Trt?

Hey guys been here a while just cruising the forums and people experiences but I have a question about trt.

I am 23years old about to turn 24 next month, have never ran a cycle but planned to and got blood work done and my testosterone levels came back at 342 ng/dl, through research I have come to the conclusion that this is less than half what it should be at my age, am I right in saying so? I always notices no matter how much work I put in the gym, how much good clean food I eat ( even tried the dirty bulk approach) muscle gain is very minimal. The doctors here in the uk are not all for giving trt prescriptions so unfortunately here, you are on your own, does anyone with knowledge on trt recommend I take a trt doseage with my level of testosterone?

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Originally Posted by ChasinGains

Hey guys been here a while just cruising the forums and people experiences but I have a question about trt.

I am 23years old about to turn 24 next month, have never ran a cycle but planned to and got blood work done and my testosterone levels came back at 342 ng/dl, through research I have come to the conclusion that this is less than half what it should be at my age, am I right in saying so? I always notices no matter how much work I put in the gym, how much good clean food I eat ( even tried the dirty bulk approach) muscle gain is very minimal. The doctors here in the uk are not all for giving trt prescriptions so unfortunately here, you are on your own, does anyone with knowledge on trt recommend I take a trt doseage with my level of testosterone?

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I would first find out if I had primary or secondary hypogonadism. You may be able to get back in the normal range with the appropriate treatment.

There’s no reason your levels should be that low at your age.

If all else fails, then I would definitely get on TRT. You have to keep an eye on your cholesterol levels. Mine went to shit on a very low TRT dose. Also check your hematocrit, RBC count, estrogen, etc.

May be worth exploring some other physicians as well. Solid advice above, something is certainly not right with your levels. Do you remember what your “free T” came in at?

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

May be worth exploring some other physicians as well. Solid advice above, something is certainly not right with your levels. Do you remember what your “free T” came in at?

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Not too sure bro can’t remember, but as for the above comments, thanks for advice, I also had my cholesterol and rbc and a lot of other things tested, all was within normal range, I do remember my rbc being 5.1

Doctors in uk are terrible bro, they are very narrow minded- they pretty much tell you to get on with it (even though I have payed quite a lot into the health care system and never once used it) I would do trt tomorrow but the only thing that is stopping me is potential fertility problems in the future

Get comprehensive bloodwork done and go from there. Blindly implementing HRT is not going to get you much further ahead.

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Originally Posted by Windex

Get comprehensive bloodwork done and go from there. Blindly implementing HRT is not going to get you much further ahead.

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Agreed and be your own best advocate. It may take visiting some different providers or ask around to find someone that specializes in that area and is a proponent of men’s wellness. I can only speak to what I’ve encountered in the States, but the state of hormones in men and their importance is changing and gaining traction...for the positive. The stigmas associated with them are diminishing. It’s long been a foundation for woman’s health and now men are gaining ground in that arena as well. Be proactive in your discussions with your doctor and read up on the subject. Your blood work and labs will be the foundation for discussions though. Also focus in on your “symptoms”.

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Originally Posted by ChasinGains

Doctors in uk are terrible bro, they are very narrow minded- they pretty much tell you to get on with it (even though I have payed quite a lot into the health care system and never once used it) I would do trt tomorrow but the only thing that is stopping me is potential fertility problems in the future

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Forgot to mention that BOTH of my sons were born after I started on TRT, I believe there’s so others that fall into that category as well. It’s anecdotal, but sterility isn’t a given. Again, part of the discussion and the risk/reward ratio you have to consider (among many others) before you start your journey

Great for you bro that you farthered on trt, yes I see it a lot, also in pro bodybuilders than take a lot of steroids furthering, I will not be taking anywhere near the dosages or different compounds they are taking, I seem to have no symptoms of low testosterone, I had a dexa scab and my lean tissue was 66kg, which isn’t too bad,but I have been lifting for 5years, gains are way slower than people I know who are also natural

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Originally Posted by Windex

Get comprehensive bloodwork done and go from there. Blindly implementing HRT is not going to get you much further ahead.

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At the moment just sick of these shit doctors in the uk saying “you are too young to have low testosterone” been tested and they are saying it’s low but not low enough for trt and pretty much just said I’m young get over it, well it’s easy for them to say, there is a massive stigma in the uk than steroids kill you. USA are much further ahead in this department, uk are 80 years behind

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Originally Posted by ChasinGains

At the moment just sick of these shit doctors in the uk saying “you are too young to have low testosterone” been tested and they are saying it’s low but not low enough for trt and pretty much just said I’m young get over it, well it’s easy for them to say, there is a massive stigma in the uk than steroids kill you. USA are much further ahead in this department, uk are 80 years behind

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Spend more time doing research to locate the correct doctor for your needs.

that stigma is for all of the world - not just the UK.

Focus on bloodwork related to your symptoms. Walking into a doctors office trying to sell them on scripting you TRT is not the approach I would go.

You need to run a comprehensive panel for BW. Just checking testosterone levels is useless because there's a lot of other variables at play.

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Originally Posted by Windex

Spend more time doing research to locate the correct doctor for your needs.

that stigma is for all of the world - not just the UK.

Focus on bloodwork related to your symptoms. Walking into a doctors office trying to sell them on scripting you TRT is not the approach I would go.

You need to run a comprehensive panel for BW. Just checking testosterone levels is useless because there's a lot of other variables at play.

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I used medi checks and got the full essential blood panel, it was not just testosterone

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Originally Posted by ChasinGains

Great for you bro that you farthered on trt, yes I see it a lot, also in pro bodybuilders than take a lot of steroids furthering, I will not be taking anywhere near the dosages or different compounds they are taking, I seem to have no symptoms of low testosterone, I had a dexa scab and my lean tissue was 66kg, which isn’t too bad,but I have been lifting for 5years, gains are way slower than people I know who are also natural

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If u don't have low T symptoms then I probably wouldn't go on TRT, at least not yet. Your total T is low, but since u're young, your SHBG is probably on the low end, so your free T might be not too bad and that's what matters. I'd test for free T and SHBG if u haven't already, and post whatever else u've already got.

Also it's worth noting that your T level could be what's normal for u, meaning u might have always had that, and it doesn't cause any symptoms or risks for u. Some people compete in the olympics with your levels. Unfortunately, there's no way to know whether u had higher levels in the past or not. My total T was twice 8 years ago compared to what it was a year ago, so it was obvious that I had a problem.