Dbol at high body fat?(pics)

[Naturallyhard]

Is my bodyfat to high for Dbol ??
Really like the sound of Dbol and test but worried I might die from liver shutdown and convert to much estrogen I have loose skin under my chest!
Squat(405) weight 235 height 6,3
Deadlift(550)
Bench(235)

[Naturallyhard]

Bump!

[Test Monsterone]

Starve yourself for a few months and lose 20-30 lbs. before thinking about steroids . 10 lbs a month should be your goal.

[Cuz]

Im gonna say try and drop some bodyfat man you will see much better results and less side effects

[Naturallyhard]

Starve yourself for a few months and lose 20-30 lbs. before thinking about steroids. 10 lbs a month should be your goal.

I’m doing a test cycle anyways since my levels are already low I will wait to do Dbol downthe line I cut to 189 and was looked even worse remember I used to be 300 pounds so a lot is loose skin!

[Naturallyhard]

Im gonna say try and drop some bodyfat man you will see much better results and less side effects

Can I still do a test blast since my levels are one point off from hypo?

[Windex]

It has nothing to do with your baseline Test levels and being one point off hypo.

The fundamental problem is your body fat is too high. This means one of two outcomes

(1) You will get a lot of side effects from aromatization and estrogen conversion.

(2) You take an AI to stop outcome (1), so you get no side effects, but because you've crashed estrogen and your ratio of Free Test to Estrogen will be skewed. This means you will get very little out of your cycle, making it a waste of your time and money.

[Naturallyhard]

It has nothing to do with your baseline Test levels and being one point off hypo.

The fundamental problem is your body fat is too high. This means one of two outcomes

(1) You will get a lot of side effects from aromatization and estrogen conversion.

(2) You take an AI to stop outcome (1), so you get no side effects, but because you've crashed estrogen and your ratio of Free Test to Estrogen will be skewed. This means you will get very little out of your cycle, making it a waste of your time and money.

What about all those powerlifters who use test those guys are all buff and what you mean crash estrogen someone told me on another thread I’m fine just adjust ai according’ I have proviron also

[Octaneforce]

What are your goals? I think the extra skin from weight loss is throwing us off. Yea powerlifters carry some extra fat and im sure lots of them use dbol . Did you research dbol and want to use it? Or you just have some laying around and your looking for an excuse to start taking them?
Try anavar instead. Plenty of strength gains without the risk of high estro. You can also try adding in masteron to block some of the affects of estrogen. And DIM.

[Naturallyhard]

What are your goals? I think the extra skin from weight loss is throwing us off. Yea powerlifters carry some extra fat and im sure lots of them use dbol . Did you research dbol and want to use it? Or you just have some laying around and your looking for an excuse to start taking them?
Try anavar instead. Plenty of strength gains without the risk of high estro. You can also try adding in masteron to block some of the affects of estrogen. And DIM.

Absolutely extra skin, I took someone advice and they told me to cut got 189 just end up loosing the newbie gains and looking even worse i bulked up about 30 pounds and started looking significantly better! And my goals are gain weight I wrestle and don’t wanna be out weight a lot of those kids are a lot of roids and walk around at 300 pounds I walk around between 230-235 at 6,3 so I’m lean! And wanna compete in a few powerlifting meets like I said I lift big weight so have my strength goals I don’t mind having a few extra pounds of fat!

[Naturallyhard]

What are your goals? I think the extra skin from weight loss is throwing us off. Yea powerlifters carry some extra fat and im sure lots of them use dbol . Did you research dbol and want to use it? Or you just have some laying around and your looking for an excuse to start taking them?
Try anavar instead. Plenty of strength gains without the risk of high estro. You can also try adding in masteron to block some of the affects of estrogen. And DIM.

Cool can I use anavar on bulk thought it was for cutting only!

[Octaneforce]

Cool can I use anavar on bulk thought it was for cutting only!

Theres no rules! You can cut or bulk with any compound! It all comes down to diet and training. Var makes me strong as fuck. Bulk away

[Ashop]

If your trying to gain muscle mass/size you could potentially use DBOL if you do things correctly.

[Naturallyhard]

If your trying to gain muscle mass/size you could potentially use DBOL if you do things correctly.

Recommend ai dose?

[Windex]

Recommend ai dose?

There's no cookie cutter AI dose, it doesn't work like that.

When you are lower body fat you have the luxury of running higher doses and used ancillaries retroactively instead of proactively.

Your current situation you are going to be chasing side effects.

A lot of powerlifers also phase cycling to mirror their phase training protocol. Powerlifters are not running 500mg of Test lol.

There's no such thing as a cutting or bulking steroid . You can do anything with any compound. The fact that you thought anavar was for cutting only shows you have room to grow in the comprehension of steroids before cycling

[Naturallyhard]

There's no cookie cutter AI dose, it doesn't work like that.

When you are lower body fat you have the luxury of running higher doses and used ancillaries retroactively instead of proactively.

Your current situation you are going to be chasing side effects.

A lot of powerlifers also phase cycling to mirror their phase training protocol. Powerlifters are not running 500mg of Test lol.

There's no such thing as a cutting or bulking steroid. You can do anything with any compound. The fact that you thought anavar was for cutting only shows you have room to grow in the comprehension of steroids before cycling

Yah powerlifters run a gram or more!

[Naturallyhard]

Yah powerlifters run a gram or more!

Bump!

[HoldMyBeer]

Bump!

Lol you bumped an hour after the last reply?
I don't see any questions that went unanswered. Did I miss one or do you have more questions?

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[< <Samson> >]

All about where u wanna go with this

dBol hits my estrogen till I start milking - sooo, yeah


Lose some weight, possibly - over time


GL

[balance]

OP

You have received a lot of really good insightful information here from several very knowledgeable members.

You never clearly stated your goals. I understand aesthetically speaking you did not like the way you looked sub 200lbs. So I would figure you are looking to maintain current size and recomp somewhat. If this sounds like what your goals are clearly state it. Then the question ideally is what compounds would help this given your current state. If I had to guess Dbol would not be in the top 3 or so compounds to run for a recomp.

Good luck and great job on your progress thus far.


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[Naturallyhard]

OP

You have received a lot of really good insightful information here from several very knowledgeable members.

You never clearly stated your goals. I understand aesthetically speaking you did not like the way you looked sub 200lbs. So I would figure you are looking to maintain current size and recomp somewhat. If this sounds like what your goals are clearly state it. Then the question ideally is what compounds would help this given your current state. If I had to guess Dbol would not be in the top 3 or so compounds to run for a recomp.

Good luck and great job on your progress thus far.


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My goals are to gain weight would like to be around 260-85

[Ashop]

Recommend ai dose?

How much TESTOSTERONE will you be using and what is your DBOL mg amount daily?

[Windex]

My goals are to gain weight would like to be around 260-85

Start making SMART Goals (Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Timeframe).

Determine a tracking method that you will be able to hold yourself accountable too (App, Fitness tracker, journal/logbook, training partner, etc).

The goal you have is loose, generic, and removes all self responsibility. It's the equivalent of "I would like to travel."

[Naturallyhard]

How much TESTOSTERONE will you be using and what is your DBOL mg amount daily?

500 mg of test e for 10 weeks
250 mg of test prop a week kickstart first 4 weeks! Was planning on doing standard 12.5 eod! From these people’s responses i will wait to do Dbol !

[Naturallyhard]

Start making SMART Goals (Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Timeframe).

Determine a tracking method that you will be able to hold yourself accountable too (App, Fitness tracker, journal/logbook, training partner, etc).

The goal you have is loose, generic, and removes all self responsibility. It's the equivalent of "I would like to travel."

What do you mean smart choices,my goal is to not be a shredded ripped gay model! I wanna be a bulky swole powerlifter!
My routine is solid my diet is solid what am I doing wrong, like I said I’m 6,3 so I am very lean I wanna be bulky!

[Windex]

What do you mean smart choices,my goal is to not be a shredded ripped gay model! I wanna be a bulky swole powerlifter!
My routine is solid my diet is solid what am I doing wrong, like I said I’m 6,3 so I am very lean I wanna be bulky!

Google what "SMART Goals" are and maybe that will help you.

" I want to bulk to 260-285" is NOT a goal. It's a masturbation fantasy.

"I want to gain 0.8 lbs every week, and hold myself accountable by weighing myself sunday morning with progress photos.If weight loss slows, I will evaluate my nutrition. When I get to 265 lbs I will assess my body and determine if I want to go higher. That's a real goal.


Also, saying men who are ripped and lean are somehow automatically gay is about the most ignorant and childish comment imaginable.

[HoldMyBeer]

What do you mean smart choices,my goal is to not be a shredded ripped gay model! I wanna be a bulky swole powerlifter!
My routine is solid my diet is solid what am I doing wrong, like I said I’m 6,3 so I am very lean I wanna be bulky!

Post your routine and diet for the "shredded ripped gay models" to review please

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[HoldMyBeer]

Google what "SMART Goals" are and maybe that will help you.

" I want to bulk to 260-285" is NOT a goal. It's a masturbation fantasy.

"I want to gain 0.8 lbs every week, and hold myself accountable by weighing myself sunday morning with progress photos.If weight loss slows, I will evaluate my nutrition. When I get to 265 lbs I will assess my body and determine if I want to go higher. That's a real goal.


Also, saying men who are ripped and lean are somehow automatically gay is about the most ignorant and childish comment imaginable.

This^

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[Naturallyhard]

Post your routine and diet for the "shredded ripped gay models" to review please

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Legs squats 5-6 sets of 6,8 or pyramid 5,5,3,3
Hack squats 4-5 sets of 6,8
Stiff leg dead’s 3-4 sets of pyramid 15,12,8,6 or 3 sets of 3 or 6,8
Calf raises 3-4 sets of 3
Leg press 3/4 sets of 6,8
Leg extensions 3-4 sets of 6-10

Chest tri shoulders
Bench sets of 10,8,8,5,5 3,3
Lat raises 3-4 sets of 8,12
Ohp 4 sets of pryrmaid
Flys 3-4 sets 8-12
Tricep extensions 3-4 sets of 6,8
Machine press 3-4 sets of 3-5
Neck press 4 sets of 6/8
Dips 4/5 sets of 6/8
Back bi
Chin-ups 4-6 sets of 8-15
Deadlifts 3-4 sets of 6,8 or 3/3
Machine pull/ row 3-4 sets of 6,8
Bicep curls 4-6 sets of 8-10 warm up with 25 reps
Ez bar curls 3-5 sets of 6,12
Forearm dumbbell wrist curls
Shrugs 3-4 sets of 6-8
Neck press 3-5 sets of 8-10/3,5

[Naturallyhard]

Wait you said if I gain every week and weight loss slows typo??

[Couchlockd]

Here's brutal honesty.

Diet first. Then get training dialed in.

Cuzz your numbers ARE FAR FAR off from powerlifting numbers at that weight and body comp.

235 bench 405 squat 550 Dead (dead seems best lift)

Get to repping 315 on bench then start gear

[Naturallyhard]

Here's brutal honesty.

Diet first. Then get training dialed in.

Cuzz your numbers ARE FAR FAR off from powerlifting numbers at that weight and body comp.

235 bench 405 squat 550 Dead (dead seems best lift)

Get to repping 315 on bench then start gear

You are crazy if you think I’m waiting till I bench 315! What’s wrong with my diet get at least 3-500 grams of protein a day!

[Couchlockd]

You are crazy if you think I’m waiting till I bench 315! What’s wrong with my diet get at least 3-500 grams of protein a day!

I was close to 315 on one rep max at 145lbs no gear.

Don't be lazy, your 6'3 for God's sake and 240.

Put the work in, it's very unsafe for you to be messing with steroids right now

500 grams a day is a waste btw on cycle your body utilizes protien more efficiently. You don't need 500g.

[Couchlockd]

Wait, NVM.

Fuck it.

Blast the gear away all you want

Dbol would be a great choice for you as well

Good luck and God speed.

Please start a log I'd like to see this in the end

[SampsonandDelilah]

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Maybe I should’ve eaten before I left that reply...

[Naturallyhard]

Wait, NVM.

Fuck it.

Blast the gear away all you want

Dbol would be a great choice for you as well

Good luck and God speed.

Please start a log I'd like to see this in the end

Thanks brothers what ai dose should I do when adding in Dbol so I don’t aromtize, is 12.5 eod good enough?

[Windex]

Thanks brothers what ai dose should I do when adding in Dbol so I don’t aromtize, is 12.5 eod good enough?

You need 2mg of Arimidex every day, and 120mg of Dbol is a good starting dose. Don't forget to protect yourself with on cycle support like Flintstones Gummy+ and Senokot.

Would also buy a full bench press suit, 3 lifting belts, 4 knee wraps and 6 pairs of wrist wraps. You are gonna get hella swole fam need to protect them joints.

Once your jacked AF (as the kids say), buy an entire skid of Trojan Condoms from Costco. Rent a u-Haul for transporting condoms home. You will be waking up covered in vagina on cycle (since low body fat men are gay anyways as you say).

[Couchlockd]

If your using aromasin 12.5mg EOD is a god start.

Arimidex .25mg EOD is a good start.

But this may not apply to your case, as higher body fat increases aromatization.

There is no cookie cutter dose

Dose is dependent on blood work.

But that being said if I was you, and going to use dbol in an amount that will produce gains (30mg daily) on top of a cycle dose of test (250-500mg weekly)

I'd be using aromasin (milder than arimidex) at 12.5 daily while on dbol and test, once you stop the dbol and just keep test on board I'd lower the aromasin to 12.5 every other day.

[Naturallyhard]

If your using aromasin 12.5mg EOD is a god start.

Arimidex .25mg EOD is a good start.

But this may not apply to your case, as higher body fat increases aromatization.

There is no cookie cutter dose

Dose is dependent on blood work.

But that being said if I was you, and going to use dbol in an amount that will produce gains (30mg daily) on top of a cycle dose of test (250-500mg weekly)

I'd be using aromasin (milder than arimidex) at 12.5 daily while on dbol and test, once you stop the dbol and just keep test on board I'd lower the aromasin to 12.5 every other day.

Should I get my blood drawn everyweek

[Bergytron]

Lol you bumped an hour after the last reply?
I don't see any questions that went unanswered. Did I miss one or do you have more questions?

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Is that what bump means haha. Fuck man I've been trying to figure that out. Thx.