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    Getting ready to SMASH through this plateau!

    Ok, so some of you already know my recent frustrations with this plateau I've been stuck at for a couple months now. Haven't been able to put on more weight and when I increased cals (dirty cals) my composition faded, abs got smoother, arms got a little bigger, but scale weight was the same..?? How the fuck is that even possible lol..?? It's beyond me at this point BUT after much deliberation and discussion with you guys and personal friends, as well as doing some more research to back my cause, I've decided on my next blast....and GH, you may be particularly proud of this cycle

    Let me preface this by mentioning that I've been running only trt (half test half EQ) for about 6 weeks or so now..I've actually lost a little bit of size but that's ok cause I know I'm priming myself for this upcoming blast.

    I'm thinking test e @ 500 to start and will increase to 750 at ~week 6 and go to a gram at ~week 10, tren a @ 50mg eod (after ~6 weeks bump to 75mg eod), and here's the magic bullet IMHO and something I've sidelined for far too long...*DBOL * at 30mg's ed broken up into 3 doses...(If I can get naposims I'll just pop the 5's throughout the day) and run that for the first 6 weeks and when the tren goes up I'll drop the dbol to 10 mg pre-wo and stay on it for the remainder of the blast.

    Here's my reasoning behind this cycle...First off, I've always responded really well to dianabol so I don't know why I've sidelined it for this long. Guess I got it in my head that it's all bullshit water weight gains and it's a useless drug lol...Well, that was close minded thinking for sure! In this cycle I'm using it as a tool to take adv of the added estrogen and some of that water is welcome at this point lol.

    Thanks to a good friend of this site, my boy GH, I've become aware of the role estrogen plays in building muscle. That's prob why dbol has always gotten me big af which is interesting because I am relatively sensitive to e2 and have had issues with gyno..This is part of the reason I've stayed away from it, but my strategy going into this cycle is to run nolva to block mam receptors and keep my AI low as to take adv of the estrogen combo WITH tren which in theory should put some serious mass on me (assuming I'm eating enough food of course).

    I'm pumped about this revelation cause I intuitively feel like this is a money combination for me. Another reason I think dbol has always put a lot of size on me is due to its ability to increase IGF-1 production in the liver. I'm thinking that with this combo I'll have tons of IGF-1 flowing between the tren, dbol, and extra estrogen present my body should be loaded with IGF-1 which will allow me to grow at a significant rate again (as I've stalled for months now).

    I'm meal prepping now so eating lots of chicken and rice, beef and rice, and lots of cream of rice, pecans, liquid egg whites, oatmeal...to name some of the shit I'm eating daily. I need help organizing my food intake but I'll bring that to the diet section. Need to figure out exactly how much I should be eating and macro breakdown that'll be optimal for my body..Been winging it up to this point but I know if I wanna take this to the next level I'll need to dial that in!

    I feel like if I keep driving the food I should put on some serious mass with this blast. I'm thinking I'll run this for 16 weeks and then drop back down to test and eq. Now, I know I've spoken out against staying on tren for more than 6 weeks....and not to go above 50mg eod as one can get the benefits from 50mg eod...and that's true...but I'm making a calculated decision by getting back on tren and in most cases I'll use a diff compound, but to achieve the specific goals I have in mind (sky rocketing my IGF-1 production) I need that specific drug! However, to all the young bucks and newbs, pls notice my dose is still quite low (I feel I can get all the benefit I need from it at 50mg, but I know my body and after a month I'll get used to it and I wanna keep growing through this entire cycle and not stall so gonna be bumping things up to keep the gains coming!

    So that's about it...If you read all of this I appreciate it, and if you have some feedback for me I'd appreciate that even more! Thanks for all your guys' support while your boy Alpha inches his way towards a body building stage. Need about 20 more pounds of muscle so I'm hoping to accomplish that this year and with everyone's support (both on and offline lol) I know it can happen, just gotta put the work in! ~Alpha
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    Dude, in the last year or so your avatar went from pretty ripped to Jesus Christ, he's jacked and ripped as fuck.

    Whatever you're doing is working stellar.
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    Seems like excessive effort into the chemical aspect. More calorie dense food and less chicken imo, you would be surprised how impossible gaining can be eating food that takes up lots of space w little cals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Dude, in the last year or so your avatar went from pretty ripped to Jesus Christ, he's jacked and ripped as fuck.

    Whatever you're doing is working stellar.
    I appreciate that lift up my dude means a lot!

    I haven't been doing anything special bro, just making sure my ass hits the gym consistently and of course the hardest part is getting enough food in to power the workouts and have enough cals left over to grow which is my main challenge atm because as I get bigger I gotta eat more and more food lol.

    In terms of gear, I also don't go crazy IMO but that's debatable I guess, but compared to cycles I see and hear people with similar goals doing, the gear I've been running is pretty modest.

    I've learned a very valuable lesson since I started this journey to compete and that's the fact that more gear doesn't mean more growth. I never go very high in dosages, but at one point last year I was on test at like 500, tren i think at 450 (was a mix of ace and enan), mast, and then I rotated deca in and dropped the mast and that's when I got that cystic acne on my back (not sure if you remember that) which kinda fucked me up lol but my man GH gave me some pointers and I ended up dropping all the drugs except for test for a while and my body normalized again.

    Since then I am very careful about what I stack lol. So I look at it as a blessing that the worst thing that happened was some bad acne, but I learned my lesson to be very methodical about how I stack drugs. Then again, sometimes we gotta try shit in order to know what to expect.

    I get my bloods done twice a year and they've been pretty good. Cholesterol is a little off of course but that's to be expected...Luckily heart disease doesn't run in my family but I keep an eye on that shit anyways just to err on the side of caution.

    Anyway, yeah man I'm hoping after this blast I'll have to zoom out to fit my body in the camera frame for my avatar like Ob's big ass lmao. Insulin is likely gonna be on the agenda at some point for me as well but I wanna have a coach supervising me and I'm also concerned about blowing out my waist line too much..but anyway, that's another convo altogether take it easy brotha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I appreciate that lift up my dude means a lot!

    I haven't been doing anything special bro, just making sure my ass hits the gym consistently and of course the hardest part is getting enough food in to power the workouts and have enough cals left over to grow which is my main challenge atm because as I get bigger I gotta eat more and more food lol.

    In terms of gear, I also don't go crazy IMO but that's debatable I guess, but compared to cycles I see and hear people with similar goals doing, the gear I've been running is pretty modest.

    I've learned a very valuable lesson since I started this journey to compete and that's the fact that more gear doesn't mean more growth. I never go very high in dosages, but at one point last year I was on test at like 500, tren i think at 450 (was a mix of ace and enan), mast, and then I rotated deca in and dropped the mast and that's when I got that cystic acne on my back (not sure if you remember that) which kinda fucked me up lol but my man GH gave me some pointers and I ended up dropping all the drugs except for test for a while and my body normalized again.

    Since then I am very careful about what I stack lol. So I look at it as a blessing that the worst thing that happened was some bad acne, but I learned my lesson to be very methodical about how I stack drugs. Then again, sometimes we gotta try shit in order to know what to expect.

    I get my bloods done twice a year and they've been pretty good. Cholesterol is a little off of course but that's to be expected...Luckily heart disease doesn't run in my family but I keep an eye on that shit anyways just to err on the side of caution.

    Anyway, yeah man I'm hoping after this blast I'll have to zoom out to fit my body in the camera frame for my avatar like Ob's big ass lmao. Insulin is likely gonna be on the agenda at some point for me as well but I wanna have a coach supervising me and I'm also concerned about blowing out my waist line too much..but anyway, that's another convo altogether take it easy brotha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Seems like excessive effort into the chemical aspect. More calorie dense food and less chicken imo, you would be surprised how impossible gaining can be eating food that takes up lots of space w little cals.
    I respect your opinion. What seems excessive about a test, tren and dbol stack at my level of bodybuilding and experience? I'm not being a dick I'm honestly asking what aspect seems excessive to you...

    About the food there's plenty of olive oil on that chix and rice/ beef and rice to increase the cals.. I add pecans to my cream of rice as well as various other meals as they're high in healthy fats and cals...What else is there!? I'm totally open to suggestions brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Pm me, I can help you with slin
    Thanks bro we'll get into it when I'm ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I respect your opinion. What seems excessive about a test, tren and dbol stack at my level of bodybuilding and experience? I'm not being a dick I'm honestly asking what aspect seems excessive to you...

    About the food there's plenty of olive oil on that chix and rice/ beef and rice to increase the cals.. I add pecans to my cream of rice as well as various other meals as they're high in healthy fats and cals...What else is there!? I'm totally open to suggestions brotha.
    You ever use Macadamia oil ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I respect your opinion. What seems excessive about a test, tren and dbol stack at my level of bodybuilding and experience? I'm not being a dick I'm honestly asking what aspect seems excessive to you...

    About the food there's plenty of olive oil on that chix and rice/ beef and rice to increase the cals.. I add pecans to my cream of rice as well as various other meals as they're high in healthy fats and cals...What else is there!? I'm totally open to suggestions brotha.
    well, from what I have personally observed gaining size really is simple as adding easy calories like peanut butter to a meal. Food is the variable we have the most control over when you think about it. Some people can easily down 5k+ extra calories from peanut butter alone and I've seen the ridiculous difference in results it makes. It is practically physiologically impossible to gain past a certain point without incorporating the very calorically dense foods. People are WAAAAAAAY too worried about protein compared to overall cals.

    I don't think the drugs are extreme by any means, those 3 have negligible "toxicity" if any but.. If you obsess about the excess calories more it will be better lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    well, from what I have personally observed gaining size really is simple as adding easy calories like peanut butter to a meal. Food is the variable we have the most control over when you think about it. Some people can easily down 5k+ extra calories from peanut butter alone and I've seen the ridiculous difference in results it makes. It is practically physiologically impossible to gain past a certain point without incorporating the very calorically dense foods. People are WAAAAAAAY too worried about protein compared to overall cals.

    I don't think the drugs are extreme by any means, those 3 have negligible "toxicity" if any but.. If you obsess about the excess calories more it will be better lol.
    Oh ok I see what you're saying. Thanks for the suggestion bro I love adding peanut butter to my oatmeal and pecans to my cream of rice. Peanut butter really isn't that good for you (the fresh pressed kind is ok but still contains a lot of copper) so I prefer to eat pecans as they're also calorically dense and very healthy.

    I have to challenge you a bit but that's what we're here for so pls don't take it personally.

    I wouldn't say food is the variable we have the most control over, although we can control it quite a bit...but I'd say training and rest are easier to control cause I love to train and I love to rest lol, and I love to eat as well BUT only to a certain point and after that I'm force feeding which can become extremely tedious for me. Meanwhile I have my buddy who can eat non stop all day but he's an endomorph so it's funny how almost always we want what we dont have. He's bigger and wants to be leaner, and I'm leaner and want to be bigger lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    You ever use Macadamia oil ?
    I haven't man but I hear Palumbo talk about it a lot so I do plan on tying it out as I hear it's great. I currently use a lot of grape seed oil to cook since it has a high smoking point and olive oil if I'm just pouring it raw onto my rice or veggies, etc.

    Thanks for mentioning it man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I haven't man but I hear Palumbo talk about it a lot so I do plan on tying it out as I hear it's great. I currently use a lot of grape seed oil to cook since it has a high smoking point and olive oil if I'm just pouring it raw onto my rice or veggies, etc.

    Thanks for mentioning it man.
    If you cook with olive oil / coconut oil / butter on the lowest possible setting it will take longer to cook the food. That gives you and your gf more time eat before you eat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    If you cook with olive oil / coconut oil / butter on the lowest possible setting it will take longer to cook the food. That gives you and your gf more time eat before you eat
    Hahaha I like the way you think brotha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I haven't man but I hear Palumbo talk about it a lot so I do plan on tying it out as I hear it's great. I currently use a lot of grape seed oil to cook since it has a high smoking point and olive oil if I'm just pouring it raw onto my rice or veggies, etc.

    Thanks for mentioning it man.
    Just pour a table spoon over whatever you are eating. 120 extra Cals right there.
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    I have a buddy that eats a jar of natty peanut butter a day plus his 6-7 meals. I can’t even imagine being able to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    I have a buddy that eats a jar of natty peanut butter a day plus his 6-7 meals. I can’t even imagine being able to do that.
    I luv peanut butter... But it Don't love me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    I have a buddy that eats a jar of natty peanut butter a day plus his 6-7 meals. I can’t even imagine being able to do that.
    Honestly it's pretty god damn foolproof but yeah just add a jar of pb to your daily caloric intake and there is no fucking way you won't grow.

    It can be pretty fucking annoying as you said to overeat like that but wow the results speak for themselves. The things I've seen from severe overconsumption like that.. People would call me a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    I have a buddy that eats a jar of natty peanut butter a day plus his 6-7 meals. I can’t even imagine being able to do that.
    Dayum all that peanut butter can't be good for him man lol.

    I put plenty of peanut butter into my foods like oatmeal or on rice cakes, etc, but eating a whole jar seems excessive to me. It's actually not considered a healthy food as far as I know. Heavy metals like copper get into peanuts in the ground and also a lot of it is processed so it shouldn't be eaten in excess IMO.

    I try to get the fresh pressed kind or the "natural" one without soybean oil and other unhealthy fats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Honestly it's pretty god damn foolproof but yeah just add a jar of pb to your daily caloric intake and there is no fucking way you won't grow.

    It can be pretty fucking annoying as you said to overeat like that but wow the results speak for themselves. The things I've seen from severe overconsumption like that.. People would call me a troll.
    That's the same line of thinking as someone just drinking a weigh gainer lol and yeah you may put on weight but you're not gonna look good.

    Of course we have to sacrifice some leanness when trying to grow, but we shound't have to get fat to put on muscle.

    I'm trying to grow while staying relatively lean. If too many of your calories come from fat then you're not gonna look good bro.

    If I don't grow during this next blast....I said it here first...I will start eating an entire fucking jar of peanut butter every day and become a fat watery mess lmao!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Dayum all that peanut butter can't be good for him man lol.

    I put plenty of peanut butter into my foods like oatmeal or on rice cakes, etc, but eating a whole jar seems excessive to me. It's actually not considered a healthy food as far as I know. Heavy metals like copper get into peanuts in the ground and also a lot of it is processed so it shouldn't be eaten in excess IMO.

    I try to get the fresh pressed kind or the "natural" one without soybean oil and other unhealthy fats...
    I agree. But in 7 yrs he went from 170 lbs to 240. Won light heavyweight came back the next year and won heavyweight and overall at the biggest show in our state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
    I agree. But in 7 yrs he went from 170 lbs to 240. Won light heavyweight came back the next year and won heavyweight and overall at the biggest show in our state.
    well goddam lol

    Eating a jar of pb everyday the whole time lol??
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    well goddam lol

    Eating a jar of pb everyday the whole time lol??
    I don’t think so.i know the year between light heavy and heavy weight he did. But he poured macadamia nut oil on every meal.
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    Pb, well. That's my guilty pleasure

    I can't keep pb in the house anymore.

    I swear, no exaggerating, I've ate whole jars in 45 minute sittings.

    That's why I stopped smoking cannabis pretty much, it fucks my goals up.

    2 am, just one spoon full. Ok 3, 3 spoons full.

    Then I pass back out, wake up in a night time eating syndrome coma powered by THC, and I eat shit I don't even know about till next day cuzz I'm half conscious.

    Jars of pb are the first casualties. Then cereal.

    Let me tell you, that kind of binge takes days to feel right after

    Nothing like shitting for 80% of your waking hours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Pb, well. That's my guilty pleasure

    I can't keep pb in the house anymore.

    I swear, no exaggerating, I've ate whole jars in 45 minute sittings.

    That's why I stopped smoking cannabis pretty much, it fucks my goals up.

    2 am, just one spoon full. Ok 3, 3 spoons full.

    Then I pass back out, wake up in a night time eating syndrome coma powered by THC, and I eat shit I don't even know about till next day cuzz I'm half conscious.

    Jars of pb are the first casualties. Then cereal.

    Let me tell you, that kind of binge takes days to feel right after

    Nothing like shitting for 80% of your waking hours
    Gfs boss does that.
    He eats weird shit sometimes.
    Sleep eats raw hamburger and random shit that messes up his stomach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Gfs boss does that.
    He eats weird shit sometimes.
    Sleep eats raw hamburger and random shit that messes up his stomach.
    It's actually a disorder called NES.

    I've struggled with it for years

    No pot at night made it 90% better

    I actually have drove to gas stations in search of chex mix, concious enough to drive . Not concious enough to pay.

    I'd stood there once and woke up as the clerk kept saying HEY HEY you pay for that here.

    I looked down and like holy shit, thank God he stopped me.

    I had easily 15$ of hostess pies and 50 cent cakes in my hands

    I put it on counter left

    Literally felt like shit on the way home
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    It's actually a disorder called NES.

    I've struggled with it for years

    No pot at night made it 90% better

    I actually have drove to gas stations in search of chex mix, concious enough to drive . Not concious enough to pay.

    I'd stood there once and woke up as the clerk kept saying HEY HEY you pay for that here.

    I looked down and like holy shit, thank God he stopped me.

    I had easily 15$ of hostess pies and 50 cent cakes in my hands

    I put it on counter left

    Literally felt like shit on the way home
    Thatswhat causes her bosses deal.
    He drinks ltd and gets stoned.
    The goes to bed and wakes up the next day with half the nasty shit in his fridge missing.

    He weighed 350 or better but has gotten lean lately.
    Down to 240 or so. Which is honestly about right for his frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Thatswhat causes her bosses deal.
    He drinks ltd and gets stoned.
    The goes to bed and wakes up the next day with half the nasty shit in his fridge missing.

    He weighed 350 or better but has gotten lean lately.
    Down to 240 or so. Which is honestly about right for his frame.
    Yeah, it's were most of the weight I lost cane from.

    I have eaten ingredients before

    Like cake ingredients.

    Wtf it's funny to hear,
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    Whats the diet like Alpha?
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    I like the way your thinking here Alpha.. Test, Tren , Dbol , and allowing your estrogen levels to elevate will surely increase your IGF levels (Tren is known for increasing IGF, but most people don't realize its through the estrogen mechanism of action that it does this,, so adding in test and dbol with little to no AI usage should enhance this whole synergy). now Tren is very 'dry', but with the higher dosage of test and the Dbol in there you'll get some much needed water retention to help you grow (yes, water retention helps with growth).

    very simple and straight forward cycle that will help you put on some size. only thing I would add to the mix here is some insulin (or if you want a strong growth factor synergy with this cycle, insulin, hgh, and T4)
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    regarding diet.. I personally would not go the jar of PB a day route. your body can only assimilate so much nutrition per day and turnover protein at a fixed rate. so giving it more calories (especially fat) then it can use to build is not going to do anything other then burden your digestion and cause systemic inflammation, toxicity, and hinder recovery.
    and when your already in a good calorie surplus (say 800 cals above) any additional fats you take in are going to be stored as fat and this without any need for anabolic hormone release like insulin (fat simply gets stored as body fat in the body without any need for insulin or other hormones). you eat fat, it gets stored as fat. period. its really that simple and what your body does with excess dietary fat. where as with carbs and proteins your body has to at least jump through quite a few hoops, expend metabolic energy, release anabolic hormones, etc.. in order to store those macros as fat.


    I personally think the biggest bodybuilding GENETIC factor above everything else (from structure, to muscle bellies, waist size, metabolism, etc.) is DIGESTION. the guys who have the best ability to digest and assimilate all their nutrition the best will grow the best. but guys that do not have gifted digestion will end up with massive bodily inflammation, fatigue, stress, upset stomach, as well as a pre cursor to various other health factors.
    so you can't just force yourself to be genetically gifted with digestion and food assimilation. you either are or your not. but if you force this issue, you'll cause numerous health problems and not grow.
    so again, my advice is just to eat above maintenance at a pace your digestion can handle. adding in more calories then that will just cause negative problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Whats the diet like Alpha?
    Dude, it's honestly pretty far from perfect. Don't count cals and don't track macros. Just try to eat every 2-3 hours and eat lean meat with rice mostly (sometimes I add veggies but most days I'll make a shake with tons of kale, some fruit, egg whites, pb, oats, and stevia to get my greens and vitamins)..I also eat a lot of cream of rice, oats, pecans, lots of egg whites (I drink a cup at a time through out the day and 2 cups with about 70 grams of cream of rice post workout)... And I sprinkle in some fruit through out the week as well.. usually blueberries, raspberries, clementines, and/or strawberries.

    The biggest hole in my game is the lack of precision over my diet...I've gotten this far by "freestyling" my diet but it may be time to dial that shit in if I wanna take it to the next level. A good coach that can kinda lay it all out for me and hold me accountable would help me a lot TBH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I like the way your thinking here Alpha.. Test, Tren , Dbol , and allowing your estrogen levels to elevate will surely increase your IGF levels (Tren is known for increasing IGF, but most people don't realize its through the estrogen mechanism of action that it does this,, so adding in test and dbol with little to no AI usage should enhance this whole synergy). now Tren is very 'dry', but with the higher dosage of test and the Dbol in there you'll get some much needed water retention to help you grow (yes, water retention helps with growth).

    very simple and straight forward cycle that will help you put on some size. only thing I would add to the mix here is some insulin (or if you want a strong growth factor synergy with this cycle, insulin, hgh, and T4)
    Thanks bro I figured you'd appreciate the reasons for this stack and the strategy behind it. I def wanna start running growth and slin but business has been slow this year and I've been pulling back expenses because of this...I've been debating running slin without it but I figure for the time being I'm going to get so much IGF-1 from this steroid combo I can grow nicely without it UNTIL I have the funds to comfortably afford running growth cause once I start it I wanna be able to stay on for at least a few months to really capitalize on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    regarding diet.. I personally would not go the jar of PB a day route. your body can only assimilate so much nutrition per day and turnover protein at a fixed rate. so giving it more calories (especially fat) then it can use to build is not going to do anything other then burden your digestion and cause systemic inflammation, toxicity, and hinder recovery.
    and when your already in a good calorie surplus (say 800 cals above) any additional fats you take in are going to be stored as fat and this without any need for anabolic hormone release like insulin (fat simply gets stored as body fat in the body without any need for insulin or other hormones). you eat fat, it gets stored as fat. period. its really that simple and what your body does with excess dietary fat. where as with carbs and proteins your body has to at least jump through quite a few hoops, expend metabolic energy, release anabolic hormones, etc.. in order to store those macros as fat.


    I personally think the biggest bodybuilding GENETIC factor above everything else (from structure, to muscle bellies, waist size, metabolism, etc.) is DIGESTION. the guys who have the best ability to digest and assimilate all their nutrition the best will grow the best. but guys that do not have gifted digestion will end up with massive bodily inflammation, fatigue, stress, upset stomach, as well as a pre cursor to various other health factors.
    so you can't just force yourself to be genetically gifted with digestion and food assimilation. you either are or your not. but if you force this issue, you'll cause numerous health problems and not grow.
    so again, my advice is just to eat above maintenance at a pace your digestion can handle. adding in more calories then that will just cause negative problems
    This makes A LOT of sense to me man. Just cause one is shoving the food in doesn't mean their body is utilizing it. I should prob increase my fiber intake drastically as I've heard that will help my body slow down digestion of protein so my body can get more out of it, but I def hit my protein everyday by drinking egg whites with most meals (all but the 3-4 containing meat or chicken).

    This may sound gross but there are days where I excrete hardly any feces which would lead me to believe my body is using almost everything I put into it although it is a very strange phenomenon when you KNOW how much you've eaten and there isn't a whole lot of waste to show for it lol...You ever heard of this..???

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    GH, how do you feel about a good digestive enzyme product the covers carbs fats and protein with multiple enzymes for each?

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    I STRONGLY disagree excess fat calories instantly get stored as fat because the polar opposite happens from what I've seen. Calorie restriction usually leads to fat gain and muscle loss even on tons of helpers. Many times I have done over 10000 cals a day for weeks and noticed my physique would get harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    GH, how do you feel about a good digestive enzyme product the covers carbs fats and protein with multiple enzymes for each?
    I'm a fan of digestive support .. I recommend Ravenous by Project AD

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    I STRONGLY disagree excess fat calories instantly get stored as fat because the polar opposite happens from what I've seen. Calorie restriction usually leads to fat gain and muscle loss even on tons of helpers. Many times I have done over 10000 cals a day for weeks and noticed my physique would get harder.
    not even excess fat cals, but pretty much all fat calories get stored as fat .

    biologically , even if you were starving to death and about to die, and had not eaten food in weeks. IF you stumbled across a large meal that was all fat and you ate it, your body would still store a majority of it as body fat first before utilizing it as fuel.
    thats just how the body metabolizes fat . now of course you can get lean and burn body fat eating a high fat diet (lots of other factors to consider here), but the storage mechanism is still going to apply. your body stores fat then uses it for energy, where as carbs and proteins are more efficiently broken down and used as an actual energy source without being stored first .

    it may sound overly simple . but dietary fat becomes fat very easily in the body because dietary fat IS fat
    (and this is coming from a guy that used to be a keto advocate like 10 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I'm a fan of digestive support .. I recommend Ravenous by Project AD
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    Ravenous is a bit pricey for me for a sup like that.

    How's this one look. It's zygest 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Calorie restriction usually leads to fat gain
    there is still the law of thermodynamics that would apply here, especially being 'calorie' is a measurement of energy.

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    Ravenous is a bit pricey for me for a sup like that.

    How's this one look. It's zygest 13.
    project ad is pricey stuff. I've got a permanent discount code for 35% off so I can use it and save a bit when I need to . though as a Blackstone Labs retailer I primarily use their stuff, but project Ad has some specialty stuff I like.

    that digestive enzyme looks pretty extensive and would probably do the trick

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