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    Man forget about EQ

    I have to vent a little here. Iím going on a road trip in a couple of days and Iím seriously considering ending my cycle now. I have another month to go on my 3 month cycle, and I feel like I look worse now than before I started. EQ has done nothing but made me uncontrollably hungry and increased my acne. A little more vascular. Thatís it.

    EQ has been the biggest let down ever. I also donít seem to respond well to steroids in general, so that may be a factor. Even on 800 mg of test for my first cycle I only put on about 5 lbs.

    I have literally destroyed myself in the gym, all my joints hurt, I fucked my shoulders up, canít even do a push-up now. All for nothing. Even though I felt better in the gym and had better pumps, I have nothing to show for my sacrifices. And I know how to lift and diet, i did it naturally for 17 years.

    Anyway, Iím now part of the ďfuck EQĒ club. Never again.
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    Your first cycle was test only and are you running test and EQ together now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pmft View Post
    Your first cycle was test only and are you running test and EQ together now?

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    Yes, now I'm running 125 mg/test e (trt), 350 mg test Prop, and 750 mg EQ.

    No wonder they discontinued use for humans, this shit is worthless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I have to vent a little here. I’m going on a road trip in a couple of days and I’m seriously considering ending my cycle now. I have another month to go on my 3 month cycle, and I feel like I look worse now than before I started. EQ has done nothing but made me uncontrollably hungry and increased my acne. A little more vascular. That’s it.

    EQ has been the biggest let down ever. I also don’t seem to respond well to steroids in general, so that may be a factor. Even on 800 mg of test for my first cycle I only put on about 5 lbs.

    I have literally destroyed myself in the gym, all my joints hurt, I fucked my shoulders up, can’t even do a push-up now. All for nothing. Even though I felt better in the gym and had better pumps, I have nothing to show for my sacrifices. And I know how to lift and diet, i did it naturally for 17 years.

    Anyway, I’m now part of the “fuck EQ” club. Never again.

    Sorry to hear that bro, I’m sure expectations were high. Not knowing you, do mind me asking your age and how many cycles you’ve run? I ask because I see you're on TRT so I’m assuming you’re a little older (like myself - 44). One thing I don’t see mentioned on here a lot is the importance of rest or off days. I too have spent time “destroying” myself in the gym and the best result I’ve seen in recent years is when I give my body time to reset. My physician also prescribed me GHRP-2 and I’ve noticed a difference in my deep sleep and my recovery times. I’ve also stated pretty true to test only cycles with the exception of the last few years when I’ve experimented with low tren dosages 3-500 range in addition to my TRT dose and have seen some solid gains. Now the sides have been a bitch, I’ll admit but I feel I’m strong enough mentally to overcome and I do notice they wax and wane. I mention this because maybe it’s an opportunity. I see so many multi compound high MG cycles being run on here that sometimes I’m baffled that guys don’t like monsters afterwards. It may be a “less is more”. Now I’ve never done EQ and with your endorsement I have no plans, lol. I did recently try Mast P in lower doses (400) and have been impressed. Not crazy gains, but leaned out and great for my libido and staying firm in the basement. The only thing that has caught my eye recently is DHB. I only mention this because maybe with ample rest and the appetite controlled (which tren does for me) it may be something to consider moving forward. And if you’ve been down that road, forgive my sermon. Regardless best of luck and safe travels on your road trip. Nothing better than a roadie!
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    Hey Sampson, thanks for your reply. I’m actually about to be 33 in June and I’m on a self imposed TRT plan. To answer your question about training - I lift every other day, usually, with 2 days of rest in a row every couple of weeks. I only have 1 other cycle under my belt, and that was test only, so your insight on other compounds is definitely appreciated.

    I’m too scared to run Tren since I suffer from (controlled) high blood pressure, and I’m prone to mood swings as it is. I’ve heard about DHB, but I honestly didn’t know anything about it till now. I just watched some videos on it, and it seems almost too good to be true. In particular I’m referring to the Seth Spartan video on YouTube. The guy says it’s like 4x as anabolic as test and barely androgenic . He also mentions that it doesn’t convert to estrogen, which is crazy if true. Have you run it or are you planning to?



    As for my OP. Forgot to mention also another side effect I feel from EQ (I believe): very lethargic during the day. Bros if I lean on something I might catch a nap. Today I’m supposed to lift but I’m so tired. When I get going, though, I feel fine.
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    Welcome to the club. EQ is basically water downed testosterone . At least for me also

    Look into running a more anabolic compound along with your test. Something like nandrolone , which should also help you feel better on your next blast.

    Good luck.

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    It is a crappy compound for me too I experienced very little with 600mg per week for 15 weeks other than more hunger which o don’t even need.

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    Iím not sure it was the EQ. If the OP only gained 5 lbs on a test cycle then the first thing we need to look at is the diet.
    The factors affecting this are :
    Diet
    Concentration of AAS
    Combination of what you are running

    First of all, EQ is not a stand-alone like deca or tren , IMO.
    Someone was close, but confused about EQ.
    EQ is a ďcleanĒ test. ( not watered down).
    EQ is usually used as a filler. It is test that does not aromatize. Especially for people that do not take an AI. You would have 600 test and 400 EQ and essentially you are taking 1g of test but without all of the aromatization. EQ and Primo are similar in the respect of being a filler and not a deca.
    There is a place for it, just not as a stand-alone.
    It is sort of like PiAna saying that primo is for girls. First off, if it didnít make him huge, he didnít like it. Secondly, he took it by itself... not even a test base and wondered why anyone would use it. This was about EQ so I will not go into the primo.


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    Well you can rule out being fake. EQ costs less than the shipping to send it to you so I can't imagine a lab ever intentionally faking EQ.

    Could be diet or wrong expectations. Could also be not right for your body. Lots of variables.

    I don't like EQ but for different reasons. I would just stick to TRT dose of Test on next cycle and let a different compound do the heavy lifting like deca . You will also have a better gauge of how you respond to the compound when you don't start each cycle with >500mg of Test

    125mg Test + 500mg Deca for example
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Hey Sampson, thanks for your reply. I’m actually about to be 33 in June and I’m on a self imposed TRT plan. To answer your question about training - I lift every other day, usually, with 2 days of rest in a row every couple of weeks. I only have 1 other cycle under my belt, and that was test only, so your insight on other compounds is definitely appreciated.

    I’m too scared to run Tren since I suffer from (controlled) high blood pressure, and I’m prone to mood swings as it is. I’ve heard about DHB, but I honestly didn’t know anything about it till now. I just watched some videos on it, and it seems almost too good to be true. In particular I’m referring to the Seth Spartan video on YouTube. The guy says it’s like 4x as anabolic as test and barely androgenic . He also mentions that it doesn’t convert to estrogen, which is crazy if true. Have you run it or are you planning to?



    As for my OP. Forgot to mention also another side effect I feel from EQ (I believe): very lethargic during the day. Bros if I lean on something I might catch a nap. Today I’m supposed to lift but I’m so tired. When I get going, though, I feel fine.
    I hear you on Tren, I was scared to run it too and when I did I decided to go with the Enth so I was locked in (didn’t want to pin daily). Probably a smart move on tren considering the BP issues, mine was elevated big time and actually started a beta blocker to help.

    I haven’t tried DHB but like you I’m super intrigued and sounds to good to be true. Going to do some research. May want to consider running another test cycle or two but saw that even at 800 you weren’t that impressed. That’s a little puzzling. I’ve never exceeded 600 and have seen my best growth at 500 while minimizing sides (mostly bloat and ED).

    Well fingers crossed, could try low dose tren at 200 while monitoring BP and titrating if it goes smoothly. Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Well you can rule out being fake. EQ costs less than the shipping to send it to you so I can't imagine a lab ever intentionally faking EQ.

    Could be diet or wrong expectations. Could also be not right for your body. Lots of variables.

    I don't like EQ but for different reasons. I would just stick to TRT dose of Test on next cycle and let a different compound do the heavy lifting like deca . You will also have a better gauge of how you respond to the compound when you don't start each cycle with >500mg of Test

    125mg Test + 500mg Deca for example


    Great call too

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    Man forget about EQ

    Am I mistaken but isnít DHB basically a short ester version of EQ? Like comparing test P to test E basically no?


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    Quote Originally Posted by balance View Post
    Am I mistaken but isn’t DHB basically a short ester version of EQ? Like comparing test P to test E basically no?


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    Not quite. That's like saying superdrol is just a pill version of Masteron . Even a small change at the molecular level can drastically change the effects of a AAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balance View Post
    Am I mistaken but isnít DHB basically a short ester version of EQ? Like comparing test P to test E basically no?


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    Check out Wickr- I sent 3 pages on DHB


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Check out Wickr- I sent 3 pages on DHB


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    Not trying to hijack your thread and forgive my lack of tech savviness, but what is Wickr and how would I find that 3 pager Charger? Wanting DHB to potentially be in my next run. Hard to find it in my UGL’s and not sure how to best dose it so would be incredibly interested In the read.

    Sorry again for the hijack Test Monsterone

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Not trying to hijack your thread and forgive my lack of tech savviness, but what is Wickr and how would I find that 3 pager Charger? Wanting DHB to potentially be in my next run. Hard to find it in my UGL’s and not sure how to best dose it so would be incredibly interested In the read.

    Sorry again for the hijack Test Monsterone
    You know how the Masons run world governments? There is a Wicker group just like that here; the hands behind the hands.

    On there was posted 3 pages from a recent book on steroids explaining DHB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Duffer View Post
    You know how the Masons run world governments? There is a Wicker group just like that here; the hands behind the hands.

    On there was posted 3 pages from a recent book on steroids explaining DHB

    Well I guess I need someone to teach me the secret handshake

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    I think the last one is the second page again because of the crease.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post


    I think the last one is the second page again because of the crease.


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    Greatly appreciated Charger!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Well you can rule out being fake. EQ costs less than the shipping to send it to you so I can't imagine a lab ever intentionally faking EQ.

    Could be diet or wrong expectations. Could also be not right for your body. Lots of variables.

    I don't like EQ but for different reasons. I would just stick to TRT dose of Test on next cycle and let a different compound do the heavy lifting like deca . You will also have a better gauge of how you respond to the compound when you don't start each cycle with >500mg of Test

    125mg Test + 500mg Deca for example
    What are the reasons you don’t like EQ windex?

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    When should I drop the AI?

    So today was supposed to be my next injection and i decided not to take it. No point complicating my life if I have no gains to show for it, and I’m feeling extremely tired throughout the day. I know EQ will stay in my system for some time, so I’m not sure how to dose the Arimidex at this point and for how long. I was taking .25 EOD. Any suggestions?

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    The AI May be your problem. You probably crashed your E2.
    EQ does not aromatize. The amount of test was minimal that you shouldnít have needed an AI.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    The AI May be your problem. You probably crashed your E2.
    EQ does not aromatize. The amount of test was minimal that you shouldnít have needed an AI.


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    Interesting. Everywhere I read that EQ aromatizes at half the rate of testosterone , but that when combined with test, it has the potential to aromatize further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Interesting. Everywhere I read that EQ aromatizes at half the rate of testosterone, but that when combined with test, it has the potential to aromatize further.
    EQ actually has an anti E affect through an enzymatic process. The longer you run it the more it builds up and Lowers your E. Gear head explains it much more detail of course but that’s the gist of it
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    EQ is one of the oldest steroids on the planet ,, yet 99% of guys have no clue how to run it or what its actually put into a cycle for.

    spend more time reading veterinary medicine and EQ uses in that field , then the silly online steriod profiles for EQ.. 100% pure vet grade EQ is something I'd be happy to have in my hands.
    ugh the steroid world is upside down right now.. largely because of UGL's selling shit from china and labeling it anything they want on the vial.
    EQ is the shit if you get the real shit.. and you know how to use it in your cycle. but its by no means a stand alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Interesting. Everywhere I read that EQ aromatizes at half the rate of testosterone , but that when combined with test, it has the potential to aromatize further.
    My uneducated brain would say you’ve crashed your e2 with the ai and that’s the problem. You know what they say.Only way to be sure is bloodwork!

    My thought process regarding eq was like yours untill GH unloaded some knowledge. This response from GH should be a EQ sticky!



    one thing thats often rarely touched upon in the AAS use world is ENZYMES and enzymatic processes. though it plays a huge role.
    example, DHT is a metabolite of testosterone and is a very powerful androgen . so powerful of a androgen its what makes a man into a man (and a fetus from female to male) . Yet DHT being so so very powerful , has zero anabolic properties in muscle tissue. why not ? because of an ENZYME , known for short as 3HSD. this enzyme binds and renders DHT useless in muscle tissue .. Enzymes are very powerful stuff.

    EQ has anti estrogenic properties through its ability to upregulate/promote anti estrogen ENZYMES and enzyme processes in the body.

    this is the type of stuff your NOT going to find on most your silly online steroid profiles. these profiles are largely outdated and way too generic.
    funny thing is , the "anabolic doc" gets most of his information on steroids from these same online profiles the newbs use (its because he is not a steroid expert, he is just a marketer with a product to sell .. he only needs a very surface knowledge of steroids to sell his main product).

    anyhow back to EQ . the longer you take EQ the more these anti estrogenic enzymes build up, and the more anti estrogenic your EQ becomes.

    also, be aware what "converts to estrogen" or "aromatization" even means . just because some drug has some aromatization does NOT mean its going to increase your estrogen levels one bit . in fact, just the opposite (depending on the context) , your total estrogen can go down.

    if EQ converts to estrogen at an 80% lower rate then Testosterone does, and you decided to use EQ for your TRT (instead of test), then guess what ,, your total estrogen serum levels are going to go down.
    if 500mg of test puts your estrogen at say 60 . then 500mg of EQ may put down as low as say 20 .. then when you add that anti estrogen enzyme factor in over time, it may go down even more.

    again, a compound that aromatizes does not mean its going to increase your estrogen levels or cause estrogen sides.

    people will say that Deca is estrogenic and you need to run an AI with it (utter bs). but Deca is a drug thats been studied in medicine (unlike some AAS), and you can find studies where patients are given 300mg of Deca per week , and yet universally across the board every person in the studies estrogen levels go DOWN not up (even though yes on paper deca aromatizes into estrogen just a wee little bit).

    aromatization does not necessarily = more estrogen . when taking something like deca or EQ, even though it supposedly aromatizes, you may actually need to add extra estrogen into you stack just to keep from it going too low (note: you accomplish this by taking test.. thats what test is for, to increase your estrogen levels).

    so again , yes EQ aromatizes into estrogen to a small degree. BUT so what, if you take EQ your total estrogen levels are likely going to go down unless you add something else in the mix to bring estrogen levels up

    theres a big picture way a lot of this stuff all works , think often times thats hard for guys to grasp. hope this post is of some help here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlearnie View Post
    My uneducated brain would say youíve crashed your e2 with the ai and thatís the problem. You know what they say.Only way to be sure is bloodwork!

    My thought process regarding eq was like yours untill GH unloaded some knowledge. This response should be a EQ sticky!



    one thing thats often rarely touched upon in the AAS use world is ENZYMES and enzymatic processes. though it plays a huge role.
    example, DHT is a metabolite of testosterone and is a very powerful androgen . so powerful of a androgen its what makes a man into a man (and a fetus from female to male) . Yet DHT being so so very powerful , has zero anabolic properties in muscle tissue. why not ? because of an ENZYME , known for short as 3HSD. this enzyme binds and renders DHT useless in muscle tissue .. Enzymes are very powerful stuff.

    EQ has anti estrogenic properties through its ability to upregulate/promote anti estrogen ENZYMES and enzyme processes in the body.

    this is the type of stuff your NOT going to find on most your silly online steroid profiles. these profiles are largely outdated and way too generic.
    funny thing is , the "anabolic doc" gets most of his information on steroids from these same online profiles the newbs use (its because he is not a steroid expert, he is just a marketer with a product to sell .. he only needs a very surface knowledge of steroids to sell his main product).

    anyhow back to EQ . the longer you take EQ the more these anti estrogenic enzymes build up, and the more anti estrogenic your EQ becomes.

    also, be aware what "converts to estrogen" or "aromatization" even means . just because some drug has some aromatization does NOT mean its going to increase your estrogen levels one bit . in fact, just the opposite (depending on the context) , your total estrogen can go down.

    if EQ converts to estrogen at an 80% lower rate then Testosterone does, and you decided to use EQ for your TRT (instead of test), then guess what ,, your total estrogen serum levels are going to go down.
    if 500mg of test puts your estrogen at say 60 . then 500mg of EQ may put down as low as say 20 .. then when you add that anti estrogen enzyme factor in over time, it may go down even more.

    again, a compound that aromatizes does not mean its going to increase your estrogen levels or cause estrogen sides.

    people will say that Deca is estrogenic and you need to run an AI with it (utter bs). but Deca is a drug thats been studied in medicine (unlike some AAS), and you can find studies where patients are given 300mg of Deca per week , and yet universally across the board every person in the studies estrogen levels go DOWN not up (even though yes on paper deca aromatizes into estrogen just a wee little bit).

    aromatization does not necessarily = more estrogen . when taking something like deca or EQ, even though it supposedly aromatizes, you may actually need to add extra estrogen into you stack just to keep from it going too low (note: you accomplish this by taking test.. thats what test is for, to increase your estrogen levels).

    so again , yes EQ aromatizes into estrogen to a small degree. BUT so what, if you take EQ your total estrogen levels are likely going to go down unless you add something else in the mix to bring estrogen levels up

    theres a big picture way a lot of this stuff all works , think often times thats hard for guys to grasp. hope this post is of some help here
    Great and thorough explanation. Are you related to GH? LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    EQ is one of the oldest steroids on the planet ,, yet 99% of guys have no clue how to run it or what its actually put into a cycle for.

    spend more time reading veterinary medicine and EQ uses in that field , then the silly online steriod profiles for EQ..
    so just going to explain myself a little further here.
    This is how EQ is used in the veterinary field (no its not specially designed for race horses lol)..your a rancher with cattle. one of your cows has gotten sick and is not eating well and has lost weight. you've probably already given the cow antibiotics and medicine, but you need to restore its health and size and increase its feed efficiency. So your going to inject it with EQ twice per week for only 2 weeks (mg dose based on KG),, a 600 pound cow is probably only getting about 200mg of EQ .. the whole purpose of the EQ here is to promote PROTEIN SYNTHESIS, nitrogen retention and blood volume, which in turn will promote feed efficiency (ie, the food you eat will be better put to use towards muscle building or muscle preservation).
    the EQ is going to help the sick cow preserve muscle and mass and increase its appetite and make better use of the food it is eating.

    thats all the EQ is doing.. its really just telling receptors to upregulate protein synthesis and preserve muscle.

    OK.. but EQ is a super long ester, should't the rancher be giving the cow EQ for like a "16 week cycle" , lol .. no . a lot of you guys have this concept ass backwards. BECAUSE it IS a long ester the rancher only needs to give it for about 2 weeks. blood serum levels will elevate from those injections and then the drug will continue to keep working for weeks after you stop injecting . Thats why the rancher is using EQ , because its a long ester and he only needs to do a few injections for the drug to work for weeks on end.
    its just the opposite of the way a lot of you guys think..
    lets say the rancher didn't have access to EQ and only had Winny-v on hand (thats veterinary Winstrol ). the winny is a super short ester. the rancher is going to have to inject that cow every other day for weeks on end until the cows size comes back. because the winny is a short ester the rancher has to keep injecting the cow over a longer period of time. He would have to inject the winny for like 5 weeks straight. whereas with the EQ he only needs to do a couple of injections for a week or 2 and the cow is good for like 5 weeks.

    see how opposite this is compared to what you read online about long esters have to be ran for a long time and short esters can be ran for short periods .. in the medical and veterinary world its just the opposite .
    anyhow thats just a "bonus point" I'm making here.

    back to EQ and its use for us based on above info. . EQ is not a stand alone AAS for bodybuilding. its a supplementary compound you plug in for certain situations. also EQ, if its the real deal, should have zero side effects (as its neither androgenic or estrogenic AND it does not convert to DHT ... those 3 things are what cause side effects that can be "felt" ).. there are zero side effects associated with a pure anabolic thats sole purpose is to bind to receptors and upregulate protein synthesis. you cannot "feel" protein synthesis. its something that happens in the background slowly over time .. This is what EQ does. this is why guys think EQ is weak, because they can't "feel" anything happening (but thats how EQ is supposed to work). thats why EQ really should not be a stand alone compound for any cycle , other then being on a cruise (eq is perfect for off cycle cruise phase). EQ is only promoting one aspect of muscle building.. you need other compounds added in to promote various other mechanisms of muscle building while on cycle.

    real world example--
    I've not ran EQ for about a year or so. BUT I'm running it right now. why? well similar to above with the sick cow example. I've been "sick" and out of the gym for 6+ weeks and been barely eating. I lost 25 pounds of muscle.. I'm shrinking fast.. but I'm doing better now and getting back in the gym and back to eating. I jumped on 500mg of EQ. I simply need to upregulate protein synthesis and increase my feed/eating efficiency. and thats what EQ does. this is going to stop the muscle loss and help me regain it.
    now for bodybuilding and human use, EQ is not the best stand alone as I said.. thats because its not near estrogenic enough and its not androgenic at all (we men need estrogen and androgens to function). So for the androgenic effect I'm looking for I simply added a very low dose of Tren (which is 5x more androgenic then test). This androgen effect is also going to help me load up muscle glycogen (as I'm super depleted). This will help me build muscle in another way besides the protein synthesis that the EQ is providing. now the third thing I'm going to need is some estrogen (can't function without it, plus its anabolic when androgens are high enough). I want something that I can take a very low dose yet get a very potent amount of estrogen.. this would be Dbol . which converts to a very bioavailable form of estrogen. just 20mg per day and I have plenty of potent estrogen to do its job.
    so I've got the anabolic (EQ), the androgen (Tren) and the estrogen I need (Dbol).. see how I'm purposefully utilizing the EQ for one direct job. its a tool for one thing only here.. I'm not running an "EQ cycle" and expecting it to do everything. EQ is something you plug in when and where needed for certain purposes.
    thats my opinion . hope someone finds it to be useful.

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    i feel so much smarter reading gearheads responses on everything and at the same time i feel like a dumbass.. wth is this...

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    Spend the money on high calorie stuff instead of EQ instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlesticks View Post
    Spend the money on high calorie stuff instead of EQ instead.
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    Great and thorough explanation. Are you related to GH? LOL


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    With my new ventures I wish I was!

    Does it sound like I tried to plagiarise :s, I thought I was clear I updated it just in case.. lol
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    also going to note another benefit of long esters like EQ in the veterinary world is its ability to self taper or self ramp up the dosage..
    there are some benefits in medicine to start with a low dosage and then slowly ramp the dosage up over time. well a long ester like EQ does that all on its own.

    you really don't want to take the time using a short ester and have to go inject your sick cow daily for weeks on end and then up the dosage as you go .. with EQ you just inject him a couple times and let him be. the long ester will slowly release a low dose of the drug and then over time blood serum levels will elevate and the dosage essentially gets higher and higher all by itself . then the reverse happens and it tapers itself down.


    guys look at EQ and they see the super long ester as a negative (impatient fellas that we are).. but really in the right situation that long ester can be a valuable tool. and again it will self ramp up the dosage as well as self taper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlearnie View Post
    With my new ventures I wish I was!

    Does it sound like I tried to plagiarise :s, I thought I was clear I updated it just in case.. lol
    to me it just sounds like your learning and paying attention.. to be able to reference something you learned from is a valuable tool in and of itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    to me it just sounds like your learning and paying attention.. to be able to reference something you learned from is a valuable tool in and of itself
    Better than me!! I need to write it down to remember. LOL.
    Iíll just blame age!


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    if someone only gained 5lbs trying to bulk on these drugs it obviously isn't the fault of the drugs


    EDIT misread it slightly but the general message still applies really, if you're training to the point of hurting that much you should grow assuming the food is there
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