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    New cycle planning

    I want to incorporate the following compounds in my next cycle. I don't like EQ, but I have two bottles left and I need to get rid of it, so might as well use it. Haven't tried deca yet. I want to front load the cycle. Should I double the dose the first week, or the first 2 weeks? I haven't tried this yet, and I don't want to wait 6 weeks for things to kick in. Also don't want to pin every day either, hence no short esters. I don't have a time frame for the cycle, I go by how I feel. Typically I haven't gone over 2 months because I start feeling funny by 2 months.

    Test C @ 400mg/week
    Deca @ 400 mg/week
    EQ @ 300 mg/week


    Ancillaries on hand:
    Cabergoline
    Nolvadex
    Arimidex

    Ideas or suggestions on dosages, ratios, ancillary administration, etc? Thank you!

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    I would leave EQ out of the equation. Save them for another cycle.

    Kickstart with 4 weeks Dbol . If you do Test / Deca (or NPP) keep Deca / NPP at half the amount of Test (I know people will disagree...)

    You don't want to pin everyday, do you want to pin twice per week?
    In that case use Test P and NPP. Advantage: if you start to feel funny these will clear your system fast.

    Else Test C and Deca. Stop Deca 2 weeks before Test C.
    After 4 weeks (when stopping Dbol) start Mast for the remainder of your cycle.
    HCG twice a week. Keep AI and Nolva at hand.. Start PCT (standard protocol) 3 days ( Test P / NPP / Mast P) or 14 days (Test C / Deca / Mast E) after last pin,

    Dosages are entirely up to you, but I would keep it conservative and learn. Don't forget bloodwork.

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    Ok, no EQ, but then I don't know when I'd use it. Maybe I'll just add it to my current TRT protocol to cut even further before I begin my cycle. I don't want to add more mass while I still can't see my abs.

    Dbol , hmmm. I haven't tried orals yet, and I really wasn't planning on trying them because of hepatoxicity. But maybe for 4 weeks it wouldn't be so bad.

    Yes, pinning twice a week is ideal. I have tried Test Prop in my past 2 cycles but, again, that's pinning EOD. Too much imo.

    I'm not cycling, I'm just going back to TRT, but I have and use HCG consistently. Never had small balls! Thanks man!

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    I was just reading some posts on why it's a bad idea to front load a cycle. The idea is that if you begin your cycle with a front load, you are essentially desensitizing yourself to the exogenous hormones earlier than if you tapered up through regular administration. The discussion was referencing the RELATIVE change in hormones, which causes growth. It was mentioned that the body stops responding to the steroids after a while unless you up the dosage or change compounds. So, essentially, starting with front load is like cutting yourself short in the long run. I may have to think about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Ok, no EQ, but then I don't know when I'd use it. Maybe I'll just add it to my current TRT protocol to cut even further before I begin my cycle. I don't want to add more mass while I still can't see my abs.

    Dbol , hmmm. I haven't tried orals yet, and I really wasn't planning on trying them because of hepatoxicity. But maybe for 4 weeks it wouldn't be so bad.

    Yes, pinning twice a week is ideal. I have tried Test Prop in my past 2 cycles but, again, that's pinning EOD. Too much imo.

    I'm not cycling, I'm just going back to TRT, but I have and use HCG consistently. Never had small balls! Thanks man!

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    I was just reading some posts on why it's a bad idea to front load a cycle. The idea is that if you begin your cycle with a front load, you are essentially desensitizing yourself to the exogenous hormones earlier than if you tapered up through regular administration. The discussion was referencing the RELATIVE change in hormones, which causes growth. It was mentioned that the body stops responding to the steroids after a while unless you up the dosage or change compounds. So, essentially, starting with front load is like cutting yourself short in the long run. I may have to think about this.
    Unless you are really broke, you can just throw out the EQ.
    (Idk how much eq costs, let's say 40 per) think of it this way: I don't like taking EQ, would I pay 80 to not have to take it? Or do you want it just sitting around to just end up throwing it out anyways?

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    Well, if I can use it to spare my muscles during a cut, why would I throw it out?

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    Assuming 300mg/mL EQ with 10mL vials then add 100mg of EQ to your HRT for the next 60 weeks. Problem solved.

    Long esters at moderate dosages for short durations doesn't really make much cycle sense though.

    HRT Test
    100mg EQ
    600mg Deca
    25mcg T3
    50mcg T4
    (OR 50-75mcg of only T3)
    Pin MWF
    OPIONAL : 10mg Cardarine in AM + PM

    Run for 18 weeks - 750-900grams carbs, vegetables and fruit in every meal. 7-8 meals per day.

    enjoy the easiest 7-12 lbs of muscle gain.
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    Windex, I don't want to mess with my thyroid. Researching cardarine it says it "was abandoned in 2007 because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs." No thanks!

    I'll consider your suggestion for adding EQ to my TRT. I think that's a good way to use it and not have to throw it away. Any thoughts on front loading? I agree that 2 months with long esters is a waste, as were my 2 previous cycles. That's why I want to try front loading. My main concerns are staying healthy and not taking something toxic to my organs. My main questions are regarding the dosing of Deca /Test/ancillaries. I have never taken caber/dostinex or nolvadex . I kind of want to try a higher dosage of test than just TRT for my cycle. During my first cycle I didn't start seeing anything until my test was up to 800 mg/week - but that was a test only cycle.

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    Doesnít EQ cause appetite increase in some folks? If so why add to a trt dose when goal is cutting?


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    Quote Originally Posted by balance View Post
    Doesn’t EQ cause appetite increase in some folks? If so why add to a trt dose when goal is cutting?


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    Yeah, it did cause hunger at 750 mg/week for me. But at 100 mg added to TRT, it won't do much.

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    If you want to add some zing to this one, throw in (or replace the nandrolone , or EQ) with 400mg a week of DHB. It’s generally attached to cypionate esther, so you can bang it every 3.5 days, or every other day with your test.

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    Or you could go for mast instead of EQ, it almost goes great with everything.
    Dbol is also a good option, I have heard some people saying best cycle for mass is a classic test deca dbol combo.
    Also I would suggest not just overthinking much about the 3rd compound, as you will find out a way to maximize your gains in any combo you’re going for. The diet and lifestyle matter the most.
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