GH year-round?

[IPBodybuilding]

Hey guys, I'm still fairly new to the world of cycling all these substances but from what I always heard before, taking too much growth hormone can cause issues like increased heart size, which is a concern for me. But I've read multiple threads on here that if someone is intending on competing at a professional level then GH is suggested to take year-round. Can someone please clarify a bit on this?

I know everyone is different but I hope to get a little insight on this since I'm flying blind here:
How much is a safe but effective dose to take all year?
How much does it take or how common is it that a person's heart that is on GH will increase to the point of constant heart problems?
What are the benefits of taking it year-round?
If not recommended year-round, then what would be a recommended dose for a cycle and how should I cycle it?

A little background, just in case. I took test cyp for about a year and a half as a TRT treatment then I decided to try something stronger because I want to compete. It was recommended to me that I do 11 weeks of test e (600mg a week or 300mg twice a week) then after the first 3 weeks add anavar (50mg daily) for the other 8 weeks. Then come off it all entirely, which hit me really really really hard. I was never so depressed in my life. I'm feeling better now since its been about a month since then and I just finished my PCT. I don't think the guy who's been guiding me through this is very knowledgable on this stuff so I was hoping to get some expert answers on here.

[balance]

I can’t speak on GH as I have never used it, however a lot of people run GH year round at low therapeutic dosages with great results.

The 600mg test blast with var added then coming completely off gear makes no sense at all if you were previously running trt. Why would you stop trt after the blast?Did you even keep any gains after pct?

[TooManyYears]

Honestly, I think you are way, way out of your league with this question.

So you want to be a pro bodybuilder. Nothing wrong with that, but...
You did TRT. Since you stopped, TRT was probably your idea, not your doctors. Then did a cycle, did not know how to stop properly and got hit hard.

My advice: train hard, eat right, rest well. Read the posts on this forum to learn about using gear (not GH). Learn from it, try it out for yourself (if you want to, I am not saying you should use gear, that's your decision). Learn how your body responds, what works for you and what doesn't. See where it brings you and if, after many, many years (and cycles), you still have the same dream then you might want to think about GH.

Not trying to be harsh here, just realistic.

[IPBodybuilding]

Actually it was my doctor who prescribed the TRT and he said I’d have to talk to other users I come into contact with for advice on how to run a good cycle that is above the TRT dose I was on. I’ve been bodybuilding for many years so this isn’t a new thing I’m trying out and am moving too quickly. Also, I hit a plateau for 3 years. I decided to compete after years of thinking about this and I have had a pretty good base since before my TRT

[IPBodybuilding]

I can’t speak on GH as I have never used it, however a lot of people run GH year round at low therapeutic dosages with great results.

The 600mg test blast with var added then coming completely off gear makes no sense at all if you were previously running trt. Why would you stop trt after the blast?Did you even keep any gains after pct?

I stopped the TRT after the blast because my doctor and the guy I’ve been getting my AAS advice from said that I should but again I don’t think they know enough about the stuff to give me solid advice, which is why I’m asking here. Real information I can apply

[HoldMyBeer]

You can take gh year round. You will probably develope insulin sensitivity and mess up your thyroid levels (comes w the territory). Idk what doses are recommended for long term use like that. I do know that, gh alone will not get you to a pro body building level. I would be surprised if you could even compete at a state level.

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[TooManyYears]

IPBodybuilding
I stopped the TRT after the blast because my doctor and the guy I’ve been getting my AAS advice from said that I should but again I don’t think they know enough about the stuff to give me solid advice, which is why I’m asking here. Real information I can apply

As balance said, it makes no sense to come off completely if you were running TRT and run a PCT.

There are many treads here about blasting while running TRT. Read and learn. Then create your own cycle and post it to get advice.

[IPBodybuilding]

You can take gh year round. You will probably develope insulin sensitivity and mess up your thyroid levels (comes w the territory). Idk what doses are recommended for long term use like that. I do know that, gh alone will not get you to a pro body building level. I would be surprised if you could even compete at a state level.

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I understand that it won’t. I’m just thinking about different stuff to add to my next cycle and I’ve read a lot of good things about growth hormone but I’ve also read that many who abused it have lots of heart problems but I don’t know how legit those articles were since they’re not from a site like this one. I’ll read up more on here about the thyroid levels though. Thanks

[IPBodybuilding]

As balance said, it makes no sense to come off completely if you were running TRT and run a PCT.

There are many treads here about blasting while running TRT. Read and learn. Then create your own cycle and post it to get advice.

I thought so. My doctor mostly recommended it because I have lots pain from injuries I sustained while my time in the military and it seems to have helped. I’m thinking maybe that’s why he wasn’t concerned about me coming off. My T levels were low but I don’t think that’s the main reason he suggested I try it. So I don’t think they were so low to a point that I can’t survive without TRT. I guess I should talk to him and see what he says about why it was ok for me to come off. Thanks brother

[Family_guy]

I thought so. My doctor mostly recommended it because I have lots pain from injuries I sustained while my time in the military and it seems to have helped. I’m thinking maybe that’s why he wasn’t concerned about me coming off. My T levels were low but I don’t think that’s the main reason he suggested I try it. So I don’t think they were so low to a point that I can’t survive without TRT. I guess I should talk to him and see what he says about why it was ok for me to come off. Thanks brother

Welcome to the forum. I wish I knew more about your questions regarding hardening of the heart from GH. From what I know though it will harden your left ventricle the more you take. I’m not sure if that would take high doses or not though but I would assume so

[TooManyYears]

You're welcome mate! Hopefully your doctor continues the TRT to help you with the pain.
And my respect for your efforts for the freedom of others!

[IPBodybuilding]

Welcome to the forum. I wish I knew more about your questions regarding hardening of the heart from GH. From what I know though it will harden your left ventricle the more you take. I’m not sure if that would take high doses or not though but I would assume so

Do you know how long it takes to be on the stuff before it has that effect on my heart?

[GearHeaded]

dangerous cardiac hypertrophy is not caused by HGH at medical dosages. you can safely be on it year round without worry. it would NOT be FDA approved and prescribed by doctors for the purpose of anti aging if it directly caused heart problems.

people that have had some drastic cardiac hypertrophy from both exogenous or endogenous HGH (gigantism, think Andre the Giant who died from cardiac hypertrophy who had a pituitary tumor that was causing him to release upwards of 20-30iu of HGH per day) are abusing high amounts of it. I'm not even talking normal bodybuilding dosages, 6-8iu per day. some guys are running 15-20iu per day.


running HGH at 2-4iu per day year round , with occasional blast phases during growth phases of say 8iu per day, is fairly safe in my opinion.
if you got the $ its a very safe option and highly effective.

the number one problem guys run into with long term and/or high dosage HGH use is controlling blood sugar. your going to definitely want to run Metformin and also supplement with exogenous insulin (both short acting and long acting preferred), as well as adding T4 to the protocol.
if done properly, all very safe and highly effective.

[fiddlesticks]

dangerous cardiac hypertrophy is not caused by HGH at medical dosages. you can safely be on it year round without worry. it would NOT be FDA approved and prescribed by doctors for the purpose of anti aging if it directly caused heart problems.

people that have had some drastic cardiac hypertrophy from both exogenous or endogenous HGH (gigantism, think Andre the Giant who died from cardiac hypertrophy who had a pituitary tumor that was causing him to release upwards of 20-30iu of HGH per day) are abusing high amounts of it. I'm not even talking normal bodybuilding dosages, 6-8iu per day. some guys are running 15-20iu per day.


running HGH at 2-4iu per day year round , with occasional blast phases during growth phases of say 8iu per day, is fairly safe in my opinion.
if you got the $ its a very safe option and highly effective.

the number one problem guys run into with long term and/or high dosage HGH use is controlling blood sugar. your going to definitely want to run Metformin and also supplement with exogenous insulin (both short acting and long acting preferred), as well as adding T4 to the protocol.
if done properly, all very safe and highly effective.

honestly it bugs me that people want to blame andres death purely on his body making lots of gh, this man actually would drink 100+ (yes, one hundred) beers fairly often and was 500lbs or more. can't imagine many people would live long doing that

[IPBodybuilding]

dangerous cardiac hypertrophy is not caused by HGH at medical dosages. you can safely be on it year round without worry. it would NOT be FDA approved and prescribed by doctors for the purpose of anti aging if it directly caused heart problems.

people that have had some drastic cardiac hypertrophy from both exogenous or endogenous HGH (gigantism, think Andre the Giant who died from cardiac hypertrophy who had a pituitary tumor that was causing him to release upwards of 20-30iu of HGH per day) are abusing high amounts of it. I'm not even talking normal bodybuilding dosages, 6-8iu per day. some guys are running 15-20iu per day.


running HGH at 2-4iu per day year round , with occasional blast phases during growth phases of say 8iu per day, is fairly safe in my opinion.
if you got the $ its a very safe option and highly effective.

the number one problem guys run into with long term and/or high dosage HGH use is controlling blood sugar. your going to definitely want to run Metformin and also supplement with exogenous insulin (both short acting and long acting preferred), as well as adding T4 to the protocol.
if done properly, all very safe and highly effective.

Hey GH, I’ve read a lot of your stuff and am honored by your response on this thread. Honestly, I was hoping you’d give some advice on here but I wasn’t sure if you were still on here. I have limited access to the site since I am technically a new member but I have been coming on here and researching for about 9 months now. Thank you for your direct and knowledgeable feedback that definitely answers all of my concerns

[IPBodybuilding]

honestly it bugs me that people want to blame andres death purely on his body making lots of gh, this man actually would drink 100+ (yes, one hundred) beers fairly often and was 500lbs or more. can't imagine many people would live long doing that

Yea I know there’s always more than what is reported in the media. I’m glad this site exists to straighten out some bad rumors going around

[fiddlesticks]

Yea I know there’s always more than what is reported in the media. I’m glad this site exists to straighten out some bad rumors going around

there is no doubt andre got dealt a bad hand but when you have a 2 and a 9 you don't fucking go all in. im surprised he lived as long as he did doing what he did. the funny part is that these 100 beer stories are reported all the time the dumb society just thinks nothing of it lol

[Nooomoto]

Bro...new and gh have no business being together. Take it slow and don't destroy your body for quick results. GH is for advanced users.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Bro...new and gh have no business being together. Take it slow and don't destroy your body for quick results. GH is for advanced users.

Agreed, could also look into running a GH secretagogue as well. GHRP-2 or something similar before going all out on GH year round. As mentioned, there is a financial and physical cost....

[GearHeaded]

Bro...new and gh have no business being together. Take it slow and don't destroy your body for quick results. GH is for advanced users.

advanced users only . AND soccer moms, Hollywood celebrities, and your average joes over 40 getting it prescribed to them at an anti aging clinic.

your average HGH user is by no means advanced.. DNP + insulin together is for advanced users. HGH at low dosages is virtually side effect free and tons of average people run it (your neighbor who does not even work out may be running it)

[Windex]

I feel growth hormone is for advanced use in the sense that someone new to AAS (0-3 cycles) just doesn't have the knowledge base to source real GH.

Someone new doesn't know how to source properly yet nor would be capable of recognizing fake growth hormone (generic or pharma) without the prerequisite research.

PCT, "cycling", and professional bodybuilder don't really go in the same sentence.

[GearHeaded]

I feel growth hormone is for advanced use in the sense that someone new to AAS (0-3 cycles) just doesn't have the knowledge base to source real GH.

this is very true. its taken me years and years to build my rolodex (if you young guys even know what that is) from basic UGLs, to anti aging clinics, to a pharmacist in turkey, to a veterinary supply co. in south America, to research chem co's that sell actual AAS as research chems, to my blood pressure meds I get from India.. took a lot of time and effort to build that rolodex.

but with HGH if you got the $ and as long as your over 35 years old you can get a clinic to prescribe it to you.. shit I get telemarketer calls all the time from clinics wanting to get me on HGH "therapy".

but your right if you want to source it yourself you better know what the heck your doing, or know someone or have a coach that does know what they are doing

[Ashop]

Bro...new and gh have no business being together. Take it slow and don't destroy your body for quick results. GH is for advanced users.

Another factor is age. I wouldn't consider it until 30+ yrs old for most.

[SampsonandDelilah]

this is very true. its taken me years and years to build my rolodex (if you young guys even know what that is) from basic UGLs, to anti aging clinics, to a pharmacist in turkey, to a veterinary supply co. in south America, to research chem co's that sell actual AAS as research chems, to my blood pressure meds I get from India.. took a lot of time and effort to build that rolodex.

but with HGH if you got the $ and as long as your over 35 years old you can get a clinic to prescribe it to you.. shit I get telemarketer calls all the time from clinics wanting to get me on HGH "therapy".

but your right if you want to source it yourself you better know what the heck your doing, or know someone or have a coach that does know what they are doing

Used to love my Rolodex and my “little black book”. Glory days, lol