My love affair is over

I’ve decided to break up with Tren. It’s like that crazy ex-girlfriend that you keep coming back to because the sex is so good only to wake up the next day and wonder what the fuck you just did?!
You know the bitch is crazy but you just can’t stay away.

I love the results tren yields (4-500 is my seeet spot), but the moodiness, sweating and total lack of aerobic ability is wearing me out. I’ve tried off setting with some edibles, GW50 and supplements but to no avail. My labs look like dog shit on it too and just think I need another track.

With that being said. I’m putting tren on blast and trying some other fish in the sea...

Goal is a lean bulk (hate that expression) or slight recomp. Don’t want too much more mass because these suits need to fit but looking to round out some parts that are lagging. Diet dependent for sure.

44 years young and currently 6’3” and 255 and go between 10-12% BF. Have never needed and AI and am not gyno prone. Currently cruise on 200 mg’s a week of doc RX’d cyp.

Thoughts on this cycle...

12 week cycle

Test at 300
DHB at 500
Mast at 400
Considering trying am oral for the first time.
Var at 40 mg’s a day for 4 weeks. (Could take it or leave it).


Any insights would be appreciated. Have also thought about running Deca again (been forever) or trying NPP for the first time. Open to suggestions
L

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

I’ve decided to break up with Tren. It’s like that crazy ex-girlfriend that you keep coming back to because the sex is so good only to wake up the next day and wonder what the fuck you just did?!
You know the bitch is crazy but you just can’t stay away.

I love the results tren yields (4-500 is my seeet spot), but the moodiness, sweating and total lack of aerobic ability is wearing me out. I’ve tried off setting with some edibles, GW50 and supplements but to no avail. My labs look like dog shit on it too and just think I need another track.

With that being said. I’m putting tren on blast and trying some other fish in the sea...

Goal is a lean bulk (hate that expression) or slight recomp. Don’t want too much more mass because these suits need to fit but looking to round out some parts that are lagging. Diet dependent for sure.

44 years young and currently 6’3” and 255 and go between 10-12% BF. Have never needed and AI and am not gyno prone. Currently cruise on 200 mg’s a week of doc RX’d cyp.

Thoughts on this cycle...

12 week cycle

Test at 300
DHB at 500
Mast at 400
Considering trying am oral for the first time.
Var at 40 mg’s a day for 4 weeks. (Could take it or leave it).


Any insights would be appreciated. Have also thought about running Deca again (been forever) or trying NPP for the first time. Open to suggestions
L

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If you wanted to run Deca again you could do

Test 200
Masteron 300-350
Deca 600-900

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Originally Posted by Windex

If you wanted to run Deca again you could do

Test 200
Masteron 300-350
Deca 600-900

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That would’ve been been my other proposal..spot on.
Appreciate it Windex.
I’ll admit to having a strange fascination with DHB, although Deca treated me quite nicely the one time I ran it

Up the tren

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

I’ve decided to break up with Tren. It’s like that crazy ex-girlfriend that you keep coming back to because the sex is so good only to wake up the next day and wonder what the fuck you just did?!
You know the bitch is crazy but you just can’t stay away.

I love the results tren yields (4-500 is my seeet spot), but the moodiness, sweating and total lack of aerobic ability is wearing me out. I’ve tried off setting with some edibles, GW50 and supplements but to no avail. My labs look like dog shit on it too and just think I need another track.

With that being said. I’m putting tren on blast and trying some other fish in the sea...

Goal is a lean bulk (hate that expression) or slight recomp. Don’t want too much more mass because these suits need to fit but looking to round out some parts that are lagging. Diet dependent for sure.

44 years young and currently 6’3” and 255 and go between 10-12% BF. Have never needed and AI and am not gyno prone. Currently cruise on 200 mg’s a week of doc RX’d cyp.

Thoughts on this cycle...

12 week cycle

Test at 300
DHB at 500
Mast at 400
Considering trying am oral for the first time.
Var at 40 mg’s a day for 4 weeks. (Could take it or leave it).


Any insights would be appreciated. Have also thought about running Deca again (been forever) or trying NPP for the first time. Open to suggestions
L

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I’m very big on DHB. It’s like Tren’s cute sister without any of the baggage. Only thing I’d do different there is run the var (or dbol, or anadrol) the first 4 weeks, then run var the last 4 weeks.

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Originally Posted by Obs

Up the tren

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I gotta second Obs here!!!

I don't have the knowledge/experience as some of you guys, but I am loving my Tren (currently running my second cycle).

*Nobody likes a quitter!!!

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Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS

I gotta second Obs here!!!

I don't have the knowledge/experience as some of you guys, but I am loving my Tren (currently running my second cycle).

*Nobody likes a quitter!!!

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You’re both sick fuckers ;)

(Don’t think I haven’t thought about it)

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Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars

I’m very big on DHB. It’s like Tren’s cute sister without any of the baggage. Only thing I’d do different there is run the var (or dbol, or anadrol) the first 4 weeks, then run var the last 4 weeks.

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Bookend the oral then? 4 to start and 4 to finish?

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Bookend the oral then? 4 to start and 4 to finish?

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I would. Not a deal breaker either way.

I do have one question on DHB, if not specified is DHB tied to the cypionate ester?

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

I do have one question on DHB, if not specified is DHB tied to the cypionate ester?

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Usually. A lot of the time it’s labeled as 1-Test Cyp, which throws a lot of guys off (threw me off at first)

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You’re both sick fuckers ;)

(Don’t think I haven’t thought about it)

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I look at it like this , if you love it, don't part ways ;).

Just lower the dose where you since yeild the benefits and don't suffer the sides.

Life is short man.

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Come on Sampson... that sex is so good you need to go back. LOL


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Hey Sampson- inject daily and your sides will be lowered. Just think of it like a BJ daily.


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Hey Sampson- inject daily and your sides will be lowered. Just think of it like a BJ daily.


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Well I do like that analogy ;)


You think switching to acetate will make that big of a difference? I’ve only ever run enth.

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Well I do like that analogy ;)


You think switching to acetate will make that big of a difference? I’ve only ever run enth.

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The mor you run it the less sides become. Stay on too long and you will have a bigger problem stopping due to sides

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Originally Posted by Obs

The mor you run it the less sides become. Stay on too long and you will have a bigger problem stopping due to sides

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My average runs have been 12 weeks. I have 4 under my belt over the last 3-4 years. Average dosages have been about 500 mg’s a week. Always run it higher than my test (TRT dose). Added Mast for my last run and loved having that on board.

I sweat like a pig regularly whilst off even if it’s 65 degrees out and in all seriousness I was getting wild with the Mrs and was so out of breath after a couple minutes going hard I had to fake an orgasm just to take a break to catch my breath. I mean I was begging for air (that was this summer). I find myself so fucking winded. I tried adding 20 mg’s of GW50, added taurine and magnesium but still got winded looking at an escalator. I can get over the thermogenic part (winter run anyways for my next one) I’m already a moody fuck, so good there. I’ve slept like shit most of my life, good there. It’s the lack of aerobic activity and the appetite suppression (get the worst heartburn too, so bad).

Tren is a different animal to try and contain. Couldn’t imagine runnin high doses i get mad as fuck on 150mg a week its hard for me to handle. I just like test better, tren gives me unbelievable pumps, i cant even train bc of the pumps on tren it’s amazing stuff tho.

love a quick 4 week 5omg eod of tren A.

sides bite me at this old age but results are so there.

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Well I do like that analogy ;)


You think switching to acetate will make that big of a difference? I’ve only ever run enth.

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It doesn’t matter the esther. Injecting daily keeps your serum levels stable thus the sides are less .


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It doesn’t matter the esther. Injecting daily keeps your serum levels stable thus the sides are less .


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Roger that, makes sense.

Thanks Charger

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Come on Sampson... that sex is so good you need to go back. LOL


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The sex drive with TREN is completely ridiculous for me.

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The sex drive with TREN is completely ridiculous for me.

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No arguments there! The problem is after 5 minutes of jack hammering I need an oxygen tank! I added 400 mg’s of Mast to this summers “grand finale” tren run and it took my cravings to another dimension. Big fan of Mast now for sure

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

No arguments there! The problem is after 5 minutes of jack hammering I need an oxygen tank! I added 400 mg’s of Mast to this summers “grand finale” tren run and it took my cravings to another dimension. Big fan of Mast now for sure

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Masteron is the icing on the cake of almost (probably every) cycle.

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

My average runs have been 12 weeks. I have 4 under my belt over the last 3-4 years. Average dosages have been about 500 mg’s a week. Always run it higher than my test (TRT dose). Added Mast for my last run and loved having that on board.

I sweat like a pig regularly whilst off even if it’s 65 degrees out and in all seriousness I was getting wild with the Mrs and was so out of breath after a couple minutes going hard I had to fake an orgasm just to take a break to catch my breath. I mean I was begging for air (that was this summer). I find myself so fucking winded. I tried adding 20 mg’s of GW50, added taurine and magnesium but still got winded looking at an escalator. I can get over the thermogenic part (winter run anyways for my next one) I’m already a moody fuck, so good there. I’ve slept like shit most of my life, good there. It’s the lack of aerobic activity and the appetite suppression (get the worst heartburn too, so bad).

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Sorry I was still asleep....
By "more you run it" I meant the more times you cycle it. In my case the first two times were kinda bad. After that I stayed on and found a stasis.

I did not mean the higher the dosage the less sides. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Cuz

Tren is a different animal to try and contain. Couldn’t imagine runnin high doses i get mad as fuck on 150mg a week its hard for me to handle. I just like test better, tren gives me unbelievable pumps, i cant even train bc of the pumps on tren it’s amazing stuff tho.

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You respond well clearly!
You look huge as hell for low dose cycles especially and thats something to be proud of!

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Originally Posted by Obs

Sorry I was still asleep....
By "more you run it" I meant the more times you cycle it. In my case the first two times were kinda bad. After that I stayed on and found a stasis.

I did not mean the higher the dosage the less sides. Sorry.


You respond well clearly!
You look huge as hell for low dose cycles especially and thats something to be proud of!

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Really appreciate that bro love man. I have to watch the doses...my kidneys arent very healthy to begin with and i get alot of estrogenic sides from big time androgens like tren dbol etc...

Im kinda like your situation right now working in this insanely hot metal casting house. Average inside temp is 113 degrees with Deep South humidity BUT surprisingly i have been able to add mass this year as i have got more serious with my training. Im actually taking 750mg of test E right now the most ive taken in years and ive completely dropped my AI feel pretty good actually.

Im gathering more thoughts on another fall cycle bc i feel i can grow better when it cools off and i don’t really consider 750mg test a cycle for someone like me but more of a hold on to what i got phase.

Keep training OBS and follow your dream man

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Originally Posted by Cuz

Really appreciate that bro love man. I have to watch the doses...my kidneys arent very healthy to begin with and i get alot of estrogenic sides from big time androgens like tren dbol etc...

Im kinda like your situation right now working in this insanely hot metal casting house. Average inside temp is 113 degrees with Deep South humidity BUT surprisingly i have been able to add mass this year as i have got more serious with my training. Im actually taking 750mg of test E right now the most ive taken in years and ive completely dropped my AI feel pretty good actually.

Im gathering more thoughts on another fall cycle bc i feel i can grow better when it cools off and i don’t really consider 750mg test a cycle for someone like me but more of a hold on to what i got phase.

Keep training OBS and follow your dream man

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You too man. Stay cool out in that heat.
Its worth it to slow down and drag butt

Sup dude. Yea fuck tren man it’s too nasty I always do the same and think I can handle it then it kicks in and I’m like shit here we go again. Even at low doses. Other options I have heard trestolone is kind of similar but can’t say cuz I’ve never used it. Other options, primo is pretty kick ass and it doesn’t give u that toxic feel felt like a million bucks on 600mg of primo.

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Sup dude. Yea fuck tren man it’s too nasty I always do the same and think I can handle it then it kicks in and I’m like shit here we go again. Even at low doses. Other options I have heard trestolone is kind of similar but can’t say cuz I’ve never used it. Other options, primo is pretty kick ass and it doesn’t give u that toxic feel felt like a million bucks on 600mg of primo.

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Trestolone is better than tren on every level.
Tren is over emphasized and exaggerated in my case.
Being on tren is nothing like coming off it after two years. Never had any outbursts with high hormonal levels. Only when they plummeted did shit get serious.

Trestolone is harder hitting and a better explosive feel. Not to mention half the dosage necessary to enter a new world. Its 2-3 times the price but just the best thing I have ever used.

Little goes a long way and thats coming from someone who knows what a gram of tren feels like for many months.

Finding it legitimate is the problem.

I loved Tren low dose did it for me.But the wife had to complain about something so I tossed about 500.00 worth of gear in the trash.Not that I could train anymore because my shoulders are shot.But it was just nice knowing I had it:)

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Originally Posted by songdog

I loved Tren low dose did it for me.But the wife had to complain about something so I tossed about 500.00 worth of gear in the trash.Not that I could train anymore because my shoulders are shot.But it was just nice knowing I had it:)

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A year ago I would’ve rummaged through your trash can! I know the feeling of just knowing you have it even if ya aren’t gonna do it

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Originally Posted by songdog

I loved Tren low dose did it for me.But the wife had to complain about something so I tossed about 500.00 worth of gear in the trash.Not that I could train anymore because my shoulders are shot.But it was just nice knowing I had it:)

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Your shoulders are never trash brother.
You can do anything you want.

My brother has had a dozen shoulder operations.
The last one I know of involved bone blocks from his pelvis, an achilles tendon, and total loss of ROM beyond holding a bull rope or his pecker.

Doctor said it would hurt daily and he would come back begging him to undo it.

He ripped that joint out too riding a bull too soon.

You can come back and I worry about you.
No one just walks away without internal torment.

You are a killer, so act like it.

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A year ago I would’ve rummaged through your trash can! I know the feeling of just knowing you have it even if ya aren’t gonna do it

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I think you both are weird.
If I got it I will shoot it.

You know its bad when you are staring at an open top vial going... "It was only a few hairs floating in there..."

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Originally Posted by Obs

Your shoulders are never trash brother.
You can do anything you want.

My brother has had a dozen shoulder operations.
The last one I know of involved bone blocks from his pelvis, an achilles tendon, and total loss of ROM beyond holding a bull rope or his pecker.

Doctor said it would hurt daily and he would come back begging him to undo it.

He ripped that joint out too riding a bull too soon.

You can come back and I worry about you.
No one just walks away without internal torment.

You are a killer, so act like it.

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I’ve needed a total shoulder replacement for 4 years. Had a SLAP and a Bankart on it but can still press. Just aches like a mofo. A lot of times it’s about you’re willing to tolerate physically. My ROM is shit, but I can scratch the back of my head with a spatula so I’m good ;)

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Originally Posted by Obs

Trestolone is better than tren on every level.
Tren is over emphasized and exaggerated in my case.
Being on tren is nothing like coming off it after two years. Never had any outbursts with high hormonal levels. Only when they plummeted did shit get serious.

Trestolone is harder hitting and a better explosive
feel. Not to mention half the dosage necessary to enter a new world. Its 2-3 times the price but just the best thing I have ever used.

Little goes a long way and thats coming from someone who knows what a gram of tren feels like for many months.

Finding it legitimate is the problem.

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Does ment come with any of the fun stuff?
insomnia
sweating in the cold
killer instinct
body hair

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Originally Posted by Obs

I think you both are weird.
If I got it I will shoot it.

You know its bad when you are staring at an open top vial going... "It was only a few hairs floating in there..."

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Hahah, too funny. What the fuck do I do with two 10 ML vials of tren base? Can’t bring myself to toss them! Both are crashed and not sure how I’d incorporate them in my next cycle. Although I’m supposed to be done with Tren! ;)

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Hahah, too funny. What the fuck do I do with two 10 ML vials of tren base? Can’t bring myself to toss them! Both are crashed and not sure how I’d incorporate them in my next cycle. Although I’m supposed to be done with Tren! ;)

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Tren Base isn’t the same as doing Tren (unless you’re doing it every 6 hours). It’s like only smoking when you drink. As long as you’re not drinking all the time... you’re not a smoker.

It’s just pre workout man! Blow that shit right into the muscle to be worked and get strong.

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Tren Base isn’t the same as doing Tren (unless you’re doing it every 6 hours). It’s like only smoking when you drink. As long as you’re not drinking all the time... you’re not a smoker.

It’s just pre workout man! Blow that shit right into the muscle to be worked and get strong.

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Assuming it’s not bound to an ester so available for immediate release, right? 50 mg’s per ML is what I have in the “have it but won’t use it box”. Just do a 1/2 cc or cc right into a targeted muscle group? Daily? What 8 weeks? Shorter, longer, doesn’t matter?

To all the newbs that think they’ve “read” everything...eat some humble pie and realize there is SO much more to learn. Prime example of a 44 year old OG learning daily! Difference is I’ll actually listen to the advice. ;)

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Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars

Does ment come with any of the fun stuff?
insomnia
sweating in the cold
killer instinct
body hair

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Makes you feel horny and strong. Little acid reflux.
The rest I dont get on tren.
I could have sex for days.

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Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Assuming it’s not bound to an ester so available for immediate release, right? 50 mg’s per ML is what I have in the “have it but won’t use it box”. Just do a 1/2 cc or cc right into a targeted muscle group? Daily? What 8 weeks? Shorter, longer, doesn’t matter?

To all the newbs that think they’ve “read” everything...eat some humble pie and realize there is SO much more to learn. Prime example of a 44 year old OG learning daily! Difference is I’ll actually listen to the advice. ;)

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Yes, immediately available. I just use bases as a pre workout boost. Also there’s no real magic to inserting it into the muscle to be worked except that I get an extra pump from it being there, but it’s not necessary.

It really doesn’t matter how often. You’re not running a cycle out of it. I mean, you could if you really like sticking yourself 3-4 times a day every day for weeks on end, but you may as well buy it with the appropriate Esther attached if you’re going to run it. The immediate availability just makes it good for a boost. Like anything, it’s a good idea to take a break from it after awhile.