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    Crashed? Or Something Else?

    So got up this morning ready to pin and my vial of test was cloudy and off colored.
    Not clear basically. Is it just crashed or does it actually have something wrong with it?
    Ended up using a new vial for today but didn't want to throw out this one if I don't need to since I'm not even half way done with it.

    I have been drawing hcg before the test in the same syringe with the same needle.

    Thanks in advance guys
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    Can't speak to the gear as that has not happened to me, but you should be using a needle to draw, and a different needle to inject, as well as different syringes for water based products (HCG ) and oil based products (Gear).

    Cost is pennies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Can't speak to the gear as that has not happened to me, but you should be using a needle to draw, and a different needle to inject, as well as different syringes for water based products (HCG ) and oil based products (Gear).

    Cost is pennies.
    Not an argument just letting you know where my head was at for this method:

    I had read in the stickies that both could be combined into 1 injection. So that's why I went that route.

    As far as needles go I do use a separate one for injection.
    So 1 for drawing both Test and HCG
    Then 1 new needle for injection

    I also swab tops of everything with alcohol and cotton balls.
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    Do you see any crystals in the vial or clinging to the sides of it? If so, good indication it’s crashed. Try heating it up in some hot water and swirling to see if it restores. I’ve had plenty of test crash but only forming crystals not changing color. Wouldn’t think a trace amount of hcg would cause it to go off color like that

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    You technically can mix oil and water based compounds in the same syringe. It doesn't mean you won't get slight cross contamination in the vial when drawing though. Just a guess but if you're drawing HCG first maybe you've slightly contaminated the oil with water. Really shouldn't cause an issue. If the test was clear before it seems like the most likely cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thors_Hammer View Post
    Not an argument just letting you know where my head was at for this method:

    I had read in the stickies that both could be combined into 1 injection. So that's why I went that route.

    As far as needles go I do use a separate one for injection.
    So 1 for drawing both Test and HCG
    Then 1 new needle for injection

    I also swab tops of everything with alcohol and cotton balls.
    Cant link on mobile but if you google image search needle after each use there's a lot of good pictures. In my opinion, the needle dulls enough from a single draw to justify the 3 cents for a new needle.

    You can combine it's not just optimal. For me it's not worth saving a few pennies when it's substances being injected in your body. I don't put a price on my health.
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    Just warm it up in a water bath and see if it clears up. It could be very small crystals and crashing out. I had some NPP do that and once heated it was fine. That was after I railed on the source and he calmly suggested I warm it. Having a degree in chemistry and not thinking of that first was the real kicker. Give it a shot. No pun intended.

    And my .02 - agree with Windex on needles. Personally I notice a difference if not changing needles to draw/inject, which can lead to more scar tissue. It might seem minimal at first but add that up to a lifetime of injections on TRT. I have scar tissue already from pellets and injecting is no joke with that nonsense - bleeds like you wouldn’t believe, painful, crunches when the needle goes in, etc. So I use 27ga x 1 1/2 to inj, draw with 23 ga.

    Let us know what you determine on the gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thors_Hammer View Post
    Not an argument just letting you know where my head was at for this method:

    I had read in the stickies that both could be combined into 1 injection. So that's why I went that route.

    As far as needles go I do use a separate one for injection.
    So 1 for drawing both Test and HCG
    Then 1 new needle for injection

    I also swab tops of everything with alcohol and cotton balls.
    Nothing wrong with using the same barrel for your test and hcg. No need for the cotton balls, just use pre injection wipe on your stopper.

    I have seen this before, it could be moisture ?. Usually when it crashes it crystalises, not all the time though.
    Check, heat gently in a pan with water and see if it goes back.

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    If you read what he posted you would have read

    “As far as needles go I do use a separate one for injection”


    But yeah that’s why I use a separate needed for the hcg . I go eq-test/ change needle/ hcg / change needle and inject.

    Let’s hope it’s just that. If it was me I’d just buy another vial and bin that though...

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    It happens with pharma grade too.

    No idea why.
    You can heat it up and it will clear but most likely cloud back up.

    I accidentally let the water boil out of a pan a vial was sitting in and went and took a shit. This particular vial kept getting cloudy and crashing fully.

    When I remembered it it had been cooking at over 300F for i dont know how long.

    It didnt cloud up or crash again though.
    This is why I assume moisture but dont know for certain. It could be a partial crash I suppose.

    I think some of this just needs to be cooked in a little harder with compounds that are more prone such as boldenone acetate.

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    Hey every thanks for the replies. Sorry it's been a bit. I had a crazy week last week just with life being busy.
    I have decided to use the remaining test.
    I'll be heating it up on the next couple days and post whether that did anything or not.
    The more I think about it though the more I believe it's the HCG in the vial mixed with the test and it just got cloudy from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    It happens with pharma grade too.

    No idea why.
    You can heat it up and it will clear but most likely cloud back up.

    I accidentally let the water boil out of a pan a vial was sitting in and went and took a shit. This particular vial kept getting cloudy and crashing fully.

    When I remembered it it had been cooking at over 300F for i dont know how long.

    It didnt cloud up or crash again though.
    This is why I assume moisture but dont know for certain. It could be a partial crash I suppose.

    I think some of this just needs to be cooked in a little harder with compounds that are more prone such as boldenone acetate.

    In bold above. Absolutely correct. Usually the package insert or the sticker on the vial will tell you to warm if crystals are noticed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thors_Hammer View Post
    Hey every thanks for the replies. Sorry it's been a bit. I had a crazy week last week just with life being busy.
    I have decided to use the remaining test.
    I'll be heating it up on the next couple days and post whether that did anything or not.
    The more I think about it though the more I believe it's the HCG in the vial mixed with the test and it just got cloudy from it.
    If any water/HCG got introduced into the oil, that is a possibility.
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    Thors,
    What temp was it stored at? I had the same problem and it was because it was stored in a cabinet in our master bath that was at a temp of 64-65 degrees. Test should be stored between 68-78. I will say what ever it was in the test that turned to like fine hairs was not the test. I had labs done and my test was close to being off the chart at 1050 (upper range of lab 1100). I was still only pinning .35 or 70 mg E3D so it must have changed the potency. I am normally at 1050 when doing 200mg a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bethdoth View Post
    Thors,
    What temp was it stored at? I had the same problem and it was because it was stored in a cabinet in our master bath that was at a temp of 64-65 degrees. Test should be stored between 68-78. I will say what ever it was in the test that turned to like fine hairs was not the test. I had labs done and my test was close to being off the chart at 1050 (upper range of lab 1100). I was still only pinning .35 or 70 mg E3D so it must have changed the potency. I am normally at 1050 when doing 200mg a week.
    Interesting

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    If you got a drop of mixed hcg in a vial of oil it definitely gets cloudy

    I will do xperiment to show

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