sugar though)

so to this day anytime I inject insulin I only inject insulin and pull the bottle of insulin out all by itself and never with anything else

Ive done 30 iu of novolog in good controlled conditions.
I think 40 iu of novo eould be hard to keep up with even chugging juice just because of metabolic rate of glucose conversion.

30 is manageable with juice and such but I get full and have to wait for hypo hunger to set in then I can gorge again.

Kinda funny how we are just so sure we cant handle another bite then bg gets below 40 and your brain tells your stomach it does not care about puny stomach capacity limitations.

[AlphaMindz]

that 800 $ cost I mentioned comparing hgh to insulin WAS for the Chinese stuff, not the pharm grade stuff lol 800 is super cheap compared to what you'd pay for bodybuilding dosages of Serostim or other US pharma hgh.

of course if you run the Chinese stuff at low dosages the cost isn't all that bad.

You must be talking about super high dosages then cause I shouldn't need more than 2 kits a month if it's quality and a kit of pharm grade is about $300 give or take....

The Chinese stuff is about half that cost (even less if bought in bulk of course) so you must be running more than a vial a day! Your pancreas must be loving you for supplementing with insulin lol!

[AlphaMindz]

that reminds me of the biggest insulin "scare" I had probably 5 or so years back.. I was running slin, peptides, and hgh. I was in the habit of taking everything out and setting on the counter top and just injecting one after the other.
one day I wasn't really paying attention (you know when things become so routine you don't bother to think) and injected everything at the doses I normally do. then about 30 mins later I started feeling really light headed and then swore I had mixed up my HGH bottle and the Insulin bottle, and I accidentally pulled 50iu of slin and injected that rather then 5iu of HGH.

so I started chugging juice and went for my blood glucose meter to test and see where I was at. I was so stressed out and pricking my finger over and over to try and get a reading but the damn thing wouldn't work (I was putting the strips in backwards). I ran out of strips. grabbed a thing of OJ and rushed to Walmart to buy more glucose strips, which I thought was a good idea because Walmart was right next to an urgent care center.

I got the new strips. was really feeling light headed and stressed out at this point. finally got a reading in the parking lot at the Walmart and my blood sugar was like 170 (which is super high). it was that high cause of all the juice I was chugging lol. come to find out I must not really of messed up the bottle of HGH and Insulin and really only injected my normal 10iu and not 50. so yeah I didn't die (I had way too much sugar though)

so to this day anytime I inject insulin I only inject insulin and pull the bottle of insulin out all by itself and never with anything else

That's a crazy story bro and goes to show how easily a deadly mistake can be made if we're not paying attention. Thanks for sharing and really glad a little sugar rush is the worst that happened!

[AlphaMindz]

Ive done 30 iu of novolog in good controlled conditions.
I think 40 iu of novo eould be hard to keep up with even chugging juice just because of metabolic rate of glucose conversion.

30 is manageable with juice and such but I get full and have to wait for hypo hunger to set in then I can gorge again.

Kinda funny how we are just so sure we cant handle another bite then bg gets below 40 and your brain tells your stomach it does not care about puny stomach capacity limitations.

Interesting about the hunger effect....That is def a pro on my pro/cons list for using slin lol.