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    Peptide Healing Cycle

    Hey guys, been incredibly busy last month renovating a house I bought and them getting moved in. Cycle is still going well, couple weeks left. I've been plagued by shoulder issues for the last few years that have really hindered my chest progress on this cycle so I think when it's done it will be time to really try to tackle them full on. That and an ulser in my esophagus.

    I've been looking into BPC 157 and TB500 and hoping to get some feedback from guys who have used it. Shoulder issues are scar tissue and other tissue damage, no breaks or tears or just mostly wear from years of poor posture and winged scapulas and cuff impingement that I ignored or didn't know how to treat properly.

    I've read both peptides have little to no side effects that are so far known aside from some temporary head rushes and lethargy post injections. For the TB500 I'll be injecting into my side deltoids, pecs and possibly biceps (the whole connective branch is my problem) with insulin syringes as I've read it helps to shoot close to the injury area. With the BPC I'll take orally for the gastrointestinal effect focus. I plan to start a couple weeks after i finish my pct protocol.

    Looking mainly for feedback on is stacking both effective /worth the extra cost. Length of effective cycle, comment on dosages. Looks like I'll be shelling out 100 bucks for the BPC and 400 for the TB500, so I'm also wondering if it's worth it to just try the BPC on its own as the TB500 is 4x the price is it worth the cost. I'm 30 5'8 180lbs, estimated 10 to 12 percent BF currently running 500mg test.

    Week 1-6
    TB500 2.5mg twice weekly
    Week 1 - 4
    BPC157 250mcg twice daily

    Here are some articles I referenced for information.

    https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/art...to-use-tb-500/

    https://bluecloud-org.cdn.ampproject...500-full-guide

    https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/art...o-use-bpc-157/

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    I'd definitely add a ghrp to it and tons of arginine

    Heat as well, any type of heat is tremendous at healing wounds. If you can do light high rep work to increase the circulation that's also very ideal. Usually if you train the injured area without covering it in clothing it hurts much more, really easy to notice with hands or wrists.
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    Havenít a clue but Iím fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, Iíd never heard of either. Iíve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, Iím now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all Iíve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. Iíll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
    Didnít mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Haven’t a clue but I’m fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, I’d never heard of either. I’ve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, I’m now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all I’ve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. I’ll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
    Didn’t mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either
    Sermorelin is the weakest ghrp iirc, ghrp2/6 are better and hexerelin is by far the best. You should definitely notice a difference in your shoulder covered vs uncovered in terms of pain.

    Physiologically speaking stem cells do things that we can already do normally, just need the right environment (heat)
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    I've used both TB500 and BPC157, I prefer BPC because *I think* it helped my bicep strain a little better. To be fair, I ran TB, then BPC about a month later so it may have been a cumulative effect, but I only run BPC now. I ran both about 5 weeks, injections daily.

    I've also read that TB was more effective injected locally, but I've since come to think it doesn't really matter, but I shoot BPC in the abdomen normally.

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    I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.


    I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

    I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

    One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

    You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Haven’t a clue but I’m fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, I’d never heard of either. I’ve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, I’m now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all I’ve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. I’ll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
    Didn’t mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either
    I'm at the point where I can't even look at a bench. I've had to get very creative with my chest and shoulder workouts, cable flyers at certain angles, press machines with one arm only and turned towards arm I'm using. Even my bicep workouts are starting to bother me where when I get a good pump it hurts a bit but I've been going pretty hard last 6 months. I never get extreme pain but have learned when the soreness/weakness sets in I have to dial back or switch exercises. I miss the days of pain free workouts so, so much. Previous to starting my cycle I was progressing incredibly well and thought I was on the other side of it. I was almost pain free, dumbbell pressing, posture great and winged scaps much improved, but unfortunately it seems like as soon as I slow down my physio and/or get back to heavy or repetitive physical stressors outside the gym ie scraping and painting ceilings the past month everyday it comes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    I'd definitely add a ghrp to it and tons of arginine

    Heat as well, any type of heat is tremendous at healing wounds. If you can do light high rep work to increase the circulation that's also very ideal. Usually if you train the injured area without covering it in clothing it hurts much more, really easy to notice with hands or wrists.
    I've used heat, cold, lacrosse ball massaging, all kinds of exercises, acupuncture tried lots. Got an xray done and missed my damn ultrasound but have another booked to get a good look.

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    Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.

    A PM with direction (if you have them) would be an early Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.


    I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

    I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

    One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

    You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared
    Thanks for the feedback. I hit the sauna after every workout for around 20 minutes and then hot shower to wash while pores are open and then crank it to cold (Wim Hoff style).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.
    I believe I've found a reputable company sponsored on a forum and positively reviewed on a few others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee112 View Post
    I'm at the point where I can't even look at a bench. I've had to get very creative with my chest and shoulder workouts, cable flyers at certain angles, press machines with one arm only and turned towards arm I'm using. Even my bicep workouts are starting to bother me where when I get a good pump it hurts a bit but I've been going pretty hard last 6 months. I never get extreme pain but have learned when the soreness/weakness sets in I have to dial back or switch exercises. I miss the days of pain free workouts so, so much. Previous to starting my cycle I was progressing incredibly well and thought I was on the other side of it. I was almost pain free, dumbbell pressing, posture great and winged scaps much improved, but unfortunately it seems like as soon as I slow down my physio and/or get back to heavy or repetitive physical stressors outside the gym ie scraping and painting ceilings the past month everyday it comes back.

    Getting creative and finding angles is exactly what I do as well. Mine waxes and wanes dramatically and being 44 isn’t helping either. Heavy sets can set me back as well but some days they don’t bother me as well. Pretty sure if I was a horse they’d shoot me but the enjoyment I feel from being strong and weight training and the mental satisfaction it provides coupled with the vanity of how I look in a t shirt trumps all of the aches and pains that come with being a gym rat...for now.
    I’m with you though, I try all that can. Acupuncture, massage, adjustments, heat, dry needling and now I’d like to try the aforementioned peptides. Keep us posted as will I. Great thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.


    I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

    I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

    One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

    You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared
    Just reread this. A 10mg shot of TB500 would be a $155 injection! Is that worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee112 View Post
    Just reread this. A 10mg shot of TB500 would be a $155 injection! Is that worth it?
    i think it's worth it. There's 5mg TB + 5mg BPC same vial being sold by the way.
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    What's worth more ? A repaired shoulder or $155
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee112 View Post
    I believe I've found a reputable company sponsored on a forum and positively reviewed on a few others.
    If you are referring to Chad he's got good products.
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    A repaired shoulder obviously but that is assuming the dosage and product warrants the cost. Does the frontload 10mg make that greater of a deal of a difference?

    I'm not sure who Chad is but if you suggest good products I wouldn't mind a PM with the info for him, thanks.
    Are we allowed to name research peptide companies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee112 View Post
    A repaired shoulder obviously but that is assuming the dosage and product warrants the cost. Does the frontload 10mg make that greater of a deal of a difference?

    I'm not sure who Chad is but if you suggest good products I wouldn't mind a PM with the info for him, thanks.
    Are we allowed to name research peptide companies?
    I don't have any data that supports front loading or not, but I would rather stack the deck in my favour. Never considered it until listening to Jean Francois from Montreal. It makes sense on paper, it's got a long therapeutic half life (4-5 days) so getting maximum saturation early would be beneficial.

    Chad is Canadian and sells assorted Medical Supplies.
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    I'd like to start this as soon as possible. Looking for recommendation should I wait for 6 week post pct bloods or would there be no issue starting it up during or right after pct?

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