T level checked help!

**GTtheGUY** · 03-18-2019, 02:25 PM

So I had bloodwork done. It was just an overall testosterone check. It came back at 1500. I'm 5 weeks into a test only cycle. I'm currently taking 600mg test E per week. Is this 1500 number normal.or reasonable for someone taking 600mg weekky? Thanks.

**Windex** · 03-18-2019, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

So I had bloodwork done. It was just an overall testosterone check. It came back at 1500. I'm 5 weeks into a test only cycle. I'm currently taking 600mg test E per week. Is this 1500 number normal.or reasonable for someone taking 600mg weekky? Thanks.

If it's 1500ng and the lab range is 2XX-9XXng then the result is low. How many days/hours after your injection was the bloodwork done?

Also we have a section specifically for lab results if you have more questions in the future. Including units + reference range makes it a lot easier to help.

**mac34** · 03-18-2019, 03:20 PM

When I did 200mg of cypionate a week, I had > 2500.

**GearHeaded** · 03-18-2019, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by mac34

When I did 200mg of cypionate a week, I had > 2500.

the gear you were running was likely way over dosed then.. on 200mg per week properly dosed most guys will range between 800-1200 ngdl.

OP. on the other hand it sounds like your gear is under dosed. 600mg per week should put you over 2000

**GTtheGUY** · 03-18-2019, 03:35 PM

OK so by the sounds of it my levels should be higher. I feel like they arent as high as they should be. Just by how I feel day to day that's what prompted me to test. I did 400mg of cypionate last time around and felt better, better results. I did my bloodwork around 24.houra after my last injection. And I'd been on cycle about 4.5 weeks. And yes the range is 240 to 800 normal
The gear is pharmacom, I wouldnt expect lower levels like this from their gear. My buddy didnt have great results either,same gear. Hmmm. What to do now?

**GearHeaded** · 03-18-2019, 03:42 PM

I'd bump up the test your running now to 1000mg per week.. your blood levels of test are just barely above cruising dosages. you want to be in supraphysiolgical range if your running a test only cycle. IF you were running other compounds with the test, then it wouldn't be an issue. but for a true test only cycle you need elevated levels .

**GTtheGUY** · 03-18-2019, 03:47 PM

OK that's what I'll do. I was running TBOL with the test for the first 2.5 weeks but it didnt agree with my system. So I stopped. So yeah it's just test. Anyone heard of pharmacom being under dosed? I didnt expect this. I'm headed to their site right now.

**almostgone** · 03-18-2019, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

So I had bloodwork done. It was just an overall testosterone check. It came back at 1500. I'm 5 weeks into a test only cycle. I'm currently taking 600mg test E per week. Is this 1500 number normal.or reasonable for someone taking 600mg weekky? Thanks.

Did you order the test that gives you the actual value? Some of the total T panels are capped @ 1500.

**almostgone** · 03-18-2019, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

Did you order the test that gives you the actual value? Some of the total T panels are capped @ 1500.

For instance below is the specification for one of LabCorps total T panels.

If your total testosterone is over 1,500 ng/dL, the results will be shown as >1,500 ng/dL NOT the actual number.

With your value landing on exactly 1500, it might be a possibility that you ordered that kind of panel?

**EDCG19** · 03-18-2019, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

the gear you were running was likely way over dosed then.. on 200mg per week properly dosed most guys will range between 800-1200 ngdl.

OP. on the other hand it sounds like your gear is under dosed. 600mg per week should put you over 2000

I'm on 150mg and its over 1000-1250

**EDCG19** · 03-18-2019, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

So I had bloodwork done. It was just an overall testosterone check. It came back at 1500. I'm 5 weeks into a test only cycle. I'm currently taking 600mg test E per week. Is this 1500 number normal.or reasonable for someone taking 600mg weekky? Thanks.

When was your last pin and when did you pull bloods?

**GTtheGUY** · 03-18-2019, 04:17 PM

Last pin was the day before I tested. Right about 24 hours. And I dont think I got a test capped at 1500. I'm going to check Into itt tough. My numbers are exacty.... 1500.10 nb/dl
Like I said. It feels under dosed. I've felt better and had better results on 400mgs before. I dont feel bad. Just dont feel like I should.

**EDCG19** · 03-18-2019, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

Last pin was the day before I tested. Right about 24 hours. And I dont think I got a test capped at 1500. I'm going to check Into itt tough. My numbers are exacty.... 1500.10 nb/dl
Like I said. It feels under dosed. I've felt better and had better results on 400mgs before. I dont feel bad. Just dont feel like I should.

Yea, based on that you could be right and its underdosed a little. Is it a common known UGL?
Send them a message and let them know based on blood work something isn't right

**GTtheGUY** · 03-18-2019, 04:43 PM

It's fucking pharmacom! That's why this is puzzling. I didnt expect this from their gear! I'm going to contact them.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-18-2019, 05:53 PM

pharmacom < Lol

just because the packaging is so good, we think of it as HG

with 600 Per week anything under 2k-2500 Would get me pissed

check em, they'll give u more shit - douche bags

**Windex** · 03-18-2019, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

Last pin was the day before I tested. Right about 24 hours. And I dont think I got a test capped at 1500. I'm going to check Into itt tough. My numbers are exacty.... 1500.10 nb/dl
Like I said. It feels under dosed. I've felt better and had better results on 400mgs before. I dont feel bad. Just dont feel like I should.

You need to check if the lab you used for bloodwork has value caps. Like AG said, if the lab is capped at 1500ng then that would be why you have exactly 1500.1ng as your score and it wont show a higher amount even if you used 2000mg of Test

**Couchlockd** · 03-19-2019, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

pharmacom < Lol

just because the packaging is so good, we think of it as HG

with 600 Per week anything under 2k-2500 Would get me pissed

check em, they'll give u more shit - douche bags

Samson, I'm curious as why pcom is laughable?

Have you used them?

I have, I can tell you this. I pull bloods on all new labs.

Pcom isn't what they are for pump and dump bullshit. They don't selective scam

On 350mg test E per week, I was @ just a touch over 2000ng

**< <Samson> >** · 03-19-2019, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Samson, I'm curious as why pcom is laughable?

Have you used them?

I have, I can tell you this. I pull bloods on all new labs.

Pcom isn't what they are for pump and dump bullshit. They don't selective scam

Yes, I have - looks like well packaged UGL shit

So do I - mostly

They aren’t? Then call the FDA - It’s a UGL somewhere around RU - they don’t give a fuck, they make it look real good & shoot it out the door

Let me get this straight, we have 10k ampules die by the end of the day - we have enough raw for 6k - hmmm, what would I do here

Like I said - bitch, get some more crap out of em

**Test Monsterone** · 03-19-2019, 09:03 AM

If it's 1500.1, like other said, it looks a lot like you got the capped test done. It would be quite a coincidence if that was your actual total testosterone level. I haven't heard anything bad about Pharmacom but haven't tried them myself.

Maybe you just don't feel it yet? I had over 1900 on 450mg/week, and even my shit was underdosed. Also Alpha "Pharma." Honestly I thought I was injecting nothing at one point.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-19-2019, 11:02 AM

Post a the number and range

**Couchlockd** · 03-19-2019, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Yes, I have - looks like well packaged UGL shit

So do I - mostly

They aren’t? Then call the FDA - It’s a UGL somewhere around RU - they don’t give a fuck, they make it look real good & shoot it out the door

Let me get this straight, we have 10k ampules die by the end of the day - we have enough raw for 6k - hmmm, what would I do here

Like I said - bitch, get some more crap out of em

What?

It's real funny that there are no good sources other than the one you use.

Alot of guys are like this, "nope,no one can get legit gear but me"

You realize your making my point for me, correct?

**Obs** · 03-19-2019, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by GTtheGUY

So I had bloodwork done. It was just an overall testosterone check. It came back at 1500. I'm 5 weeks into a test only cycle. I'm currently taking 600mg test E per week. Is this 1500 number normal.or reasonable for someone taking 600mg weekky? Thanks.

Post the labs

**Obs** · 03-19-2019, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

What?

It's real funny that there are no good sources other than the one you use.

Alot of guys are like this, "nope,no one can get legit gear but me"

You realize your making my point for me, correct? And you sound dumb as hell doing so.

Pcom is always overdosed.
I would suspect lab error before pcom.

Either way I dont suspect shit until I see labs from someone I know knows the game.
I only say this because most long timers I know use or used pcom and never had a complaint of their bloods. We are only talking about hundreds though.
Independant testing...
Mass spec on finished product...
Millions in equipment....
The fact that they sell more dollars in clothing with their logo than 90% of ugls sell gear...

Ahh fuck it.
Stay away from pcom.
Too many counterfeiters out there for some reason.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-19-2019, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

What?

It's real funny that there are no good sources other than the one you use.

Alot of guys are like this, "nope,no one can get legit gear but me"

You realize your making my point for me, correct?

No sense made

But, I have def been lucky so far - most underdosed test I have found was down about 25% on BW

I can brew my own just fine, but it’s a mess - 4 me at least