Can anyone tell me what these compounds are?

[Camaroguru]

https://www.houseofmuscle.com/build-...-strength.html

Any of the 4 of these.
What are they?
Are they on banned substance lists?
Are they a "workaround" prohormone?
Any sides with any of these?
And lastly, will they be effective in any way? I know not as effective as the real deal but I don't want to go there yet. Looking for something legal to purchase that would give me a little help building lean muscle on an older guy with great diet/training

Thank you for any info on them

[GearHeaded]

I can tell you they are expensive.

60$ for a one month supply of just the bare minimum dose . compare that to Winstrol or Dbol at 25$

[Getsomehate]

Or just freaking Test 35euros.
But dont forget to buy EstroEx™

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I can tell you they are expensive.

60$ for a one month supply of just the bare minimum dose . compare that to Winstrol or Dbol at 25$

whoa... where you getting your dbol ? I don’t think you’re taking enough dbol

[GearHeaded]

whoa... where you getting your dbol ? I don’t think you’re taking enough dbol

domestic UGL dbol - 1 bottle of 100 pills dosed at 25mg each is $45 per bottle . an effective dose is about $15 per month

a little bit more pricey Dbol from Turkey - 1 bottle of 100 pills dosed at 10mg each is $30 . an effective dose is about $25 per month


both options at those prices and doses are likely far more effective then whatever crap the OP is thinking of buying for 60$ a bottle

[i_SLAM_cougars]

domestic UGL dbol - 1 bottle of 100 pills dosed at 25mg each is $45 per bottle . an effective dose is about $15 per month

a little bit more pricey Dbol from Turkey - 1 bottle of 100 pills dosed at 10mg each is $30 . an effective dose is about $25 per month

Okay, your prices are on the level. As I suspected, you’re just not taking enough.

both options at those prices and doses are likely far more effective then whatever crap the OP is thinking of buying for 60$ a bottle

Thats fact. If you want to go that route you may as well support the site and click on the banner up top.

[HoldMyBeer]

Save your money. While they might be almost legit products, depending on your condition and need, they are likely not worth it. Most OTC test boosting supps are only effective in men that are suppressed to some degree already. The 'studies' backing up their claims are usually something like "we pumped these 75 year old men full of our supplement and they all had boners for days." Well, ok congrats, but most healthy men and / or those on HRT of one form of another won't benefit from it.

Anyhow, a lot of times, when you see long complex chemical names in the ingredients, its either a grey market product or a ruse for something else. For example, The EstroEX mentioned above consists of DIM, Chrysin (5.7 dihydroxyflavone), and Calcium D Glucurate. DIM is known for reducing E, and I think Dr John liked Calcium D Glucurate for Estrogen control. Not sure about Chrysin, but a casual search indicates it is found in honey. So... yeah, this particular product might work to shave a few points off of E2, but the proven elements are underdosed and overpriced. You can buy both DIM and Calcium DG online at a fraction of the cost.

In another case, Horny Goat Weed is one of the ingredients. An effective supp for some, though not a wonder pill by a long shot. Once again, likely overpriced and underdosed.

In short, like was mentioned above, these are a waste of money (when their ingredients are effective at all). If you really want to go OTC - and I have done this in the past - pay close attention to the the ingredient list and research the heck out of each active ingredient. Examine.com is your friend in this effort.

This
I hear about a metaanalysis that came to the conclusion they do not help at all and In some cases actually lowered total test

[djnuffsaid]

Do not waste your money and time with the products you posted. Why are you against running AAS if I may ask?

[Camaroguru]

Do not waste your money and time with the products you posted. Why are you against running AAS if I may ask?

Thank you all for your feedback.

A few reasons I don't want to do it yet....yet
1. I compete in a tested, natural organization and A=don't want get caught but B=Honestly don't want to cheat. I like that they do their best to keep a level playing field for all competitors, me included, so I can't break that trust.

2. I read of so many issues with it on here and I don't have the time or resources to monitor everything and don't know what to do if I did run into an issue. I don't know how/where to get bloodwork done etc... and don't want to wing it.

That being said, I read up on Dbol and that does intrigue me a little for when I stop competing; which may be next year.
May I ask a few questions about that?
---how stable is a mild cycle of that (would be my first ever) Meaning, what are the chances of anything going wrong or is it a pretty predicted thing?
---I don't want to pin or do test so this oral option seems good for me
---Sides?

I'm 50 yrs old
great diet
train very hard
160 lbs...5-6% show; 10-12% on bulk

[kbunyan]

You should see all the fan boys of game changing legal steroids on Facebook ads. Stack of Testomax, Trengobong, clendomax etc for $225/month. And they swear they got jacked up in 6 weeks.

I am starting to doubt my supply isn't good enough