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    Help me for first cycle

    Age - 27 year
    Gender- male
    Height- 5’8”
    Weight- 73 kg
    Body fat - dont know ( body pic in attachment)

    I want gain lean muscle mass.
    My diet will 3500 calories in cycle.

    Protein - 250g
    Carbohydrates- 400g
    Fat - 100g

    Which steroid use for lean muscle mass ...please tell me precautions and how to use it .
    What i use in this cycle for like as liver protection, heart protection, kidneys protection, etc. Help me for first cycle-22bce90b-5a67-4875-afd7-dbf120627ada.jpg

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    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html
    Everything you need should be in there
    For liver organ protection there is NAC, TUDCA, and 5% nutrition organ defender (there's other brands too). I don't use any of them because I think its something that helps 0.01% and a waste of money. But a lot of people do. Good luck

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    Protein is too high - adjust carbs higher.

    I would focus on diet and put on another 10-15lbs before cycling to have a better base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Protein is too high - adjust carbs higher.

    I would focus on diet and put on another 10-15lbs before cycling to have a better base.
    You say protein is high
    Then tell me how much for me ?
    Please give me suggestions... not arguments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Protein is too high - adjust carbs higher.

    I would focus on diet and put on another 10-15lbs before cycling to have a better base.
    Protein- 200g
    Carbohydrates- 400g
    Fat - 100g
    Total calories- 3300
    Is it okey ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Protein- 200g
    Carbohydrates- 400g
    Fat - 100g
    Total calories- 3300
    Is it okey ?
    Man this is very basic stuff. Most people will recommend between 1-1.5 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. I personally eat 1.5 grams per pound of lbm. You have to play with the ratios to see that works best for you. You need to have a good understanding of what works with you before messing with steroids to maximize results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    You say protein is high
    Then tell me how much for me ?
    Please give me suggestions... not arguments
    I assume English is not your first language? Because, otherwise, that last sentence sounds like, "just tell me the answer and don't make me learn or put in any work."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Age - 27 year
    Gender- male
    Height- 5’8”
    Weight- 73 kg
    Body fat - dont know ( body pic in attachment)

    I want gain lean muscle mass.
    My diet will 3500 calories in cycle.

    Protein - 250g
    Carbohydrates- 400g
    Fat - 100g

    Which steroid use for lean muscle mass ...please tell me precautions and how to use it .
    What i use in this cycle for like as liver protection, heart protection, kidneys protection, etc. Click image for larger version. 

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    Keep it simple - low dose test prop.... Train hard!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyefootball4 View Post
    Keep it simple - low dose test prop.... Train hard!!!!!
    Can i use test enth or test cyp at the place of test prop ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Can i use test enth or test cyp at the place of test prop ?

    A quick google search will tell you the differences between the 3. Need to have a baseline of the easy info before expecting help. Show you’ve put some time in instead of coming here just to pick fruit

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Can i use test enth or test cyp at the place of test prop ?
    Yeah, those are fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Yeah, those are fine.
    Poor advice on this one bro (not calling you out, I agree with what you offer 99% of the time, just not on this one). Go ahead and explain the esters, onset of action, duration of cycle and PCT start times too...

    As opposed to “those are fine”. Ya, test is test, but not that simple. Not sure what’s changed around here (forgive me when I date myself) but I’ve always felt a guy should have at least a basic understanding before being doled our info. Just a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

    His basic understanding of knowledge of compounds is about as deep as his understanding of diet and the frame he has in which to start his journey. Zero effort.

    OP, no offense bud but I couldn’t tell you’ve lifted a thing. You’re not close to your natural potential (or any potential) and you’ll likely bloat up and fall back to exactly where you were before you started, except your nuts will be smaller, your hairline will be slimmer and you’ll have a few zits to add to your collection.

    You and “Naturally Hard” should be pen pals.

    Maybe read a fucking stickie at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Poor advice on this one bro (not calling you out, I agree with what you offer 99% of the time, just not on this one). Go ahead and explain the esters, onset of action, duration of cycle and PCT start times too...

    As opposed to “those are fine”. Ya, test is test, but not that simple. Not sure what’s changed around here (forgive me when I date myself) but I’ve always felt a guy should have at least a basic understanding before being doled our info. Just a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

    His basic understanding of knowledge of compounds is about as deep as his understanding of diet and the frame he has in which to start his journey. Zero effort.

    OP, no offense bud but I couldn’t tell you’ve lifted a thing. You’re not close to your natural potential (or any potential) and you’ll likely bloat up and fall back to exactly where you were before you started, except your nuts will be smaller, your hairline will be slimmer and you’ll have a few zits to add to your collection.

    You and “Naturally Hard” should be pen pals.

    Maybe read a fucking stickie at least
    Please tell me in simple language....i know English Language little bit ... it is not my first language

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Poor advice on this one bro (not calling you out, I agree with what you offer 99% of the time, just not on this one). Go ahead and explain the esters, onset of action, duration of cycle and PCT start times too...

    As opposed to “those are fine”. Ya, test is test, but not that simple. Not sure what’s changed around here (forgive me when I date myself) but I’ve always felt a guy should have at least a basic understanding before being doled our info. Just a recipe for disaster if you ask me.
    I suppose I should have elaborated, but it was a pretty specific question, and once you start telling these guys shit they don’t want to hear they quit reading anyway. Also I don’t really believe in prop or really any short esthers for newbies, and here’s why. Most newbies don’t like injections. I’d say 30% if not more are butt hurt AF when they find out they have to run a test base just to take orals. Then they’re further butt hurt when they find out you should really be injecting Cyp or Enanthate every other day or at least twice a week as opposed to once a week. Now you’re throwing prop at them. Prop costs more. I know technically it’s cheaper by the vial, but most prop is dosed at 100mg/ml and most Enanthate or Cypionate is dosed at 200-250mg/ml. So there’s that. Then realistically you should be pinning every day. No newbie likes that. They’re shaky and inexperienced with needles and now they’re stabbing themselves 3 times as much as they have to be which means they’re going to have to start rotating injection sites. And on top of that propionate has a tendency to have a bite to it. Now I know none of that means anything to us, but that’s all a bit to take in for someone who has literally never administered an injection on themselves in their life. (Now me, I wish everything came in injectable form, because I have the gag reflex of a nun). So, stick to your Cypionate or Enanthate for your first go around. Stick it in your butt (or wherever) every 3.5 days. If you’re taking HCG (and you should be, because it’s awesome) take it at the same time. Now if you were running a short Esther cycle you could get away with 8-10 weeks. I’d say 12 is a minimum for long esthers and 16 would be better.

    Then if you want to PCT off there are plenty of stickies and threads about PCT. I don’t pct off anymore so I don’t worry about it. Kind of wish I never did. Sooner or later you’re probably going to quit doing it anyway once you realize going on and off all the time is a horribly inefficient way to maintain mass and strength. But that’s a while down the road yet, so don’t concern yourself with all that right now. This first cycle is just for fun and to “dip your toes into the pond” so to speak.

    A couple tips though:

    -Unless your source is SUPER reliable, and even then, it’s a good idea to have everything you need before you start. This includes your pct, clomid, Nolvadex , and enough Nolvadex to take 10-20mg a day on cycle Incase you find yourself prone to gyno. Good idea to have some Arimidex or aromasin on hand too. You probably won’t need it, and you definitely don’t want to take it if you don’t need it, but it’s kind of like having a fire extinguisher around.

    - Get more that what you need. If the dog barks and you drop your last vial on the ground, you’re gonna be sad.

    - Be clean. Seriously. You’re injecting shit in your body. Keep all your stuff in a very sanitary area. Keep your syringes and tips in the wrappers until you’re going to use them. Use alcohol swabs to swap the tops of the vials every time you’re going to use them. Swap the injection site before and after injecting.

    - Don’t freak out about every little weird thing you feel going on in your body. Placebo is a very strong thing, and chances are the small amount of testosterone you’re injecting is not responsible for anything. Example: if you sleep funny and you wake up and your back hurts, don’t assume you must have destroyed your kidneys taking steroids . And for God’s sake leave your nipples alone...
    Last edited by i_SLAM_cougars; 08-19-2019 at 10:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I suppose I should have elaborated, but it was a pretty specific question, and once you start telling these guys shit they don’t want to hear they quit reading anyway. Also I don’t really believe in prop or really any short esthers for newbies, and here’s why. Most newbies don’t like injections. I’d say 30% if not more are butt hurt AF when they find out they have to run a test base just to take orals. Then they’re further butt hurt when they find out you should really be injecting Cyp or Enanthate every other day or at least twice a week as opposed to once a week. Now you’re throwing prop at them. Prop costs more. I know technically it’s cheaper by the vial, but most prop is dosed at 100mg/ml and most Enanthate or Cypionate is dosed at 200-250mg/ml. So there’s that. Then realistically you should be pinning every day. No newbie likes that. They’re shaky and inexperienced with needles and now they’re stabbing themselves 3 times as much as they have to be which means they’re going to have to start rotating injection sites. And on top of that propionate has a tendency to have a bite to it. Now I know none of that means anything to us, but that’s all a bit to take in for someone who has literally never administered an injection on themselves in their life. (Now me, I wish everything came in injectable form, because I have the gag reflex of a nun). So, stick to your Cypionate or Enanthate for your first go around. Stick it in your butt (or wherever) every 3.5 days. If you’re taking HCG (and you should be, because it’s awesome) take it at the same time. Now if you were running a short Esther cycle you could get away with 8-10 weeks. I’d say 12 is a minimum for long esthers and 16 would be better.

    Then if you want to PCT off there are plenty of stickies and threads about PCT. I don’t pct off anymore so I don’t worry about it. Kind of wish I never did. Sooner or later you’re probably going to quit doing it anyway once you realize going on and off all the time is a horribly inefficient way to maintain mass and strength. But that’s a while down the road yet, so don’t concern yourself with all that right now. This first cycle is just for fun and to “dip your toes into the pond” so to speak.

    A couple tips though:

    -Unless your source is SUPER reliable, and even then, it’s a good idea to have everything you need before you start. This includes your pct, clomid, Nolvadex , and enough Nolvadex to take 10-20mg a day on cycle Incase you find yourself prone to gyno. Good idea to have some Arimidex or aromasin on hand too. You probably won’t need it, and you definitely don’t want to take it if you don’t need it, but it’s kind of like having a fire extinguisher around.

    - Get more that what you need. If the dog barks and you drop your last vial on the ground, you’re gonna be sad.

    - Be clean. Seriously. You’re injecting shit in your body. Keep all your stuff in a very sanitary area. Keep your syringes and tips in the wrappers until you’re going to use them. Use alcohol swabs to swap the tops of the vials every time you’re going to use them. Swap the injection site before and after injecting.

    - Don’t freak out about every little weird thing you feel going on in your body. Placebo is a very strong thing, and chances are the small amount of testosterone you’re injecting is not responsible for anything. Example: if you sleep funny and you wake up and your back hurts, don’t assume you must have destroyed your kidneys taking steroids. And for God’s sake leave your nipples alone...

    Well done brother, well done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    I suppose I should have elaborated, but it was a pretty specific question, and once you start telling these guys shit they don’t want to hear they quit reading anyway. Also I don’t really believe in prop or really any short esthers for newbies, and here’s why. Most newbies don’t like injections. I’d say 30% if not more are butt hurt AF when they find out they have to run a test base just to take orals. Then they’re further butt hurt when they find out you should really be injecting Cyp or Enanthate every other day or at least twice a week as opposed to once a week. Now you’re throwing prop at them. Prop costs more. I know technically it’s cheaper by the vial, but most prop is dosed at 100mg/ml and most Enanthate or Cypionate is dosed at 200-250mg/ml. So there’s that. Then realistically you should be pinning every day. No newbie likes that. They’re shaky and inexperienced with needles and now they’re stabbing themselves 3 times as much as they have to be which means they’re going to have to start rotating injection sites. And on top of that propionate has a tendency to have a bite to it. Now I know none of that means anything to us, but that’s all a bit to take in for someone who has literally never administered an injection on themselves in their life. (Now me, I wish everything came in injectable form, because I have the gag reflex of a nun). So, stick to your Cypionate or Enanthate for your first go around. Stick it in your butt (or wherever) every 3.5 days. If you’re taking HCG (and you should be, because it’s awesome) take it at the same time. Now if you were running a short Esther cycle you could get away with 8-10 weeks. I’d say 12 is a minimum for long esthers and 16 would be better.

    Then if you want to PCT off there are plenty of stickies and threads about PCT. I don’t pct off anymore so I don’t worry about it. Kind of wish I never did. Sooner or later you’re probably going to quit doing it anyway once you realize going on and off all the time is a horribly inefficient way to maintain mass and strength. But that’s a while down the road yet, so don’t concern yourself with all that right now. This first cycle is just for fun and to “dip your toes into the pond” so to speak.

    A couple tips though:

    -Unless your source is SUPER reliable, and even then, it’s a good idea to have everything you need before you start. This includes your pct, clomid, Nolvadex , and enough Nolvadex to take 10-20mg a day on cycle Incase you find yourself prone to gyno. Good idea to have some Arimidex or aromasin on hand too. You probably won’t need it, and you definitely don’t want to take it if you don’t need it, but it’s kind of like having a fire extinguisher around.

    - Get more that what you need. If the dog barks and you drop your last vial on the ground, you’re gonna be sad.

    - Be clean. Seriously. You’re injecting shit in your body. Keep all your stuff in a very sanitary area. Keep your syringes and tips in the wrappers until you’re going to use them. Use alcohol swabs to swap the tops of the vials every time you’re going to use them. Swap the injection site before and after injecting.

    - Don’t freak out about every little weird thing you feel going on in your body. Placebo is a very strong thing, and chances are the small amount of testosterone you’re injecting is not responsible for anything. Example: if you sleep funny and you wake up and your back hurts, don’t assume you must have destroyed your kidneys taking steroids. And for God’s sake leave your nipples alone...
    Thanks dear
    I will follow you .. i feel better because you explain deeply ..english is not not my first language but your explanations fit in my mind. I don’t worry about injections. If injection, inject every day then i have no problem but it will safe. If test prop is good for me then i use it. But i dont know how to use test prop ...i know test enth and test cyp

    Test Enth 1-12 week 500mg/week (250mg after 3.5 days)
    Hcg - 500iu per week (250iu after 3.5 days)
    If feel gyno then use arimidex

    Start pct after 14 days from last injection of test
    Is it okey ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah View Post
    Poor advice on this one bro (not calling you out, I agree with what you offer 99% of the time, just not on this one). Go ahead and explain the esters, onset of action, duration of cycle and PCT start times too...

    As opposed to “those are fine”. Ya, test is test, but not that simple. Not sure what’s changed around here (forgive me when I date myself) but I’ve always felt a guy should have at least a basic understanding before being doled our info. Just a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

    His basic understanding of knowledge of compounds is about as deep as his understanding of diet and the frame he has in which to start his journey. Zero effort.

    OP, no offense bud but I couldn’t tell you’ve lifted a thing. You’re not close to your natural potential (or any potential) and you’ll likely bloat up and fall back to exactly where you were before you started, except your nuts will be smaller, your hairline will be slimmer and you’ll have a few zits to add to your collection.

    You and “Naturally Hard” should be pen pals.

    Maybe read a fucking stickie at least
    Awww come on, don't compare him to that dude. At least OP is polite
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Thanks dear
    I will follow you .. i feel better because you explain deeply ..english is not not my first language but your explanations fit in my mind. I don’t worry about injections. If injection, inject every day then i have no problem but it will safe. If test prop is good for me then i use it. But i dont know how to use test prop ...i know test enth and test cyp

    Test Enth 1-12 week 500mg/week (250mg after 3.5 days)
    Hcg - 500iu per week (250iu after 3.5 days)
    If feel gyno then use arimidex

    Start pct after 14 days from last injection of test
    Is it okey ?
    If you feel gyno you want to bind the receptors also, so you want tamoxifen on hand as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Awww come on, don't compare him to that dude. At least OP is polite
    You’re right. It was more from a “I’ll ask a question and then chose what I want to hear prospective”
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsuperman View Post
    Thanks dear
    I will follow you .. i feel better because you explain deeply ..english is not not my first language but your explanations fit in my mind. I don’t worry about injections. If injection, inject every day then i have no problem but it will safe. If test prop is good for me then i use it. But i dont know how to use test prop ...i know test enth and test cyp

    Test Enth 1-12 week 500mg/week (250mg after 3.5 days)
    Hcg - 500iu per week (250iu after 3.5 days)
    If feel gyno then use arimidex

    Start pct after 14 days from last injection of test
    Is it okey ?
    You are asking very basic questions. You need to do research. The type of questions you are asking show you don't understand steroids .
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    I don’t understand why we would give someone who obviously has taken minimal time to read and learn about steroids any advice at all. My best friend asked me to get him steroids and full protocols so that he doesn’t get acne with full instruction on how to take everything. I laughed and told him to get reading. Come back when you know some shit...
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    How long have you been consistently training to this point?

    What kind of lifting program have you been doing?


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