Peptide Healing Cycle

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 10:57 AM

Hey guys, been incredibly busy last month renovating a house I bought and them getting moved in. Cycle is still going well, couple weeks left. I've been plagued by shoulder issues for the last few years that have really hindered my chest progress on this cycle so I think when it's done it will be time to really try to tackle them full on. That and an ulser in my esophagus.

I've been looking into BPC 157 and TB500 and hoping to get some feedback from guys who have used it. Shoulder issues are scar tissue and other tissue damage, no breaks or tears or just mostly wear from years of poor posture and winged scapulas and cuff impingement that I ignored or didn't know how to treat properly.

I've read both peptides have little to no side effects that are so far known aside from some temporary head rushes and lethargy post injections. For the TB500 I'll be injecting into my side deltoids, pecs and possibly biceps (the whole connective branch is my problem) with insulin syringes as I've read it helps to shoot close to the injury area. With the BPC I'll take orally for the gastrointestinal effect focus. I plan to start a couple weeks after i finish my pct protocol.

Looking mainly for feedback on is stacking both effective /worth the extra cost. Length of effective cycle, comment on dosages. Looks like I'll be shelling out 100 bucks for the BPC and 400 for the TB500, so I'm also wondering if it's worth it to just try the BPC on its own as the TB500 is 4x the price is it worth the cost. I'm 30 5'8 180lbs, estimated 10 to 12 percent BF currently running 500mg test.

Week 1-6
TB500 2.5mg twice weekly
Week 1 - 4
BPC157 250mcg twice daily

Here are some articles I referenced for information.

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/art...to-use-tb-500/

https://bluecloud-org.cdn.ampproject...500-full-guide

https://bengreenfieldfitness.com/art...o-use-bpc-157/

**fiddlesticks** · 05-13-2019, 11:05 AM

I'd definitely add a ghrp to it and tons of arginine

Heat as well, any type of heat is tremendous at healing wounds. If you can do light high rep work to increase the circulation that's also very ideal. Usually if you train the injured area without covering it in clothing it hurts much more, really easy to notice with hands or wrists.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 05-13-2019, 11:25 AM

Haven’t a clue but I’m fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, I’d never heard of either. I’ve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, I’m now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all I’ve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. I’ll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
Didn’t mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either

**fiddlesticks** · 05-13-2019, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Haven’t a clue but I’m fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, I’d never heard of either. I’ve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, I’m now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all I’ve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. I’ll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
Didn’t mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either

Sermorelin is the weakest ghrp iirc, ghrp2/6 are better and hexerelin is by far the best. You should definitely notice a difference in your shoulder covered vs uncovered in terms of pain.

Physiologically speaking stem cells do things that we can already do normally, just need the right environment (heat)

**Charlie67** · 05-13-2019, 12:28 PM

I've used both TB500 and BPC157, I prefer BPC because *I think* it helped my bicep strain a little better. To be fair, I ran TB, then BPC about a month later so it may have been a cumulative effect, but I only run BPC now. I ran both about 5 weeks, injections daily.

I've also read that TB was more effective injected locally, but I've since come to think it doesn't really matter, but I shoot BPC in the abdomen normally.

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 12:33 PM

I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.

I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Haven’t a clue but I’m fascinated by the links you attached and to see what others chime in on as well. Until now, I’d never heard of either. I’ve torn my labrum twice and have had corrective surgery both times, I’m now bone on bone in that shoulder and plagued by arthritis and constant pain (especially sleeping). Strangely my strength is still there (405 x 6 on bench and shoulder press of 315 x 6). My TRT doc has me on semorelin acetate but all I’ve noticed are differences (positive ones) in sleep. I’ll be reading more on your proposed regimen with extreme interest and bringing this to my providers attention. I keep having a total shoulder replacement pushed on me (no fucking way) and PRP and stem cell (10 grand a pop) as well as some crazy guesses that I have thoracic outlet syndrome...nope.
Didn’t mean to hijack your thread, just caught my interest and had never heard of either

I'm at the point where I can't even look at a bench. I've had to get very creative with my chest and shoulder workouts, cable flyers at certain angles, press machines with one arm only and turned towards arm I'm using. Even my bicep workouts are starting to bother me where when I get a good pump it hurts a bit but I've been going pretty hard last 6 months. I never get extreme pain but have learned when the soreness/weakness sets in I have to dial back or switch exercises. I miss the days of pain free workouts so, so much. Previous to starting my cycle I was progressing incredibly well and thought I was on the other side of it. I was almost pain free, dumbbell pressing, posture great and winged scaps much improved, but unfortunately it seems like as soon as I slow down my physio and/or get back to heavy or repetitive physical stressors outside the gym ie scraping and painting ceilings the past month everyday it comes back.

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by fiddlesticks

I'd definitely add a ghrp to it and tons of arginine

Heat as well, any type of heat is tremendous at healing wounds. If you can do light high rep work to increase the circulation that's also very ideal. Usually if you train the injured area without covering it in clothing it hurts much more, really easy to notice with hands or wrists.

I've used heat, cold, lacrosse ball massaging, all kinds of exercises, acupuncture tried lots. Got an xray done and missed my damn ultrasound but have another booked to get a good look.

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 12:57 PM

Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 05-13-2019, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.

A PM with direction (if you have them) would be an early Christmas

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.

I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared

Thanks for the feedback. I hit the sauna after every workout for around 20 minutes and then hot shower to wash while pores are open and then crank it to cold (Wim Hoff style).

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

Make sure you do your research before buying. Lots of snake oil being sold as well as underdosed products.

I believe I've found a reputable company sponsored on a forum and positively reviewed on a few others.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 05-13-2019, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

I'm at the point where I can't even look at a bench. I've had to get very creative with my chest and shoulder workouts, cable flyers at certain angles, press machines with one arm only and turned towards arm I'm using. Even my bicep workouts are starting to bother me where when I get a good pump it hurts a bit but I've been going pretty hard last 6 months. I never get extreme pain but have learned when the soreness/weakness sets in I have to dial back or switch exercises. I miss the days of pain free workouts so, so much. Previous to starting my cycle I was progressing incredibly well and thought I was on the other side of it. I was almost pain free, dumbbell pressing, posture great and winged scaps much improved, but unfortunately it seems like as soon as I slow down my physio and/or get back to heavy or repetitive physical stressors outside the gym ie scraping and painting ceilings the past month everyday it comes back.

Getting creative and finding angles is exactly what I do as well. Mine waxes and wanes dramatically and being 44 isn’t helping either. Heavy sets can set me back as well but some days they don’t bother me as well. Pretty sure if I was a horse they’d shoot me but the enjoyment I feel from being strong and weight training and the mental satisfaction it provides coupled with the vanity of how I look in a t shirt trumps all of the aches and pains that come with being a gym rat...for now.
I’m with you though, I try all that can. Acupuncture, massage, adjustments, heat, dry needling and now I’d like to try the aforementioned peptides. Keep us posted as will I. Great thread

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Windex

I've used both for my back. I'm in week 3 right now and I've reduced my narcotic requirements by about 20-40%.

I would not add anything else to it outside of BPC and TB. Throwing the kitchen sink in can be counterproductive.

I would frontload 10mg of TB500 on first injection and 2mg of BPC157 on first injection.

One of the leading peptide experts Jean Francois has two excellent peptide podcast lectures.

You should also be doing sauna 3-5 times per week at 19 mins for traditional and 25 mins for infared

Just reread this. A 10mg shot of TB500 would be a $155 injection! Is that worth it?

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

Just reread this. A 10mg shot of TB500 would be a $155 injection! Is that worth it?

i think it's worth it. There's 5mg TB + 5mg BPC same vial being sold by the way.

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 03:50 PM

What's worth more ? A repaired shoulder or $155

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

I believe I've found a reputable company sponsored on a forum and positively reviewed on a few others.

If you are referring to Chad he's got good products.

**DeeCee112** · 05-13-2019, 06:17 PM

A repaired shoulder obviously but that is assuming the dosage and product warrants the cost. Does the frontload 10mg make that greater of a deal of a difference?

I'm not sure who Chad is but if you suggest good products I wouldn't mind a PM with the info for him, thanks.
Are we allowed to name research peptide companies?

**Windex** · 05-13-2019, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

A repaired shoulder obviously but that is assuming the dosage and product warrants the cost. Does the frontload 10mg make that greater of a deal of a difference?

I'm not sure who Chad is but if you suggest good products I wouldn't mind a PM with the info for him, thanks.
Are we allowed to name research peptide companies?

I don't have any data that supports front loading or not, but I would rather stack the deck in my favour. Never considered it until listening to Jean Francois from Montreal. It makes sense on paper, it's got a long therapeutic half life (4-5 days) so getting maximum saturation early would be beneficial.

Chad is Canadian and sells assorted Medical Supplies.

**DeeCee112** · 05-22-2019, 11:23 AM

I'd like to start this as soon as possible. Looking for recommendation should I wait for 6 week post pct bloods or would there be no issue starting it up during or right after pct?

**DeeCee112** · 06-17-2019, 04:31 PM

Ordering my peptides tonight.

I'm just about to start pct thuraday, Any feedback on starting these peptides in week 3 or 4 of pct or right after? Will they interfere with recovery at all?

**DeeCee112** · 06-17-2019, 04:56 PM

Gonna be honest I'm feeling beat to shit so I'm looking to get on this asap. I am so goddamn sick of feeling handicapped and irate by pain in the gym. I've been flat out since October with an aggressive calorie intake and heavy lifting and crazy workload and changes in my life leading up to and through this cycle. . Huge strength increases and an added 20lbs of weight for the last few months have my body feeling rocked. Last month my nutrition and training have taken a hit pretty bad but gonna dig deep and call on every ounce of willpower to keep lifting and eating through pct and after to keep my gains on. I'm so sick of having shoulder pain, now left knee and elbows, right wrist feel like I've been through a battle though.

Up side is if I keep my head in the game and keep even 50 percent of my improved physique and I'll be incredibly happy because I've learned so damn much from finally sacking up and stabbing myself with a needle after a good 8 years of thinking about it. I also feel like I've grown mentally putting myself through this and seeing it through, battling self doubt, anxiety and battling with aches and pains and emotionally swings.

**DeeCee112** · 07-15-2019, 04:23 PM

Good news is my ultrasound and xray both came in clean. No signs of any damage. My doctor says my tendons are just weak and need to catch up but I know he's wrong since I've had this shoulder pain / discomfort for years of training.

Bad news is where do I go from here.. Should I dump a grand into these peptides if there isn't even real damage showing or just refocus on stretching, yoga and all that no fun shit for a few months. Maybe some HGH...?

Anyone else experience similar shoulder issues without an actual major injury? It's like somewhere in the bicep pec tie in area and it drives me crazy when I try to do any overhead pressing or most bench or Dumbbell press work.

**Windex** · 07-15-2019, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by DeeCee112

Good news is my ultrasound and xray both came in clean. No signs of any damage. My doctor says my tendons are just weak and need to catch up but I know he's wrong since I've had this shoulder pain / discomfort for years of training.

Bad news is where do I go from here.. Should I dump a grand into these peptides if there isn't even real damage showing or just refocus on stretching, yoga and all that no fun shit for a few months. Maybe some HGH...?

Anyone else experience similar shoulder issues without an actual major injury? It's like somewhere in the bicep pec tie in area and it drives me crazy when I try to do any overhead pressing or most bench or Dumbbell press work.

Running HGH is going to cost a lot more than peptides, and take months to kick in.

Damage like scar tissue and other types of damage is not going to show up on imaging.

I would be doing Yoga whether injury or not. It is the cheapest form of protective and preventative treatment for future injuries. A lot cheaper than $100/week for massage or float tank.

**DeeCee112** · 07-15-2019, 05:19 PM

No I got ya I try to practice yoga once a week but don't have alot of spare time I often have to decide whether to lift weights OR do yoga.. So guess what usually wins.

Don't know super frustrated at this point. Im thinking give the peptides a go and dial back to focus on real low weight but slow and intense muscle contraction, stretching and strengthening the small support muscles like serratus.

**Windex** · 07-15-2019, 06:34 PM

Go to Yoga until you feel comfortable enough to do it at home. A mat is $15-$20 and YouTube can provide whatever music suits your routine the best.

Here are your options if you don't go with peptides

- spend 6-9 months working on strengthening the small muscles which may or may not have any benefit

- spend literally a fortune on HGH ($1500 a month if scripted) or buy HGH internationally using bitcoin (added process), plus risk seizure (Canada has the second highest seizure rate in the world, first is Australia). Plus looking at 3-6 months before improvement.

- Cortisone injections (can cause more problems than they solve, long wait times for treatment, and very strict treatment schedule)

- Surgery (russian roulette)

- Quit lifting heavy, only volume, work around injury (only a short term bandaid solution)

**DeeCee112** · 07-17-2019, 07:17 AM

I've practiced yoga on and off for years, do it at home occasionally. I do feel better when I get it in at least once a week no doubt but even when I was getting 2 good sessions a week consistently the issues did not go away.

I'm assuming at this point it's a combination of scar tissue and other soft tissue issues plus poor shoulder alignment. I'll be going forward with the peptides in conjunction with a low weight high volume training program. Like real low weight - with very slow reps and extreme focus on activating and isolating muscle groups. I'll also be adding 30mins per day of physio-like strengthening and stretching exercises and bi weekly deep tissue massages.

My goal will be to return to pain free workouts without limits to what exercises I can perform and ready for my second cycle by January.