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So I have a buddy who wants to run gear for the first time. He has a relatively small budget for the cycle including PCT and his goal is to bulk big.
I was going to have him run Testosterone Cypionate (or Sust) @ 500mg/wk and Nandrolone Decanoate @ 500mg/wk for 15 weeks. Would it be better to use EQ instead of Deca? Keep in mind this needs to be a two compound cycle due to budget.
Thanks
I wouldn’t start someone out on that. You have no idea if he’s sensitive to estrogen (which deca is going to make him more sensitive to) or prolactin. Now if he could afford to run masteron with it, maybe, but it doesn’t sound like that’s in the budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
Why not just replace the deca with some dbol? It’s cheap, and they’re both going to produce the same side effects, to which the fix is the same.
or if it’s in the budget, something like anavar, DHB, or primo, to which there are basically never any side effects?
Just something to chew on
1st cycle and small budget
2 good reasons to start with a test only cycle
I have a good suggestion:
Have him join the forum and educate himself so he can make his own, informed, decision.
I agree w cougars though, test and dbol, cheap and easy.
I would not suggest EQ, you don't want to risk dealing w having to donating blood on first cycle.
Tell him to join the forums. This isn't a telephone game to relay messages to someone babysitting someone else. That's how people fuck up and get hurt.
If he's on a tight budget then he shouldn't be cycling at all.
What happens if he gets scammed ?
What happens if he drops a vial of test and can't afford more?
What if his TDEE goes way up and he can't afford enough food to grow ?
What if he is unlucky ends up on HRT?
Never spend what you can't afford to lose.
why does his first cycle NEED to be 2 compounds?
spot on windex.
in addition, something will come up that needs to be addressed, is he going to wait for you to come here and ask then get back to him?
test only first cycle pending his age and stats.....yes im old school
well 'test only' cycles are actually a bit more 'new school' then old school and have gotten a lot more popular and trendy over the last decade or so .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman33
back in the 'old school' days , guys quite often would run Dbol only, Deca only, Primo only, first cycles and not even mess with Test at all or not tell later on.. Arnold was known for never touching Test , and running just Dbol and Primo . lots of old school guys never bothered with test only cycles , thats a more new school trend really
OP , if he's on a budget and wants to run 2 compounds . then I'd suggest
300mg test a week, 50mg Winny day (very clean side effect free first cycle and both compounds are super cheap)
or, if he wants to 'blow up' then run Dbol in place of the Winny (but expect more negative side effects)
stop being so smart Gearheaded.lol
decade or 2 is old enough for mys ass.
lol .. yeah I know what you meant and were trying to get across. just thought I'd throw out some really old school shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman33
I think you kind of missed the point here. I didn't outright say it but I guess I will now. He's not interested in plunging into the whole education section yet, just wants to run a cycle and see how it feels. He has commissioned and paid me to provide the layout of the cycle for him and the gear. It's not that he can't afford more than say 500 for the cycle, it's that he does not want to spend more than that. I did explain it wrong though - this will be his first that's NOT TEST ONLY. He has already completed 1 test only cycle. Personally I think you guys are freaking out way more than you need to be. I'm not suggesting him to run several grams of test a week or an advance cycle rotating compounds. This is pretty much as basic as it gets, was just asking for a suggestion of a single compound that would run great with the test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windex
Sounds like dbol is my answer. How much dbol for how long?
Dbol taper method
weeks 1-4
50mg
weeks 5-7
30mg
weeks 8-9
20mg
Perfect thank you! GH, I responded to your PCT question on the other post.Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Is there a specific time to take dbol every day?
ok I'll check that thread..Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
split Dbol dosage , one dose in the morning and a second dose late afternoon (or pre workout).
once you get to the 20mg dosing, you can just stick with that single dose pre workout
I'm assuming you meant "taper it like you suggested with the 'dbol' ".. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cylon357
yes you can run Var in place of winstrol (I recommended Winny instead of var based only on this being a "budget" cycle question) and yes Winstrol and var can be ran together , I actually do this quite often with female clients . they both serve very similar purposes in regards to anabolism, but also have different aspects , like Var being a great performance enhancer because of its ability to greatly upregualte creatine phosphate, and Winstrol having the unique ability to directly suppress Cortisol . so you can get both by running them both..
as for 'tapering' .. there is no need to taper either Var or Winny . just run a straight dose the duration of your choice..
the reason for tapering Dbol is to acclimate to the water retention gains (there are no retentive gains from var or winny)
You missed the point - when people don't know how to think for themselves then they blame you when they aren't successful - rather than their mickey mouse diet or shit training routine or lack or sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
It also means if something goes sideways they are going to always rely on you. What happens if you go on vacation and he crashes his e2 because he had a one second inch on his chest and panicked thinking it was gyno.
Your entire first point is the EXACT reason why B level athletes switch coaches/trainers more than their underwear.
If you want to babysit him go right ahead - just make sure you add it to your resume.
given your post history and questions asked - your in no position to be coaching someone else nor accepting responsibility for their health.
If you actually care about your friend and his well-being, if he's too lazy to learn for himself then tell him to pay for a real coach.
Sorry that you can't handle brutal honesty. It's a lot harder to swallow than Dbol.
I like splitting the dose. First thing in the morning, and then about an hour before training.Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
Ona good diet training hard I cant see results for first bulk getting much better than 750mg test wk, especially sustanon.
I have never been a fan of orals bang for buck but dbol is my favorite oral.
I don't get the issues many do from it. None at all really.
He is a complete idiot then, and you are doing him a disservice not trying to pursuad him to educate himself. But hey, you're getting paid, so why would you do that?Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
Btw, is this "tight budget" because he is giving you a set amount of money and you want to maximize your profits?
Didn't you say this is a friend? Why are you even trying to make money off him? Why are you letting your friend blindly fuck w his hormones without any knowledge on the subject? Maybe you exaggerated the term "friend" and he is more of a casual acquaintance?
This is true. I just can’t wrap my head around the whole “Test only” first cycle shit. Test is probably like 5th harshest compound there is (not counting exotics).Quote:
Originally Posted by Obs
the good information starts at about the 3:20 min markQuote:
Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars
”If your balls dissapear you have bad HCG and you will lose more than 60% of your gains”Quote:
Originally Posted by GearHeaded
Yeah man.... SOME People answer like GearHeaded with good valid advice.... others answer like some of the others above telling you not to do it and list all the reasons why rather than give the help you need because your friend is going to do it no matter what but for some reason certain members - even moderators here like to avoid helping unless it's helping with THEIR PROTOCOL ONLY... I think test // dbol is awesome tell him to do it! Don't tell him to NOT do it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
i like turtles
Makes no sense how is this a thread for a first cycle if he has already done a test first cycle ?Quote:
Originally Posted by djnuffsaid
And he doesn't want to be educated ?
Then why the fuck is he messing with gear?
To not want to be educated or fully understand what he uses and why is retarded in my opinion.
I may come off harsh but this isn't just taking vitamins.
And if hes paying you to help, then you should be doing a better job at helping him.
Coming here and asking when you could be doing research and having a full understanding would be a helpful method in helping your friend that is paying you lol.
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all I run is test only blast and cruise with an occasional oral and that's me in my avy so for the record some people thrive off just test...just saying...