Changing from cypionate to prop?

**simm** · 03-06-2019, 02:34 PM

I've been on testosterone cypionate for 4 weeks at 60mg 2x week. Feel much better in myself. More confident. Sex drive is very high. Body composition has already changed as people told me.
My question is. I would prefer to administer test proprionate EOD as I've read much less bloat than cypionate . I'm taking it for trt. But also long-term benefits of helping me train MMA more often as I age.
How do I change the protocol of cypionate to prop?

**Windex** · 03-06-2019, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by simm

I've been on testosterone cypionate for 4 weeks at 60mg 2x week. Feel much better in myself. More confident. Sex drive is very high. Body composition has already changed as people told me.
My question is. I would prefer to administer test proprionate EOD as I've read much less bloat than cypionate . I'm taking it for trt. But also long-term benefits of helping me train MMA more often as I age.
How do I change the protocol of cypionate to prop?

I personally find the whole water retention from ester is exaggerated. Even playing devils advocate and saying it does cause bloat, 120mg is a therapeutic dose, not a cycle dose so on paper it would be marginal.

You could just do Cypionate every other day, or just switch to 35mg of Prop EOD.

Injectinf EOD for life sounds exhausting though.

**Ephemeral** · 03-06-2019, 02:48 PM

I don't see how prop could cause less bloat. Test is test. Source? Also, the half life of prop is 2 days and cyp is between 8-12 days so prop EOD would give u more hormonal fluctuation than E3D cyp.
Everyone uses cyp or enth, don't try to reinvent the wheel imo.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-06-2019, 02:51 PM

Test is test

Spike away

Only dif is frequency

**simm** · 03-06-2019, 03:23 PM

Yea I understand that. I have read contradictory works on prop compared to cyp ect. I will stay as I am I think. Thanks for the replies!
Loving the pumps when hitting pads. 120 is the sweet spot IMO.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-06-2019, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by simm

Yea I understand that. I have read contradictory works on prop compared to cyp ect. I will stay as I am I think. Thanks for the replies!
Loving the pumps when hitting pads. 120 is the sweet spot IMO.

120?!

That’s it?

I do double on my self prescribed ugl trt

**Octaneforce** · 03-06-2019, 05:58 PM

Stick with the cyp for your trt regimine. If you wanna dry out and have some extra strength you can run anavar for a few weeks. Thats always fun

**Ephemeral** · 03-06-2019, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

120?!

That’s it?

I do double on my self prescribed ugl trt

There's a lot of individual variation on that. For me even 90mg was too much, I was 25% above range, which is not necessarily a problem but I had some nasty acne and my HDL was a bit low so I lowered it to 80. I think going over 150 is rarely needed in order to sit at the top of the range, and anything above 200 is not TRT imo but permablasting.

**Couchlockd** · 03-06-2019, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ephemeral

There's a lot of individual variation on that. For me even 90mg was too much, I was 25% above range, which is not necessarily a problem but I had some nasty acne and my HDL was a bit low so I lowered it to 80. I think going over 150 is rarely needed in order to sit at the top of the range, and anything above 200 is not TRT imo but permablasting.

175mg per week puts me 16 points over top range of 916ng

**simm** · 03-07-2019, 01:14 AM

Feeling the pumps I'm getting from 120mg whilst running hills and hitting pads anything above that dose would be detrimental to my sport. I have read some people respond to 80mg and some 250mg. 150 and above is definitely not trt levels and not healthy long-term

**EDCG19** · 03-07-2019, 01:49 AM

I haven't used prop but i think it would get annoying pinning so often

**simm** · 03-07-2019, 03:04 AM

Yea it would be annoying. I already feel like a pin cushion at 2 shots per week. I just wanted a bit less water and thought prop was the way to go from what I've read.

**GearHeaded** · 03-07-2019, 09:50 AM

what do you consider water retention ?
has your blood pressure went up significantly in a short time, are your ankles swollen or your face puffy and swollen, has your belt size suddenly went up 2 notches.

its just hard to imagine 120mg of test per week causing real water retention. aren't you also on a keto or low carb diet as well ?

**simm** · 03-07-2019, 04:30 PM

Gearheaded.
Yes I'm on ketogenic diet but have none of the sides you mentioned. It could genuinely be in my head in regards to feeling bloated as I usually feel more bloated evening time and lean and tight upon waking. No waist increase in fact if anything tighter