Stacking var and winny

**Octaneforce** · 06-02-2019, 12:03 PM

Im going to start putting together my summer cycle soon. Id like to do a cut, with a short recomp/mini bulk phase in the first 2-3 weeks. Heres what im thinking and you can let me know if it seems all over the place.

Weeks 1-4
Var 75mg daily
Test e 500mg/week
Mast e 600mg/week

Weeks 4-8
Var 50mg daily
Winny 40mg daily
Test e 500mg/week
Mast e 500mg/week

Weeks 8-12
Test same
Mast same

Weeks 1-12
Hgh throughout cycle (usually 4iu daily)
10iu insulin before breakfast
15iu insulin preworkout with 75g carbs intra workout
50mg t3 daily

Ive been continuing to use hgh and insulin off cycle and its been great. I will probably begin the cycle with no ester compounds (i gotta see if i can find no ester mast, thatd be sweet). Is 4 weeks of winny a waste? I want the var for the fatburning and mild mass adding affects, and the winny for the “sheilding” properties if i go into a hard calorie deficit.

**GearHeaded** · 06-02-2019, 12:23 PM

yes you can absolutely run VAR and Winny together.. everyone thinks these compounds are so similar that there is no point in running together, but not true.. the Var is going to be a base anabolic that also helps up regulate CP (creatine phosphate) and will increase your performance in the gym , the Winstrol will also be a base anabolic but it will work to down regulate cortisol (the catabolic hormone that will likely be elevated once you get into a calorie deficit).

you'd get even better results adding in a low dose of tren to this stack

**Octaneforce** · 06-02-2019, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

yes you can absolutely run VAR and Winny together.. everyone thinks these compounds are so similar that there is no point in running together, but not true.. the Var is going to be a base anabolic that also helps up regulate CP (creatine phosphate) and will increase your performance in the gym , the Winstrol will also be a base anabolic but it will work to down regulate cortisol (the catabolic hormone that will likely be elevated once you get into a calorie deficit).

you'd get even better results adding in a low dose of tren to this stack

Thanks for the info, seems to align with my theories for this stack.

Im so terrified to try tren . So many horror stories with how guys respond mentally. Obviously everything can be done safely in moderation, but im just jaded. Ive seen dudes i know go off the deep end while on tren. Dont get me wrong, ive totally though about jumping on the tren train.

**GearHeaded** · 06-02-2019, 02:31 PM

here is my theory on why Tren negatively effects a lot of guys mentally , yet some guys feel great. it has to do with brain chemistry and the Androgen to estrogen ratio in the brain (the brain has estrogen and androgen receptors).

most guys run Tren trying to get that super hard jacked look.. well they come into their tren cycle wanting that dry look and they automatically think they need to run anti estrogens / AI's (even though tren does not convert to estrogen). so they are keeping their estrogen super low, yet Tren is 5x more androgenic then test (yet without the estrogen). 500mg of tren is equal to 2500mg of test, BUT if you were to run 2500mg of test you would get a strong androgen load and still at least get an equal amount of estrogen load (because of how heavily test converts to estrogen). now with Tren you ONLY get the heavy androgen load, because again it does not convert to estrogen.
what ends up happening now is your brain becomes super saturated with androgens and you have very little estrogen to off balance your brain chemistry.. this results in crazy mood swings, aggression, insomnia, crazy dreams and thoughts etc..

these effects imo are from too high of an androgen ratio in the brain. so whats the solution? when you run tren make sure to run an estrogenic compound along with it (and don't fuck with AI's with it). Tren with some Dbol added in is a good combo.

also don't be afraid to go super low dose with the tren . I've got several clients (members of this board) that I put on super low dose tren , like 20mg per day, that have had awesome results with zero tren side effects (one of these guys has had bad experience with tren and was reluctant, but when he tried the low daily dose he loved it)

thats just a theory. no scientific evidence to back this shit up

**Octaneforce** · 06-02-2019, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by GearHeaded

here is my theory on why Tren negatively effects a lot of guys mentally , yet some guys feel great. it has to do with brain chemistry and the Androgen to estrogen ratio in the brain (the brain has estrogen and androgen receptors).

most guys run Tren trying to get that super hard jacked look.. well they come into their tren cycle wanting that dry look and they automatically think they need to run anti estrogens / AI's (even though tren does not convert to estrogen). so they are keeping their estrogen super low, yet Tren is 5x more androgenic then test (yet without the estrogen). 500mg of tren is equal to 2500mg of test, BUT if you were to run 2500mg of test you would get a strong androgen load and still at least get an equal amount of estrogen load (because of how heavily test converts to estrogen). now with Tren you ONLY get the heavy androgen load, because again it does not convert to estrogen.
what ends up happening now is your brain becomes super saturated with androgens and you have very little estrogen to off balance your brain chemistry.. this results in crazy mood swings, aggression, insomnia, crazy dreams and thoughts etc..

these effects imo are from too high of an androgen ratio in the brain. so whats the solution? when you run tren make sure to run an estrogenic compound along with it (and don't fuck with AI's with it). Tren with some Dbol added in is a good combo.

also don't be afraid to go super low dose with the tren . I've got several clients (members of this board) that I put on super low dose tren , like 20mg per day, that have had awesome results with zero tren side effects (one of these guys has had bad experience with tren and was reluctant, but when he tried the low daily dose he loved it)

thats just a theory. no scientific evidence to back this shit up

So as little as 140mg/week of tren would display improvements? Thats incredible. I’ll keep the idea on the back burner. Some days this kind of stuff is all i think about lol

**GearHeaded** · 06-02-2019, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

So as little as 140mg/week of tren would display improvements? Thats incredible.

absolutely, hands down, for sure.. I've seen it over and over again

**Windex** · 06-02-2019, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

So as little as 140mg/week of tren would display improvements? Thats incredible. I’ll keep the idea on the back burner. Some days this kind of stuff is all i think about lol

I use 150mg of Tren Hex per week and it's fantastic.

If you are nervous about Tren you could get a bottle of Tren No Ester. Pin it 2-3 times per day and you'll know how you respond to Tren within the first 72 hours.

**Family_guy** · 06-02-2019, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

Im going to start putting together my summer cycle soon. Id like to do a cut, with a short recomp/mini bulk phase in the first 2-3 weeks. Heres what im thinking and you can let me know if it seems all over the place.

Weeks 1-4
Var 75mg daily
Test e 500mg/week
Mast e 600mg/week

Weeks 4-8
Var 50mg daily
Winny 40mg daily
Test e 500mg/week
Mast e 500mg/week

Weeks 8-12
Test same
Mast same

Weeks 1-12
Hgh throughout cycle (usually 4iu daily)
10iu insulin before breakfast
15iu insulin preworkout with 75g carbs intra workout
50mg t3 daily

Ive been continuing to use hgh and insulin off cycle and its been great. I will probably begin the cycle with no ester compounds (i gotta see if i can find no ester mast, thatd be sweet). Is 4 weeks of winny a waste? I want the var for the fatburning and mild mass adding affects, and the winny for the “sheilding” properties if i go into a hard calorie deficit.

Out of curiosity why do you drop the mast 100mg after the first 4 weeks?

**Octaneforce** · 06-03-2019, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Family_guy

Out of curiosity why do you drop the mast 100mg after the first 4 weeks?

Woops thats a typo. Mast would stay the same for the whole cycle

**SeñorSalvatrucho** · 07-04-2019, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

Woops thats a typo. Mast would stay the same for the whole cycle

I just started my summer blast.

Test 750/week
Anavar 60mg/daily (first 8 weeks)

Week 4-12
Test same
Var same
Mast 400mg/week

Weeks 8-12
Test same
Mast same
Winstrol ???/day

You inspired this blast. HowÂ’s it going so far?
Did you introduce Tren like GH suggested??

**Cuz** · 07-04-2019, 11:12 AM

I agree with throwing tren in the mix along with a low test base. Im on a similar stack, 300 mg mast, 150 mg tren A 150mg test e for trt, and 50mg winny im stronger than ive ever been and i know my arms are bigger than they have ever been.
Mentally it is different i will say that. Good luck with the cycle bro

**Octaneforce** · 07-05-2019, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by SeñorSalvatrucho

I just started my summer blast.

Test 750/week
Anavar 60mg/daily (first 8 weeks)

Week 4-12
Test same
Var same
Mast 400mg/week

Weeks 8-12
Test same
Mast same
Winstrol ???/day

You inspired this blast. HowÂ’s it going so far?
Did you introduce Tren like GH suggested??

I did not go for the tren . Im stressed out enough in my daily life and just dont want to risk the mental sides at the moment. Im probably moving soon so once i a settle into a new place I’ll likely jump on the tren train. The no ester tren was a great idea but i just didnt get around to grabbing it.

Anyway i did change my cycle a little. And i only started this week.

Weeks 1-14
Test 400mg/week
Mast 600mg/week
Eq 600mg/week

Weeks 3-8
Winny 50mg/day
Anavar 25mg/day

Along with hgh and slin as i posted prior. Ive had my best aesthetics while using eq so i tossed it in there. I kick started the cycle with a little test suspension this week just to fill up a little. Crazy how fast that shit works.
Im may drop the var and up the winny dose. I was looking at some progress pics from last time i used var and it RUINED my skin. My back was covered in zits. My skin is now fully recovered and im scared for that to happen again

**SeñorSalvatrucho** · 07-05-2019, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

I did not go for the tren . Im stressed out enough in my daily life and just dont want to risk the mental sides at the moment. Im probably moving soon so once i a settle into a new place I’ll likely jump on the tren train. The no ester tren was a great idea but i just didnt get around to grabbing it.

Anyway i did change my cycle a little. And i only started this week.

Weeks 1-14
Test 400mg/week
Mast 600mg/week
Eq 600mg/week

Weeks 3-8
Winny 50mg/day
Anavar 25mg/day

Along with hgh and slin as i posted prior. Ive had my best aesthetics while using eq so i tossed it in there. I kick started the cycle with a little test suspension this week just to fill up a little. Crazy how fast that shit works.
Im may drop the var and up the winny dose. I was looking at some progress pics from last time i used var and it RUINED my skin. My back was covered in zits. My skin is now fully recovered and im scared for that to happen again

Oh damn, yea I broke out last year also. It sucked ass. I’m pretty smooth now, I’m also scared of that happening, hopefully Var doesn’t have same
Effect on me lol. I was very close to throwing Tren in myself, but I have 4 children all under 6 years old, and I don’t wanna potentially snap on them. It’s already hard to keep my patience sometimes so I decided against the tren.
Would you recommend 50mg/day for someone’s first go at it?? I’m not sure what dose to run once I get there...

**Octaneforce** · 07-05-2019, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by SeñorSalvatrucho

Oh damn, yea I broke out last year also. It sucked ass. I’m pretty smooth now, I’m also scared of that happening, hopefully Var doesn’t have same
Effect on me lol. I was very close to throwing Tren in myself, but I have 4 children all under 6 years old, and I don’t wanna potentially snap on them. It’s already hard to keep my patience sometimes so I decided against the tren.
Would you recommend 50mg/day for someone’s first go at it?? I’m not sure what dose to run once I get there...

Most will say you dont need alot of var but i felt good at 75mg. Great strength gains, fullness, no bloat. I did 100mg and even 125mg a few times pwo and the pumps were crazy! 50mg isnt a bad place to start.

**SeñorSalvatrucho** · 07-06-2019, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

Most will say you dont need alot of var but i felt good at 75mg. Great strength gains, fullness, no bloat. I did 100mg and even 125mg a few times pwo and the pumps were crazy! 50mg isnt a bad place to start.

Oops my bad. I was actually talking about Winstrol , sorry I wasn’t clear in my last post. I’m not sure what dose to run it at.