Deciding on next cycle, Tren Deca or both

**redz** · 06-02-2019, 11:12 AM

So lm currently cruising 250mg Test e but want to go next level through the summer.

Last 2 phases

250mg Test E
120mg Deca
200mg Tren Ace
350mg Tren E
60mg Winny
50mcg T3

Then
250mg Test E
900mg Deca
75mg Dbol

So I’m looking at staying lean and getting a bit bigger.

I’m looking at something like this:

Test e 250mg
Tren e 750mg
Winny 60mg
T3 50mcg

Or
Test e 250mg
Deca 1.2g
Winny or dbol

Or the hybrid with both deca and tren. I’m not a fan of eq and like keeping test low for leaness and less sides. I’ve been going back and foward in my head between these options I want to get the stuff ASAP and I will also be implementing a new workout routine as well because I will be back in sales as opposed to a labor job.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 06-02-2019, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by redz

So lm currently cruising 250mg Test e but want to go next level through the summer.

Last 2 phases

250mg Test E
120mg Deca
200mg Tren Ace
350mg Tren E
60mg Winny
50mcg T3

Then
250mg Test E
900mg Deca
75mg Dbol

So I’m looking at staying lean and getting a bit bigger.

I’m looking at something like this:

Test e 250mg
Tren e 750mg
Winny 60mg
T3 50mcg

Or
Test e 250mg
Deca 1.2g
Winny or dbol

Or the hybrid with both deca and tren. I’m not a fan of eq and like keeping test low for leaness and less sides. I’ve been going back and foward in my head between these options I want to get the stuff ASAP and I will also be implementing a new workout routine as well because I will be back in sales as opposed to a labor job.

One of my best was tren E at 600 and test C at 250. Insomnia and sweating was legit, but fuck I looked great and stayed lean and cleanly bulked. Running lower tren now (400) with test c at 250 along with Mast P and loving it, something to consider instead of winny or Dbol. I run 100 EOD. Pinning isn’t ideal but I’m used to it now.

Hard to beat tren if you can handle it. Makes me strong, I don’t bloat and my Johnson runs smooth. Love the strength gains and vascularity but could do without some of the anxiety, sleep shit and sweats. You’re a vet though and have handled it. That would be my vote. Is running another 300 mgs of Deca going to blow out what you accomplished at 900?
Consider the Mast P too, only my anecdotal to tag on it, but it’s been kind to me

**GearHeaded** · 06-02-2019, 11:33 AM

I like deca and tren together.. you can essentially think of them as two sides to the same coin. the deca being your anabolic nandrolone and the tren being your androgenic nandrolone. the deca is going to help build new tissue, the androgenic nature of the tren is going to help fill out existing muscle tissue (stimulating glucose metabolism and glycogen loading).

unless your really trying to shred up or get contest lean,, I'd switch the T3 out with T4 instead. what happens with 50mcg of T3 is that your metabolism gets revving so fast that the Tren will not be able to keep up and load glycogen sufficiently. a huge benefit of Tren is its ability to load glycogen (thats what gives you the round full and hard look). but with too much T3 that won't happen.
all my clients that compete, I have pull their T3 out about a week or so from the show. again reason why is that you can't properly carb load with T3.

in your situation T4 is a better option imo. it will give you the metabolic support you need and nothing more and you'll still be able to fill out with the tren. if you add a low dose of Clen to this, there is a synergistic effect between Clen and T4 (in the conversion of t4 into t3 by the liver, their is an enzyme that is created in this process that is synergetic with clen and becomes anabolic).

**Windex** · 06-02-2019, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by redz

So lm currently cruising 250mg Test e but want to go next level through the summer.

Last 2 phases

250mg Test E
120mg Deca
200mg Tren Ace
350mg Tren E
60mg Winny
50mcg T3

Then
250mg Test E
900mg Deca
75mg Dbol

So I’m looking at staying lean and getting a bit bigger.

I’m looking at something like this:

Test e 250mg
Tren e 750mg
Winny 60mg
T3 50mcg

Or
Test e 250mg
Deca 1.2g
Winny or dbol

Or the hybrid with both deca and tren. I’m not a fan of eq and like keeping test low for leaness and less sides. I’ve been going back and foward in my head between these options I want to get the stuff ASAP and I will also be implementing a new workout routine as well because I will be back in sales as opposed to a labor job.

What about something like

150-200mg Test
350mg Deca
700mg Tren

I'm using Deca and Tren right now at a 1:1 ratio and loving it.

Also have you tried TTS yet? Was gonna give it a try on my next order.

**redz** · 06-02-2019, 01:25 PM

Great feedback I’m leaning towards the deca Tren combo. Unfortunately clen kicks my ass to a degree I won’t touch it. I literally get every side at low dose. Just checked the source I’m using Zentec doesn’t appear to have T4. I could likely source it somewhere else. Maybe I’ll skip the T3.

**redz** · 06-02-2019, 01:26 PM

Is TTS Test,Tren suspension? I haven’t tried that yet.

**Windex** · 06-02-2019, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Is TTS Test,Tren suspension? I haven’t tried that yet.

Yeah

50mg Test Suspension
50mg Tren Base
50mg Winny Suspension

per mL

**redz** · 06-03-2019, 08:22 AM

So this is what I’m considering:

10 weeks
Test e 250mg
Tren E 550mg
Deca 600mg
Winstrol 60mg daily last 5 weeks or first 5

Followed by 10 weeks
T400 3ml/week 1.2G

I’m on a budget right now just changed jobs so this would at least cover me for a while and I think it makes sense not to go too high with both deca and Tren together. After this I’ll be cruising for a while at 250mg Test e.

**Windex** · 06-03-2019, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by redz

So this is what I’m considering:

10 weeks
Test e 250mg
Tren E 550mg
Deca 600mg
Winstrol 60mg daily last 5 weeks or first 5

Followed by 10 weeks
T400 3ml/week 1.2G

I’m on a budget right now just changed jobs so this would at least cover me for a while and I think it makes sense not to go too high with both deca and Tren together. After this I’ll be cruising for a while at 250mg Test e.

I like the cycle. Also you are going to use Zentec right? The Tren E is 200mg/mL so I would just bump tren up to 600mg to make dosing easier at 3mL per week.

Also check your PM.

**redz** · 06-03-2019, 08:39 AM

I was going to grab 1 TNT 400 so it has 250 Test and 150 Tren . Then the rest from Tren e 200. Yes it’s zentec.

**The God Himself** · 06-03-2019, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by redz

So this is what I’m considering:

10 weeks
Test e 250mg
Tren E 550mg
Deca 600mg
Winstrol 60mg daily last 5 weeks or first 5

Followed by 10 weeks
T400 3ml/week 1.2G

I’m on a budget right now just changed jobs so this would at least cover me for a while and I think it makes sense not to go too high with both deca and Tren together. After this I’ll be cruising for a while at 250mg Test e.

Good luck to you man, this blast looks great and I won't parrot what people said here. On my last cycle I did tren, test and mast, so can't comment about deca. But I would definitely keep the winstrol for the last 5 weeks, it has always been catastrophic for me to get off tren, it felt great to be on it but once it wears off I feel like my gains are flying away (that might be psychological, I dunno). GH once said, coming off tren somehow upregulates the cortisol secretion (and also your thyroid comes back into place, since tren supresses it a bit during cycle), so last time I added winny to the end of my cycle, and voila. I am still using it at low dose during my cruise and feeling great.
Also upping your carb intake a little bit will keep you fuller during the cycle, though you most probably know this already lol. I didn't lose much hair during my tren cycle (when I use AI with tren, my hair falls A LOT) but after adding winny it started to increase a bit, still not that much to worry about.
Is there any reason behind not using masteron in this cycle? I feel much better when I run mast with 19-nors.

**redz** · 06-03-2019, 11:35 AM

Right now masteron is a luxury I can’t afford due to changing jobs but i do like masteron. I never lose any hair I’m blessed. I think I’ve got this covered now I’m not afraid of carbs either I’ve been in the best shape eating lots of carbs so won’t skimp there. Last thing I need to get changed up now is training routine.

**GearHeaded** · 06-03-2019, 11:42 AM

just a side note here in regards to using suspensions and no ester compounds - they really are not worth the hassle unless your running insulin with them. you'll get a super compensation effect with them with the insulin. but without slin I don't see a huge benefit to the suspensions (this is coming from a guy thats pinned tren suspension pre workout for quite awhile.. much better effects doing that when I'm using high amounts of slin, 20-30iu around the workout).

a lot more PIP and way higher risk of infection with suspensions.. so make it worth your time and use suspensions with slin. otherwise I would not bother and just use orals instead.

**HoldMyBeer** · 06-03-2019, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

just a side note here in regards to using suspensions and no ester compounds - they really are not worth the hassle unless your running insulin with them. you'll get a super compensation effect with them with the insulin. but without slin I don't see a huge benefit to the suspensions (this is coming from a guy thats pinned tren suspension pre workout for quite awhile.. much better effects doing that when I'm using high amounts of slin, 20-30iu around the workout).

a lot more PIP and way higher risk of infection with suspensions.. so make it worth your time and use suspensions with slin. otherwise I would not bother and just use orals instead.

And as a bonus, if you use a tren base sdrol mix, you will feel like a god and tear the first baby's head off that looks at you funny
It's a wonderful compound
Now I learn about the benefits of adding slin, I need to reincorporate it into my life.

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