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    Question Genetic Blood pressure problem

    Hey guys

    I always have a high blood pressure on normal days and on cycle it goes up a notch. Everytime when on cycle my doctor says I need to go on BP meds, I never took any BP meds. Is my heart gonna explode one day ?

    Apparently it's from my parents (genetic?) The doctor scares the crap out of me but everytime I say f it, I know I might be sitting on a ticking time bomb but I really don't want to go on BP meds for life

    Should I or shouldn't I ?

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    BP meds is probably one of the safest meds to take and there is a reason high BP is called the silent killer.
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    I agree with Tarmyg. If your BP is always high and genetic, you really should be on the appropriate type of BP med(s). There are quite a few different types to address different underlying causes.

    On the other hand, if your off cycle BP is only mildly elevated, cardio and/or weight loss may be sufficient to bring you into range and you may only need a mild BP on cycle, if at all.
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    I'm on Lisonopril 40mg 2x a day and atenolol 25 mg/day (split in two - morning and night). You're asking whether it's worth the health of your cardiovascular system to take a pill? What's so hard about taking a pill once a day? You shit once day? You shower once a day? It's not that complicated.
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    Genetics load the gun but your lifestyle pulls the trigger.

    If genetics were the end all be all then you would have had blood pressure problems when you were 12 years old, or 16, or 18. This is obviously not the case as you don't see pre teen kids on BP meds (sans one off cases).

    Before hopping on a pill forever I would do a deep dive on your lifestyle - nutrition, sleep stress, anxiety, work environment etc.

    Better yet you could hire someone for a consultation since self reporting is extremely inaccurate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Genetics load the gun but your lifestyle pulls the trigger.

    If genetics were the end all be all then you would have had blood pressure problems when you were 12 years old, or 16, or 18. This is obviously not the case as you don't see pre teen kids on BP meds (sans one off cases).

    Before hopping on a pill forever I would do a deep dive on your lifestyle - nutrition, sleep stress, anxiety, work environment etc.

    Better yet you could hire someone for a consultation since self reporting is extremely inaccurate
    You don’t see kids on BP meds because nobody checks their blood pressure. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t kids out there with genetically high BP. I am one of them, and my mom is an endocrinologist - and I never found out until I was 19. I eat healthier than then majority of people on this planet and even with meds it’s still higher than my friends who drink nenergy drinks and eat garbage all day.

    It’s not all in our control. It’s not due to irresponsibility. Nobody wants to walk around and eat bland salads all day and tuna just to lower their BP by 5 points. I say take the BP meds if you need them, it’s not that big of a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    You don’t see kids on BP meds because nobody checks their blood pressure. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t kids out there with genetically high BP. I am one of them, and my mom is an endocrinologist - and I never found out until I was 19. I eat healthier than then majority of people on this planet and even with meds it’s still higher than my friends who drink nenergy drinks and eat garbage all day.

    It’s not all in our control. It’s not due to irresponsibility. Nobody wants to walk around and eat bland salads all day and tuna just to lower their BP by 5 points. I say take the BP meds if you need them, it’s not that big of a deal.
    Absolutely - what I am saying is before defaulting to pharmaceuticals it's better to see if there's an underlying root cause. Then from there prescribe as necessary.

    People who are deficient in Magnesium and Vitamin B have the exact same symptoms as someone with insomnia - but default get scripted benzos or anti anxiety medication before investigating other options
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    Thanks for the response guys, first time when I found about my BP issue was when I was 24/25, now I am 37 and since then everytime doc takes a blood pressure it is always high (cycle adds bit more to it but normally it is at the high end even with no cycle and at the peak of my fitness). I have seen my parents taking BP meds (whole my childhood), they struggled with BP issues badly and I feel like I am young to take BP meds, my heart should be used a bit more before giving up, I go intense in my workout but although the BP is extremely high I never had anything which could tell me that the BP is stopping me to go hard, but my doctor wants me to go now (i very much limit myself for what I use during the cycle dude to BP, ensuring that it doesn't blast on me) makes me so sad.


    Thanks for the advice guys, it really makes me feel that there is nothing wrong with taking BP meds, I have grown up seeing my parents cursing their BP whole life, I feel BP is evil and I don't want to acknowledge it (I know it's f'ed up) something I got stuck in my head in my childhood and never ever grow with my age


    It's better be safe then sorry I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    Thanks for the response guys, first time when I found about my BP issue was when I was 24/25, now I am 37 and since then everytime doc takes a blood pressure it is always high (cycle adds bit more to it but normally it is at the high end even with no cycle and at the peak of my fitness). I have seen my parents taking BP meds (whole my childhood), they struggled with BP issues badly and I feel like I am young to take BP meds, my heart should be used a bit more before giving up, I go intense in my workout but although the BP is extremely high I never had anything which could tell me that the BP is stopping me to go hard, but my doctor wants me to go now (i very much limit myself for what I use during the cycle dude to BP, ensuring that it doesn't blast on me) makes me so sad.


    Thanks for the advice guys, it really makes me feel that there is nothing wrong with taking BP meds, I have grown up seeing my parents cursing their BP whole life, I feel BP is evil and I don't want to acknowledge it (I know it's f'ed up) something I got stuck in my head in my childhood and never ever grow with my age


    It's better be safe then sorry I guess

    When I found out at 19 I was very sad as well. I had lifted weights since 14-15, but had just gotten a gym membership that year. I had the impression that I could no longer workout with weights, and my whole life I wanted to be strong and muscular. I, too, ignored the BP and continued working out without BP meds. I sometimes would take them, and then forget to take them. Right when I turned 26 I felt some weird PVCs in my chest while working out and when laying down in bed. These scared me and put me into a panic attack. I suffered from panic disorder for 6 months before deciding to go to a cardiologist because I thought my heart was messed up. I stopped working out at all during this time. I was so scared, I would get panic attacks walking up stairs, picking up boxes, talking a slow walk. I would get these PVCs nonstop. If I bent over I got them, if I twisted my body I got them. I still don't know what caused that to happen like that.

    Well, I went to the DR, and I found out a few things. First, my mitral valve is slightly prolapsed, which can cause some atrial regurgitation under a heavy workout/load. Also, my left ventricle is slightly enlarged. Overall, though, the Dr said I had one of the healthiest hearts he's ever seen (maybe he tells this to all his patients).

    The news didn't comfort me. I became obsessed with researching this mitral valve prolapse thing. I read about people dropping dead out of nowhere. I read about symptoms, etc. I became a hypochondriac. I stopped working out for 4 years. I no longer got the PVCs (except once in a blue moon). Around age 30, during spring, I decided to begin working out again. I bought a treadmill, a bench press, free weights, exercise bands, etc. I started at home because I was scared to get a panic attack/PVC at the gym. I started really slow, literally walking on the treadmill. I didn't buy everything at once, obviously. The more I found I could push myself, the more I did. Eventually, a year or so later, I bought a gym membership. I found I hadn't lost any strength or size. I was still the same me.

    The difference after that episode when I Was 26 is that I take my BP meds consistently. I split them up in twice a day to maintain steady blood levels. Now my resting BP is about 110/65. I am still very excitable, in that it will increase a lot if I'm nervous or doing anything. I think that's just how I am. I eat much better than I used to. Much more vegetables and less junk food. I do not buy any junk at my house so that I won't be tempted. The only carbs I have is whole grain bread, in the freezer.

    Anyway, I don't think you should be scared of your BP and ignore it. Look, we're all going to die one day. Just take care of your BP and do what you love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    You donít see kids on BP meds because nobody checks their blood pressure.
    A routine BP reading is part of every physical exam after age 2-3. What pediatrician/doctor did you go to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    A routine BP reading is part of every physical exam after age 2-3. What pediatrician/doctor did you go to?

    After I was born, I didn't actually go to a dr until I was like 19. I'm Eastern European, we don't go unless we're dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    After I was born, I didn't actually go to a dr until I was like 19. I'm Eastern European, we don't go unless we're dying.
    That just sounds like child abuse. I'm not talking about the ER, but just regular checkups. You didn't need a physical to go to school or play sports?
    And you say your mother is a physician? Are you sure you just didn't go because she thought she knew best and was treating your ear infections and strep throat herself?
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    Anyways, sorry to derail the thread.
    OP, just take the damn BP meds. You'll live a lot longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    BP meds is probably one of the safest meds to take and there is a reason high BP is called the silent killer.
    But BP are notorious for having a host of side effects. Some get them some don't but the sides for some can be a real problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    But BP are notorious for having a host of side effects. Some get them some don't but the sides for some can be a real problem.
    Hypertension is usually asymptomatic. By the time symptoms develop, it is usually crazy high (hypertensive emergency) and has been damaging the body for a long time. Also, the symptoms vary by person and are usually non-specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonaparte View Post
    That just sounds like child abuse. I'm not talking about the ER, but just regular checkups. You didn't need a physical to go to school or play sports?
    And you say your mother is a physician? Are you sure you just didn't go because she thought she knew best and was treating your ear infections and strep throat herself?
    No, I never got a physical. Didnít play sports. When I was sick I would just wait it out. She may have given me medicine at some point but itís hard to remember. Even now that I run my own TRT she doesnít ask me anything about it, nor does she want to know. She told me before I started that she wanted no part in it because I was still technically within the normal range. She loves me, but sheís just weird like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    But BP are notorious for having a host of side effects. Some get them some don't but the sides for some can be a real problem.
    What type of sides are you referring to? I don’t seem to get any sides, at least not that I’m aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    Hey guys

    I always have a high blood pressure on normal days and on cycle it goes up a notch. Everytime when on cycle my doctor says I need to go on BP meds, I never took any BP meds. Is my heart gonna explode one day ?

    Apparently it's from my parents (genetic?) The doctor scares the crap out of me but everytime I say f it, I know I might be sitting on a ticking time bomb but I really don't want to go on BP meds for life

    Should I or shouldn't I ?
    I thought this same thing.
    I am wound for sound. Had hypertension since I can remember the doctors saying "Its just because he is in the hospital."

    Anyway I tried remedies that helped a little, arginine, cialis, and finally I went to atenolol when it got to 180/110.

    Blood pressure medicines are common as can be.
    It aint that bad.

    Go to a doctor and get it corrected and maybe you will live longer, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dgs59 View Post
    Hey guys

    I always have a high blood pressure on normal days and on cycle it goes up a notch. Everytime when on cycle my doctor says I need to go on BP meds, I never took any BP meds. Is my heart gonna explode one day ?

    Apparently it's from my parents (genetic?) The doctor scares the crap out of me but everytime I say f it, I know I might be sitting on a ticking time bomb but I really don't want to go on BP meds for life

    Should I or shouldn't I ?
    You should take a BP med or meds if it is needed. Beta blockers were the worst for me. It took several tries before I found one that agreed with my system.

    You can read online about the different types of meds and their potential dude effects, but IMHO, the worst side effect is much better than than the damage done by long term unchecked BP.

    The potential damage from high BP is kidney damage up to possible renal failure if it is high enough and left unchecked. That's only one out of many.

    Read this and maybe it will help convince you to get on an appropriate med.


    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...e/art-20045868


    Read this to learn about types of blood pressure meds and their potential side effects.

    https://www.heart.org/en/health-topi...re-medications


    I'm on a combination alpha and beta blocker ( carvedilol) and telmisartan, an ARB. I was on candesartan, but the pharmacy couldn't keep it in stock.

    Again, the worst side effects are usually mitigated by switching to a different medicine of the type originally prescribed and the worst side effect is much better than the damage that can be done by unchecked high blood pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Kidney damage up to possible renal failure if it is high enough and left unchecked. That's only one out of many.

    Read this and maybe it will help.


    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...e/art-20045868

    He's talking about the medicine's sides, not blood pressure's sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    He's talking about the medicine's sides, not blood pressure's sides.
    I edited my post and hopefully addressed his concerns.
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