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    First cycle advice

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    Height- 5’8”
    Weight- 71kg
    Body fat - don’t know but see my attached photo
    Blood test- normal

    It is my first cycle. I plan 250mg testosterone enth/week for 2 weeks
    Week 3-12 — test enth 500mg/week ( two shots/week , each 250mg)
    Week 1-14 — arimidex 0.25mg eod
    Pct
    Week 15-18 — Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Week 15-18 — nolvadex 40/20/20/20

    My question is that How to use hcg after cycle with pct or in cycle?
    And plz give me any other advice related cycle
    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Male
    Age -26 male
    Height- 5í8Ē
    Weight- 71kg
    Body fat - donít know but see my attached photo
    Blood test- normal

    It is my first cycle. I plan 250mg testosterone enth/week for 2 weeks
    Week 3-12 ó test enth 500mg/week ( two shots/week , each 250mg)
    Week 1-14 ó arimidex 0.25mg eod
    Pct
    Week 15-18 ó Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Week 15-18 ó nolvadex 40/20/20/20

    My question is that How to use hcg after cycle with pct or in cycle?
    And plz give me any other advice related cycle
    Thanks
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    Excessive amount of Arimidex. No reason to have half the test dose for only the first two weeks.

    What does your exact diet look like - meals, quantities, macro and micro breakdown? 71kg is an indication something is missing in your program.

    If your stuck at that weight now steroids are not going to help you get bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Excessive amount of Arimidex . No reason to have half the test dose for only the first two weeks.

    What does your exact diet look like - meals, quantities, macro and micro breakdown? 71kg is an indication something is missing in your program.

    If your stuck at that weight now steroids are not going to help you get bigger.
    6am - One cup oats , half scoop on whey gold standard, 10 almonds, cinnamon, one spoon flax seed, one banana, 300 ml low fat milk.

    9am - 8 brown bread , 300gm curd, 250gm kidney beans recipe

    10.30am - one banana + 250ml low fat milk

    11:30am - handful roasted soybean + 250ml low fat milk

    12:30pm - 100gm fresh cheese

    2pm - 8 brown bread + 300gm curd, + 250gm any beans recipe

    3pm - 250ml low fat milk
    4pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5:30pm - 2 brown bread

    6pm - workout

    7pm - half scoop on whey gold whey + 3gm creatine + two banana’s

    8pm - 6 brown bread , 250gm beans recipe

    9pm - one walnut + 250ml milk

    I am vegetarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    6am - One cup oats , half scoop on whey gold standard, 10 almonds, cinnamon, one spoon flax seed, one banana, 300 ml low fat milk.

    9am - 8 brown bread , 300gm curd, 250gm kidney beans recipe

    10.30am - one banana + 250ml low fat milk

    11:30am - handful roasted soybean + 250ml low fat milk

    12:30pm - 100gm fresh cheese

    2pm - 8 brown bread + 300gm curd, + 250gm any beans recipe

    3pm - 250ml low fat milk
    4pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5:30pm - 2 brown bread

    6pm - workout

    7pm - half scoop on whey gold whey + 3gm creatine + two bananaís

    8pm - 6 brown bread , 250gm beans recipe

    9pm - one walnut + 250ml milk

    I am vegetarian.
    - Not enough calories for growth

    - Too many liquid calories

    - Soy is very bad for men, it's basically estrogen.

    - Should be aiming for vegetables in every meal

    - Not enough fat, and no eggs (if you are allowed to eat). Need more saturated fat.

    - Almost your entire diet is from processed food.

    - Missing sodium and magnesium for electrolytes.

    - Lots of empty calories from bread

    Not trying to be harsh but would focus heavily on improving diet before considering cycling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    - Not enough calories for growth

    - Too many liquid calories

    - Soy is very bad for men, it's basically estrogen.

    - Should be aiming for vegetables in every meal

    - Not enough fat, and no eggs (if you are allowed to eat). Need more saturated fat.

    - Almost your entire diet is from processed food.

    - Missing sodium and magnesium for electrolytes.

    - Lots of empty calories from bread

    Not trying to be harsh but would focus heavily on improving diet before considering cycling.
    Handful soybeans increase estrogen?
    I think calories are calories... it from liquid or solid
    My doctor say handful soybeans not increase estrogen..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Handful soybeans increase estrogen?
    I think calories are calories... it from liquid or solid
    My doctor say handful soybeans not increase estrogen..
    It's not easy to receive nutrition criticism. I thought my diet was good when I started and when I posted it up I realized how wrong it is.

    Calories are not all the same. Liquid calories whether it's from shakes, whey, smoothies, etc are already predigested. You are training your gut to reduce digestion. When you go to add more food in the future you are going to struggle because you've trained your body to predominantly drink calories instead of eat them.

    If you feel calories are all the same then eat snickers bars and drink protein shakes and see how you feel / look.


    If you don't want to take the feedback that's your prerogative. The reality is your diet is very poor and steroids are not going to help you until you fix it.

    Good luck on your journey.
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    To answer your actual question: run HCG thru entire cycle. 250 twice per week. Stop for PCT
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    Terrible diet altogether. May I ask why you choose to be vegetarian? It will always be a huge handicap to getting results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    6am - One cup oats , half scoop on whey gold standard, 10 almonds, cinnamon, one spoon flax seed, one banana, 300 ml low fat milk.

    9am - 8 brown bread , 300gm curd, 250gm kidney beans recipe

    10.30am - one banana + 250ml low fat milk

    11:30am - handful roasted soybean + 250ml low fat milk

    12:30pm - 100gm fresh cheese

    2pm - 8 brown bread + 300gm curd, + 250gm any beans recipe

    3pm - 250ml low fat milk
    4pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5pm - 250ml low fat milk
    5:30pm - 2 brown bread

    6pm - workout

    7pm - half scoop on whey gold whey + 3gm creatine + two banana’s

    8pm - 6 brown bread , 250gm beans recipe

    9pm - one walnut + 250ml milk

    I am vegetarian.
    Holy shit man that is like one of the most F d up diet I've ever seen. Do you really eat a loaf of bread, bag of milk and block of cheese a day?
    For a vegetarian do you even eat any vegetables!?

    You need some serious help with your diet bro. I can't help you unfortunately because I have never been vegetarian and meat is key in my diet but definitely advise you to work on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Duffer View Post
    To answer your actual question: run HCG thru entire cycle. 250 twice per week. Stop for PCT
    Thank you duff! Actually answered his question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Terrible diet altogether. May I ask why you choose to be vegetarian? It will always be a huge handicap to getting results.

    Not necessarily. Look at Chrisp he’s jacked and he vegan. It’s more about the choices than the lack of meat.

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    Nobody mentioned that this guy looks like he never trained a day in his life? I was bigger than this dude at age 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Male
    Age -26 male
    Height- 5’8”
    Weight- 71kg
    Body fat - don’t know but see my attached photo
    Blood test- normal

    It is my first cycle. I plan 250mg testosterone enth/week for 2 weeks
    Week 3-12 — test enth 500mg/week ( two shots/week , each 250mg)
    Week 1-14 — arimidex 0.25mg eod
    Pct
    Week 15-18 — Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Week 15-18 — nolvadex 40/20/20/20

    My question is that How to use hcg after cycle with pct or in cycle?
    And plz give me any other advice related cycle
    Thanks
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    Go read this. This is a great starting point. There are answers to most of your questions there.

    Also, as has been pointed out already and will be indicated in the linked thread, get your diet in order. Calories up, processed foods down. Don't be afraid of a bit more fat and unprocessed foods. Replace the soybeans with almonds, walnuts or some other nut. Like Windex mentioned: eggs, if your diet will allow it. These are wonderful nutrient rich food bombs. Bread... ugh, the best way to make that worth while is to make PB+J sandwiches or use almond butter if you prefer. Get a small food processor and you can make your own nut butter. Note: if you were cutting, I wouldn't make that recommend but I think you are going for mass so you need the extra calories.

    Just changing your diet will likely break you through your current plateau and delay the need for cycling.

    Edit: oh and broccoli. All the broccoli. Spinach too but broccoli for the win!
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    Just because one person can be vegan and make it work doesn’t change the fact it is a handicap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Just because one person can be vegan and make it work doesn’t change the fact it is a handicap.
    As Butchie said in The Wire, conscience do cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    Just because one person can be vegan and make it work doesn’t change the fact it is a handicap.
    Ehh still don’t agree though. A person can be vegan and eat 12 dozen eggs a day and 6k calories and grow. Or a meat eater can drink soda and eat McDonald’s and only get fat.

    All about the diet choices

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Nobody mentioned that this guy looks like he never trained a day in his life? I was bigger than this dude at age 12.

    I don’t know why everyone’s being a dick to this guy. There’s a nice way to give advice and simply say where you think his opportunities are and offer advice to help him.

    Just cutting a guy down and not telling him anything other than how he looks like crap and his diet sucks isn’t gonna help him.

    We all started somewhere. Maybe you were a big 12yr old but so what. Don’t be such dicks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    I donít know why everyoneís being a dick to this guy. Thereís a nice way to give advice and simply say where you think his opportunities are and offer advice to help him.

    Just cutting a guy down and not telling him anything other than how he looks like crap and his diet sucks isnít gonna help him.

    We all started somewhere. Maybe you were a big 12yr old but so what. Donít be such dicks
    Brutal honesty is harder to swallow than any oral steroid .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    Ehh still don’t agree though. A person can be vegan and eat 12 dozen eggs a day and 6k calories and grow. Or a meat eater can drink soda and eat McDonald’s and only get fat.

    All about the diet choices
    Vegans don't eat eggs or any other animal products. OP however is a vegetarian so he could indeed munch on those chicken periods.
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    Vegans don't eat eggs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    That’s not really the case and you know that. That’s just factually incorrect man.


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Family_guy View Post
    Not necessarily. Look at Chrisp heís jacked and he vegan. Itís more about the choices than the lack of meat.
    Aww thank you man I appreciate the compliment.

    And I agree why is everyone being so mean to this person.
    They haven't been a dick once to anyone and they are looking for help.

    It's not necessary.


    Glad you brought that up family. Thank you !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Brutal honesty is harder to swallow than any oral steroid.
    It's not brutal honesty if you are just bashing him.
    You are mocking him and his character for what ?

    You can be honest and brutal without putting someone down.
    Reality in itself is harsh, wanting to him someone isn't about tearing them down but informing them that they may want to change things here and there and see if it works.

    And I challenge anyone to say a vegan can't grow.
    I put on 20 pounds of pure mass on this cycle in a good month.

    You just have to eat.

    Windex you are some sort of mod,
    You should be setting an example for the vets and newbs to show that this is the place to come to and not just another bullshit forum full of fuck tart meat heads that post pics of their wife's asshole open for the world to see.

    In my opinion your attitude most of the time sets a bad example.

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    I'm not trying to be a dick, but I am 1/2 way through a cycle so that may be affecting my temper. I just saw the OP's post - listed no training history or diet, and then his pic, which honestly looks like he doesn't train. I can't sugar coat that. I don't think it's right to be asking for cycle advice if you don't take training seriously. I mean if I started my cycle and I looked like I just hopped off a skateboard, I don't know what I would do with myself. I read through the thread and didn't see any previous training experience listed. So, judging by his physique, I assume he doesn't have much. No goals listed either. Would a doctor write a script to someone who just presents a picture and list of medications he wants to take? I think people giving him advice are wrong, because the guy, even if he gets big, will have a body built on steroids . He might not even know how to lift for all we know.

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    Pretend your on cycle for 15 weeks. Eat, train, sleep like youre dedicated.

    Your beginner gains will actually be more than a premature steroid cycle will produce.

    That is if you buckle down and bust ass.

    Then if you can be fully dedicated to the lifestyle. Start gear in 12 months if you must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Vegans don't eat eggs.



    Ehh vegan/vegetarian/vagitarian

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism
    [QUOTE=Windex;7461758]Vegans don't eat eggs.



    Ehh vegan/vegetarian/vagitarian

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    I was really just using vegan as short hand for vegetarian. I know there’s all kinds of different types of non meat eaters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    It's not brutal honesty if you are just bashing him.
    You are mocking him and his character for what ?

    You can be honest and brutal without putting someone down.
    Reality in itself is harsh, wanting to him someone isn't about tearing them down but informing them that they may want to change things here and there and see if it works.

    And I challenge anyone to say a vegan can't grow.
    I put on 20 pounds of pure mass on this cycle in a good month.

    You just have to eat.

    Windex you are some sort of mod,
    You should be setting an example for the vets and newbs to show that this is the place to come to and not just another bullshit forum full of fuck tart meat heads that post pics of their wife's asshole open for the world to see.

    In my opinion your attitude most of the time sets a bad example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Brutal honesty is harder to swallow than any oral steroid.
    I think it will be much more accepted from the positive side of things. When I first started competing, if I had someone providing “the brutal truth” like you, I would have quit. I had people all around me being positive and saying.. OK- we will work on this to bring it up, etc.
    I look back at my first contest ( which was all natural) and I look like I had aids. LOL.
    It was the positive people around me that was helping, not the negative “brutal truth” people.
    Remember, people come here for help. If we are negative toward them, they may be afraid to post from being picked on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I think it will be much more accepted from the positive side of things. When I first started competing, if I had someone providing “the brutal truth” like you, I would have quit. I had people all around me being positive and saying.. OK- we will work on this to bring it up, etc.
    I look back at my first contest ( which was all natural) and I look like I had aids. LOL.
    It was the positive people around me that was helping, not the negative “brutal truth” people.
    Remember, people come here for help. If we are negative toward them, they may be afraid to post from being picked on.
    Great post charger. I expect nothing less than positivity from you buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisp83TRT View Post
    It's not brutal honesty if you are just bashing him.
    You are mocking him and his character for what ?

    You can be honest and brutal without putting someone down.
    Reality in itself is harsh, wanting to him someone isn't about tearing them down but informing them that they may want to change things here and there and see if it works.

    And I challenge anyone to say a vegan can't grow.
    I put on 20 pounds of pure mass on this cycle in a good month.

    You just have to eat.

    Windex you are some sort of mod,
    You should be setting an example for the vets and newbs to show that this is the place to come to and not just another bullshit forum full of fuck tart meat heads that post pics of their wife's asshole open for the world to see.

    In my opinion your attitude most of the time sets a bad example.

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    Nowhere did I say that vegans can't grow. (that was another member)

    Nowhere did I say anything negative about his physique. (that was another member)

    I pointed out the opportunities in his nutrition program and wished him luck at the end of my post.
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    Eat a dick windex.
    Eat many dicks.
    Brutal truth.
    Shove it up your ass windex.
    Before you post... Think, "Should I shove this up my ass?"
    Fuck yes.
    You should shove it up your ass.
    3000 posts never a compliment to anyone.
    Eat them dicks and shove those posts up your ass.
    Fuck life in general and fuck you second most.
    Fuck it all.

    I am leaving the board for a time. If I come back I hope windex disappears in that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Eat a dick windex.
    Eat many dicks.
    Brutal truth.
    Shove it up your ass windex.
    Before you post... Think, "Should I shove this up my ass?"
    Fuck yes.
    You should shove it up your ass.
    3000 posts never a compliment to anyone.
    Eat them dicks and shove those posts up your ass.
    Fuck life in general and fuck you second most.
    Fuck it all.

    I am leaving the board for a time. If I come back I hope windex disappears in that time.
    Oh wow, here is something really brutal.

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    I never said a vegan can’t grow but it’s a handicap period. Not saying someone can’t do well but that same person could do better with meat. Secondly if you travel or can’t prepare meals being vegan certainly would be difficult to get optimum nutrition compared to being unrestricted in diet choices.

    Ruthless compassion to the op it’s true you physically have not trained your body and are not ready at this point. There is so much to learn about diet and training. Don’t dispare it’s a marathon not a sprint.

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    Let's not sugar coat this too much.
    The guy literally eats a loaf of bread, block of cheese and 3 litres of milk a day, throws a couple shakes in and weighs a very low amount for his height, with absolutely no muscle base suggesting as testmonsterone said although a little harshly that he has not put in the work and wants to jump into a cycle foolishly.

    On this this I'm with Windex and didn't find his advice to be overly negative for this situation as there isn't anything positive to say about this guy jumping on a cycle at 26 in his state. It's called being too lazy or uneducated to put in the fucking work and wanting steroids to do it for you and there's no two ways about it. You can't tell me he's been working out 4 to 5 days a week and eating properly for at least a couple years. Your going to advise him to go ahead Goodluck bro hope the best?!? Hey throw some dbol in there cuz why not and you can end up like every other misguided 20 something yr old wanting to get big fast without the work: injured, fucked up hpta, bigger for a few months and then back in their xsmall Tshirts.

    It can't be sunshine and rainbows for everyone. Oh hey yeah buddy cycle looks good maybe throw some tren in there cuz why not!?! No. The diet and 100% training g protocol I don't even need to see it is incredibly bad, well help you but you need to acknowledge and listen and maybe take a few shots from a couple guys. Big deal if you can't take that you shouldn't take steroids, this is a man's game is it not?

    Sorry but my take on it, and I'm far from an expert but know what I'm going through and I've been training and working gg different nutrition diets for 12yrs and there's a line between someone that's close and trying, and someone that has clearly no idea what their doing and advising them to cycle is downright foolish.
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    I’ll weigh in and keep it succinct. It’s not so much the message, but the delivery of the message. Not “what you say” but “how you say it”. That’s the difference between offering solid constructive advice with good intentions or coming across sounding like a dick.

    Not pointing fingers at all but hopefully offering clarity on delivering an appropriate response.

    Carry on....
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    alright fucktards, lets get back on track.
    1. lets not debate vegans being at a disadvantage, they are but can still get it done.
    2. his diet does suck, however lets help him, build the young ones up old heads.
    3. windex, please lead by example, understand you have a stigma, please think about it and lighten up.

    OP- listen to us, regardless if nasty or not. Some are old, on alot of gear or just dicks, either way you can learn from all.
    You need to fix that diet, go to the diet section and let them guys help, they know their shit.
    Go to the training section, stop watching youtube clips of huge guys telling you how to get big with shortcuts and learn the old fashion blood sweat and tears way. List to what Couch said, train like you are on, change diet. Then in 12 months hit that cycle.

    Lets keep this thread on track guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    I’ll weigh in and keep it succinct. It’s not so much the message, but the delivery of the message. Not “what you say” but “how you say it”. That’s the difference between offering solid constructive advice with good intentions or coming across sounding like a dick.

    Not pointing fingers at all but hopefully offering clarity on delivering an appropriate response.

    Carry on....
    Yes! This exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman33 View Post
    alright fucktards, lets get back on track.
    1. lets not debate vegans being at a disadvantage, they are but can still get it done.
    2. his diet does suck, however lets help him, build the young ones up old heads.
    3. windex, please lead by example, understand you have a stigma, please think about it and lighten up.

    OP- listen to us, regardless if nasty or not. Some are old, on alot of gear or just dicks, either way you can learn from all.
    You need to fix that diet, go to the diet section and let them guys help, they know their shit.
    Go to the training section, stop watching youtube clips of huge guys telling you how to get big with shortcuts and learn the old fashion blood sweat and tears way. List to what Couch said, train like you are on, change diet. Then in 12 months hit that cycle.

    Lets keep this thread on track guys.
    Another great post. “Alright fucktards!” Lmao!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Eat a dick windex.
    Eat many dicks.
    Brutal truth.
    Shove it up your ass windex.
    Before you post... Think, "Should I shove this up my ass?"
    Fuck yes.
    You should shove it up your ass.
    3000 posts never a compliment to anyone.
    Eat them dicks and shove those posts up your ass.
    Fuck life in general and fuck you second most.
    Fuck it all.

    I am leaving the board for a time. If I come back I hope windex disappears in that time.
    Wow. Watch out Obs you will get a pm from him.

    I will miss you though buddy. Hope you get back on wikr at least. But take your time man and get your stuff together. Will be sending positive energy your way man.
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    When one has multiple penises, it's said to be "peni"
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