Third cycle after a year and a half off

[grahamd1]

Alright guys need some expertise.

I’m 28, 6’1”, around 230 lbs, and feeling great. Controlled high blood pressure by Lisinopril. Diet is good and steady, I’ve been running around 300 to 500 calorie deficits each day except Saturday (my mental health cheat day) haha.

I’m finally ready to start back up and do it the right way this time. I swapped careers and have been very limited with time to focus on training but finally back in and going hard.

I’m looking to eat away at this excess fat I carry around my mid section and gain muscle mass. I was pretty happy with my results from my first cycle strength wise but did really get the size I was looking for.

My first two cycles were pushed by a gym buddy that I found out just needed money and didn’t know as much about juicing as he portrayed. I was young dumb and excited so I went along. I got lucky I didn’t mess up.

First cycle was:
Test E 250mg/week (three injections)
EQ 200mg/week (two injection)
Winstrol liquid 3cc/day (1cc three times daily)
20mg of Nolvadex liquid as a pct.

Second cycle was the same with Tren added in and Winstrol removed.

Any recommendations on what to try this go round since I’m actually doing it properly?

I was considering Test only but really don’t want to waste time on that since I started a little farther in.

Maybe
Test E 250/week
HCG 500/week
Amiridex .25mg/every other day

And add Deca in? And at what dosage?


Thanks for the help guys.

[Windex]

Alright guys need some expertise.

I’m 28, 6’1”, around 230 lbs, and feeling great. Controlled high blood pressure by Lisinopril. Diet is good and steady, I’ve been running around 300 to 500 calorie deficits each day except Saturday (my mental health cheat day) haha.

I’m finally ready to start back up and do it the right way this time. I swapped careers and have been very limited with time to focus on training but finally back in and going hard.

I’m looking to eat away at this excess fat I carry around my mid section and gain muscle mass. I was pretty happy with my results from my first cycle strength wise but did really get the size I was looking for.

My first two cycles were pushed by a gym buddy that I found out just needed money and didn’t know as much about juicing as he portrayed. I was young dumb and excited so I went along. I got lucky I didn’t mess up.

First cycle was:
Test E 250mg/week (three injections)
EQ 200mg/week (two injection)
Winstrol liquid 3cc/day (1cc three times daily)
20mg of Nolvadex liquid as a pct.

Second cycle was the same with Tren added in and Winstrol removed.

Any recommendations on what to try this go round since I’m actually doing it properly?

I was considering Test only but really don’t want to waste time on that since I started a little farther in.

Maybe
Test E 250/week
HCG 500/week
Amiridex .25mg/every other day

And add Deca in? And at what dosage?


Thanks for the help guys.

A lighter cycle run properly will produce more results than heavier cycles run willy nilly with no action plan.

Something simple like low Test + one other compound and remove the AI all together.

For PCT I would be running both Nolva and Clomid. I also would source pharma SERMs from domestic or a pharmacy overseas where its legal.

Liquid SERMs are the worst option in my opinion because they are harder to manufacture than an UGL just pressing tabs and dosing is off a lot of the time. You don't want to leave something as critical as PCT up to luck from a random research chemical website. If you can't source pharmacy grade (which you should provided you put the time in) the next best option is UGL.

I would not use Deca unless you are willingly to accept the risk of being on HRT.

[grahamd1]

A lighter cycle run properly will produce more results than heavier cycles run willy nilly with no action plan.

Something simple like low Test + one other compound and remove the AI all together.

For PCT I would be running both Nolva and Clomid. I also would source pharma SERMs from domestic or a pharmacy overseas where its legal.

Liquid SERMs are the worst option in my opinion because they are harder to manufacture than an UGL just pressing tabs and dosing is off a lot of the time. You don't want to leave something as critical as PCT up to luck from a random research chemical website. If you can't source pharmacy grade (which you should provided you put the time in) the next best option is UGL.

I would not use Deca unless you are willingly to accept the risk of being on HRT.

Thanks for the info Win. Is there any specific compound that you would recommend to go with the Test? Also would you consider the Test E 250 a good start?

[Windex]

Thanks for the info Win. Is there any specific compound that you would recommend to go with the Test? Also would you consider the Test E 250 a good start?

Masteron , Primobolan , Winstrol , and Anavar would all work. EQ is another option but I am not a fan.

[grahamd1]

Masteron, Primobolan, Winstrol, and Anavar would all work. EQ is another option but I am not a fan.

I’ve decided to go with Test E and Mast E. Trying to come up with the best dosage. Every one seems to have a different idea. How would this work:

Test E 500mg/week 1-12 weeks (Monday and Thursday)
Mast E 500mg/week 1-12 weeks (Monday and Thursday)
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

What do you think? Any changes?

[HoldMyBeer]

I’ve decided to go with Test E and Mast E. Trying to come up with the best dosage. Every one seems to have a different idea. How would this work:

Test E 500mg/week 1-12 weeks (Monday and Thursday)
Mast E 500mg/week 1-12 weeks (Monday and Thursday)
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

What do you think? Any changes?

I would do test at 600 and mast at 400, but there's nothing wrong w it, that's just my personal preference.
You don't list an AI, which is fine, just be sure to have some on hand.
Good luck

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[The God Himself]

How about this one:

Test E @ 250 mg PW 1-12
Mast E @ 400 mg PW 1-12
EQ @ 600 mg PW 1-10 (you can do 12 weeks too but I just don't like to keep my body without testosterone floating while I am waiting for PCT, EQ is a long ester and you'll have to wait longer for PCT if you do 12 weeks)

Kickstarting with an oral could be an option too.

[Windex]

If it was me I would do

200-250mg of Test
600 Masteron
30-40mg of Anavar

I don't like high test personally.

[grahamd1]

How about this one:

Test E 250 mg PW 1-12
Mast E 400 mg PW 1-12
EQ 600 mg PW 1-10 (you can do 12 weeks too but I just don't like to keep my body without testosterone floating while I am waiting for PCT, EQ is a long ester and you'll have to wait longer for PCT if you do 12 weeks)

Kickstarting with an oral could be an option too.

I think this what I’m going to go with. I liked EQ when I ran it before.

Thanks guys! I’ll post up when I get everything in and get ready to run.

[Family_guy]

I think this what I’m going to go with. I liked EQ when I ran it before.

Thanks guys! I’ll post up when I get everything in and get ready to run.

Please do make a log!! I love watching guys progress! Good luck man

[grahamd1]

Please do make a log!! I love watching guys progress! Good luck man

Thanks man! I definitely will. I think this will be a good one. I’ve always had good results.

[grahamd1]

Alright guys I received all my gear in and pinned my first week. I’m running the following:

Test E 250mg/week for 12weeks
Mast E 400mg/week for 12 weeks
EQ 600mg/week for 10

My question now is should I up any of these or would it help any? I’ve got enough to run:

Test E 500mg/week for 12
Mast E 500mg/week for 12
EQ 600mg/week for 10
I also have 1000mg of DHB that I can use.

Any pointers guys? I wouldn’t mind upping if it won’t mess me up too bad.

[Family_guy]

Alright guys I received all my gear in and pinned my first week. I’m running the following:

Test E 250mg/week for 12weeks
Mast E 400mg/week for 12 weeks
EQ 600mg/week for 10

My question now is should I up any of these or would it help any? I’ve got enough to run:

Test E 500mg/week for 12
Mast E 500mg/week for 12
EQ 600mg/week for 10
I also have 1000mg of DHB that I can use.

Any pointers guys? I wouldn’t mind upping if it won’t mess me up too bad.

I’m not sure about upping the doses. It’s so person dependent it seems. Some guys like high test some guys like very low test. One thing I would maybe reccomedn though is front loading all or some of the compounds.

So you could run double you planned dose of the Test for example for the first week or two and get your blood levels basically where they will be for the cycle instead of waiting weeks for the levels to rise.

[GearHeaded]

Alright guys I received all my gear in and pinned my first week. I’m running the following:

Test E 250mg/week for 12weeks
Mast E 400mg/week for 12 weeks
EQ 600mg/week for 10

My question now is should I up any of these or would it help any? I’ve got enough to run:

Test E 500mg/week for 12
Mast E 500mg/week for 12
EQ 600mg/week for 10
I also have 1000mg of DHB that I can use.

Any pointers guys? I wouldn’t mind upping if it won’t mess me up too bad.

well what I'm going to say is probably not politically correct or "responsible" per se . but....

the more drugs you take the more they work

sure its trendy right now to act like AAS drugs work just fine at low doses and high doses are counter productive. but, truth be told, when you understand the pharmacology of most these drugs , the higher the dose the more it works.
theres really no such thing as "demising returns" , its more about how much you can tolerate before your uncomfortable and can't handle higher dosages.

heres a simple analogy -
if you drink two shots of whisky that two shots is going to do what two shots of whisky does. period. now if you drink 4 more shots after those first 2 the next 4 shots doesn't 'magically' stop working just because you already have whisky in your system. nope you body is going to utilize all of it. ok now 6 more shots, well your just getting drunker and drunker. the whisky is still doing what whisky does. it doesn't just stop working. now you may not like the side effects that come with that, but thats a whole other story.

same with AAS . the more you use, the higher your dosages, the more the effects. I don't see the point in "sugar coating" this and acting like 'less is more'. thats just not how drugs work.


so just being blunt with your here . if you up the dosage you'll get more effects, period (both good and possibly bad)

[grahamd1]

I’m not sure about upping the doses. It’s so person dependent it seems. Some guys like high test some guys like very low test. One thing I would maybe reccomedn though is front loading all or some of the compounds.

So you could run double you planned dose of the Test for example for the first week or two and get your blood levels basically where they will be for the cycle instead of waiting weeks for the levels to rise.

I was debating on doing this but I think I’m going to just up it all consistently and see how my body reacts. I was on 500 test my first two cycles and had really good luck out of that so I’m going to run with it.

[grahamd1]

well what I'm going to say is probably not politically correct or "responsible" per se . but....

the more drugs you take the more they work

sure its trendy right now to act like AAS drugs work just fine at low doses and high doses are counter productive. but, truth be told, when you understand the pharmacology of most these drugs , the higher the dose the more it works.
theres really no such thing as "demising returns" , its more about how much you can tolerate before your uncomfortable and can't handle higher dosages.

heres a simple analogy -
if you drink two shots of whisky that two shots is going to do what two shots of whisky does. period. now if you drink 4 more shots after those first 2 the next 4 shots doesn't 'magically' stop working just because you already have whisky in your system. nope you body is going to utilize all of it. ok now 6 more shots, well your just getting drunker and drunker. the whisky is still doing what whisky does. it doesn't just stop working. now you may not like the side effects that come with that, but thats a whole other story.

same with AAS . the more you use, the higher your dosages, the more the effects. I don't see the point in "sugar coating" this and acting like 'less is more'. thats just not how drugs work.


so just being blunt with your here . if you up the dosage you'll get more effects, period (both good and possibly bad)

Man I’m glad you said this. I’ve been thinking about this the whole time I’ve been planning. I couldn’t understand why more wouldn’t be “better”. I didn’t really understand the low test dose recommendations after I had such good luck at the 500 dose. I’m going to up it and use what I have and run with it. The only one I don’t have experience with is Mast E and it’s pretty straight forward. So let’s gooooo!

[Chrisp83TRT]

Man I’m glad you said this. I’ve been thinking about this the whole time I’ve been planning. I couldn’t understand why more wouldn’t be “better”. I didn’t really understand the low test dose recommendations after I had such good luck at the 500 dose. I’m going to up it and use what I have and run with it. The only one I don’t have experience with is Mast E and it’s pretty straight forward. So let’s gooooo!

Mast is a pretty mild steroid .

500-600 + seems to be good numbers to work with.

Running 500mg and it's so damn good stuff.

If I wasn't such a little bitch I'd run more lol

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[grahamd1]

Just wanted to throw out an update if anyone is interested. Started my third week today. I’m pinning twice a week. Finally starting to feel everything. Pumps are huge, recovery is fast, soreness is minimal and strength is starting to climb. Weight is climbing but looking thinner in my mid section. I tweaked my cycle a bit and here is what I am officially running:

Test E 500mg/week 12 weeks
Mast E 500mg/week 12 weeks
EQ 500mg/week 10 weeks
DHB 100mg/week 10 weeks

Very happy so far. Holding in the 230’s still but muscle definition and size is definitely improving. I’ll be measuring again around the end of week 4.

[Family_guy]

Just wanted to throw out an update if anyone is interested. Started my third week today. I’m pinning twice a week. Finally starting to feel everything. Pumps are huge, recovery is fast, soreness is minimal and strength is starting to climb. Weight is climbing but looking thinner in my mid section. I tweaked my cycle a bit and here is what I am officially running:

Test E 500mg/week 12 weeks
Mast E 500mg/week 12 weeks
EQ 500mg/week 10 weeks
DHB 100mg/week 10 weeks

Very happy so far. Holding in the 230’s still but muscle definition and size is definitely improving. I’ll be measuring again around the end of week 4.

I’m running DHB too. My strength is through the roof!

Btw your traps are huge dude