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    My girlfriend bloated when stopped AAS

    Hello guys, it's well-known women don't need PCT after AAS cessation. I'm investigating why my girlfriend after stopping AAS, starts to bloat like a ballon, filling of water. She has one kidney from birth and this is bigger than two ones and it works as they were two kidneys.

    But, i don't think her bloating is related to this. In last cycle she did Winstrol 75mg/week with T3 50mcg/ED, Nolva 10mg/ED and she added 10 days before competition, Proviron 50mg/ED. Now she stopped immediately Proviron and gradually she's tapering out Winstrol, T3 and Nolva. She increased carbs at 70 gr./ED now and she's bloating and holding a lot of water; her arms seems to be without muscles and are soft and flat.. she's very depressed.

    In past, when she did Test Prop 50mg/week and Winstrol at 75mg/week for 6 weeks and stopped them without tapering, she bloated very quickly in face, low abdomen, ankles, arms etc.

    Now i wonder what this bloating is bound to. I thought about cortisol and/or estrogens rebound, but i don't know if aldosterone is involved in this process. It's not usual a female to bloat in this way after stopping a cycle, even without tapering the compounds.

    If there's someone could give some elucidations it about, i would be very grateful to him/her, because she's very depressed it about.

    Thank you so much in advance for your time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    Hello guys, it's well-known women don't need PCT after AAS cessation. I'm investigating why my girlfriend after stopping AAS, starts to bloat like a ballon, filling of water. She has one kidney from birth and this is bigger than two ones and it works as they were two kidneys.

    But, i don't think her bloating is related to this. In last cycle she did Winstrol 75mg/week with T3 50mcg/ED, Nolva 10mg/ED and she added 10 days before competition, Proviron 50mg/ED. Now she stopped immediately Proviron and gradually she's tapering out Winstrol, T3 and Nolva. She increased carbs at 70 gr./ED now and she's bloating and holding a lot of water; her arms seems to be without muscles and are soft and flat.. she's very depressed.

    In past, when she did Test Prop 50mg/week and Winstrol at 75mg/week for 6 weeks and stopped them without tapering, she bloated very quickly in face, low abdomen, ankles, arms etc.

    Now i wonder what this bloating is bound to. I thought about cortisol and/or estrogens rebound, but i don't know if aldosterone is involved in this process. It's not usual a female to bloat in this way after stopping a cycle, even without tapering the compounds.

    If there's someone could give some elucidations it about, i would be very grateful to him/her, because she's very depressed it about.

    Thank you so much in advance for your time.
    Not an expert on female gear use but ...

    Did she adjust her diet as she changed her T3 dosages and gradually tweak macros?

    There's a rebound effect to a degree in women for T3 if they don't reverse diet correctly. John meadows has a pretty good podcast on this.

    Could also be an estrogen issue, tested via bloodwork.

    Perhaps a female member has more information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Not an expert on female gear use but ...

    Did she adjust her diet as she changed her T3 dosages and gradually tweak macros?

    There's a rebound effect to a degree in women for T3 if they don't reverse diet correctly. John meadows has a pretty good podcast on this.

    Could also be an estrogen issue, tested via bloodwork.

    Perhaps a female member has more information.
    I thought the same too. But, she told me in previous cycle she did, never took T3 and got the identical bloating results when stopped. Yes, it could be a cortisol effect, this time caused by indirect T3 rebound effect, while the others times it was due abrupt stopping of Test prop and winstrol ( more androgen compound you do in female body and more cortisol rebound it would be expected ). Further, tonight she told me had a brutal sugar desire... and it's well-known it would be an high estrogens symptons, especially in women in pre-menstrual phase... if estrogens, i think it could related with Nolva tapering ( she passed from 10mg/ED to 5mg/ED 2 days ago... ). But this time, she didn't strong androgens compound, neither aromaizable compound; i thought it could be related to proviron stopping (it has an anti-aromatizable properties ) and Nolva tapering... but just my guessing.. Winstrol block cortisol on andrenal glands directly but she did last Winstrol shot of 25mg, 2 days ago.. is too much little time passed to cause a cortisol rebound, even the body attempt to compensate in time increasing cortisol level even keeping the same dosage of Winstrol, increasing ACTH releasing...

    I think the causes are mixed in cortisol up-regulation and estrogens... i thought to give her Cytadren for a while with a low dose of Test E ( 25mg/week ) keeping Nolva to 5mg to see if all stabilizes....

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    It's going to more than likely be estrogen related

    Those winsrtol and priviron etc. Are dominant when used and outweighs estrogen levels.

    When stopping, they are gone quick as well as supressing the little bit of testosterone females naturally have.

    Now estrogen is dominant, and doing it's thing. Such as bloat and water retention.

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    Agree with Couch - if she took anabolics, her body likely upped the estrogen too. Now with the anabolics gone, the body is still used to creating more estrogen than before the cycle, hence an overabundance of estrogen and the related sides. It will probably take time to re-regulate.
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    I think estrogens affect the scenario just as minimal, especially she's using a SERM. When androgens level drops, estrogens level drops too and gonatropins releasing from hypotalamus/pituitary gland begin to rise again and send a signal to ovary to start menstrual cycle phases; without gonatropins (FSH/LH ) there's not estrogens production, especially in women. So, what i think is more conceivable is that cortisol rebound after androgens cessation - especially with Winstrol - send a signal to kidneys to keep more sodium and water; and being my girlfriend has just one kidney from birth - even it's bigger and work almost as two ones - aldosterone saturated more receptors in place, causing a massive water/sodium retention. For this reason, i think Cytadren at low dosage after stopping AAS, could be useful in her case, because its properties are suitable to mitigate this bad effect addressing different areas ( estrogens aromatization and cortisol conversion )... but it's just a my theory, as she told me this phenomenon happened more when she used stanazolol and stopped it. Even aldactone at mild dosages ( 25mg/ED ) for maximum a week, could be useful. She's taking aldactone now for a couple of days and she told me that is going better.
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    With just one kidney she needs to be super careful. The bloating/weight gain is most likely just a fluctuation of hormones which will eventually balance back out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    With just one kidney she needs to be super careful. The bloating/weight gain is most likely just a fluctuation of hormones which will eventually balance back out.
    Yes Ashop. She took aldactone at 25mg for 4 days and all bloated disappear. I've noticed this happened mostly when she did Winstrol . Cortisol rebound having just one kidney cause worst bloating effects. It's not estrogens related, because she took 10mg of Nolva/ED and she didn't aromatizable compound. Now she's eating around 100gr. of carbs/ED, less frequent training sessions, with T3 at 25mcg/ED and Anavar at 10mg/ED and she removed Nolva at all and she's very good now. She decreased sodium and increased potassium at 600mg/ED and she's very good now. Cortisol is reduced and her kidney is working less and better.

    My guessing is that aldosterone find just a lower set of receptors as she has just one kidney; when it is stimulated by the cortisol, its effect on the kidney is stronger than a person with 2 kidneys; this could explain the strong sodium retention and higher potassium excretion as she often suffer of cramps as well. Cortisol rebound is higher when you use Winstrol and high androgen compounds and remove them ( especially without tapering out them ). In female physiology, when gonatropins are blocked, it's impossible getting direct stimulation for estrogens productions except that one you can get from exogenous androgens conversion by aromatase; infact if you use weak compound which cause a moderate gonatropins suppression ( as Anavar or Winstrol at moderate dosages ), you can still get a little estrogens production as the signal from FSH and LH to ovarian follicles is still present. If you use androgens like Test, the signal is totally suppressed and the only estrogens conversion is given by aromatase from the direct exogenous androgens conversion. For these reasons, if a woman would use high androgenicity compound ( even is not suggested as we know ), should use a minimal Testosterone base to ensure a minimal estrogens conversion, exactly like a man.

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